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| Trump's temporary immigration ban; I may have had my opinion changed. | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Feb 3 2017, 12:11 PM (987 Views) | |
| Demagogue | Feb 3 2017, 12:11 PM Post #1 |
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So, all along through this immigration ban discussion I have held the position that I was OK with the decision because it was temporary and because the primary reason for it was to put in place new guidelines for who we are going to allow into our nation from these countries. I have numerous times stated that the one country that I thought the ban was problematic with was Iraq because we have so many people over there working and because it is one of the battlefronts on the fight to defeat and eliminate ISIS. The nation of Iraq in my opinion has worked with us in this fight so I thought putting them in the same basket as Syria was harsh even though I did mention that a large portion of the country was actually in the hands of ISIS and therefor someone coming from there would easily be an enemy of ours. Regardless though, I had reservations on that nation being part of the ban. Additionally, I have stated that I thought anyone who was actively traveling on a valid visa at the time of Trump signing the order should have been allowed to enter the country. Well, earlier today I ran into the commentary of an individual who is currently working in Iraq. I don't know this fellow but I have a family member who is also in that nation with him and it was via this connection that I ran into his commentary on this issue and frankly, it made me rethink some things. Much of our arguing over this thing here on P.com and out in the rest of the nation is based upon other political disagreements. Certainly there are some folks genuinely effected by this policy change and those folks are upset for understandable reasons but most of us here in this country who are debating this are really doing it from a theoretical standpoint because it does not directly and personally hit us. The individual whose commentary I read is named Steve Gern, as I said, I do not know him or anything about him but he made a what I though was a valid and salient point. I won't link directly to the written commentary I saw but I found a video I am willing to share since it does not in any way link back those I know where I saw this expressed. I ask all of you on both sides of this to watch this and then consider the positions you hold. It is just 3 minutes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzyLoW9LSTo |
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| Harambe4Trump | Feb 3 2017, 12:16 PM Post #2 |
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America has no business in Iraq. It's time to cut our ties to the Middle East and walk away. |
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Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary. #MAGA #wallsnotwars | |
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| Demagogue | Feb 3 2017, 12:18 PM Post #3 |
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As I said, prior to reading his commentary and then having my own conversations with other guys deployed over there I may change my opinion. At this point, I am not sure how temporary I want this ban to be. The order is for 90 days but after that, I think that maybe our visa requirements for people from these nations need to be ridiculously difficult to achieve. |
| People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to visit violence on those who would do them harm. | |
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| Harambe4Trump | Feb 3 2017, 12:20 PM Post #4 |
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Americans should walk away and no longer be deployed to the Middle East. |
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Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary. #MAGA #wallsnotwars | |
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| Demagogue | Feb 3 2017, 12:24 PM Post #5 |
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I am not 100% against this in concept. We do need to keep working to guarantee that our oil production levels make us independent from the need to import oil from the region and then we could indeed consider pulling back. Of course part of that oil independence is going to be bringing online alternatives to oil or lessening our overall usage of oil products in order to maintain our independence as oil based fuels are phased out over the next 150 years. The bottom line as far as immigration of people from some of these nations goes is that if you are trying to come to the USA from a nation where an American can not safely walk in the streets without the definite threat of them being kidnapped and tortured by average citizens of your nation then your nation probably should not be allowed visas in the normal manner that other civilized nations are. |
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| Tsalagi | Feb 3 2017, 12:24 PM Post #6 |
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You want to withdraw military presence is fine but are you suggesting total disengagement in that region? |
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| Harambe4Trump | Feb 3 2017, 12:25 PM Post #7 |
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Absolutely. |
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Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary. #MAGA #wallsnotwars | |
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| Harambe4Trump | Feb 3 2017, 12:31 PM Post #8 |
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That strategy has proven effective in Japan |
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Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary. #MAGA #wallsnotwars | |
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| Demagogue | Feb 3 2017, 12:34 PM Post #9 |
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Japan is not even remotely oil independent. Our policies will never mirror their policies. You should really consider going there and staying for a few years though. |
| People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to visit violence on those who would do them harm. | |
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| Harambe4Trump | Feb 3 2017, 12:34 PM Post #10 |
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Been there, done that. |
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Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary. #MAGA #wallsnotwars | |
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| Demagogue | Feb 3 2017, 12:38 PM Post #11 |
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I thought you only visited for a little while, not years. |
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| Tsalagi | Feb 3 2017, 12:41 PM Post #12 |
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So you would absolve us of any influence and allow the Chinese or the Russians (after Syria, I'd opt for the Chinese but who knows) to just walk right in and set up shop? Just like they did during the Cold War? |
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| Harambe4Trump | Feb 3 2017, 12:43 PM Post #13 |
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Yes. |
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Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary. #MAGA #wallsnotwars | |
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| Harambe4Trump | Feb 3 2017, 12:43 PM Post #14 |
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I'm sorry, I vacationed there for two weeks. |
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Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary. #MAGA #wallsnotwars | |
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| Demagogue | Feb 3 2017, 12:46 PM Post #15 |
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Vacationing in a place is vastly different from living there. Heck, I even enjoyed California when vacationing there but there is not a snowballs chance in hell of me wanting to live there lol. |
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| CautionaryTales | Feb 3 2017, 12:48 PM Post #16 |
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You should try living in Disneyworld for two weeks. Then you could spend all your time trying to convince everyone that converting the USA into a Disney park was the bestest idea everrrr...
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Have you paid your internet taxes? | |
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| Harambe4Trump | Feb 3 2017, 12:48 PM Post #17 |
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California has been reconquered by Mexico without firing a shot. |
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Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary. #MAGA #wallsnotwars | |
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| Harambe4Trump | Feb 3 2017, 12:51 PM Post #18 |
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No need to be snarky; Trump is moving quickly at his Meiji Restoration. He has already invited Abe Shinzo to construct Shensaken throughout the land. I hear the Sushi bars aboard will be fabulous. |
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Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary. #MAGA #wallsnotwars | |
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| Demagogue | Feb 3 2017, 12:52 PM Post #19 |
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Nah, it is not that bad yet. SoCal can seem that way at times but NoCal (which might as well be on a different planet compared to LA and San Diego) is a wonderful part of the country. You can get really good Mexican food in Cali too. It is kind of like actually going to Mexico except there is a much lower chance of getting kidnapped. |
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| Attaburnsinhell | Feb 3 2017, 01:50 PM Post #20 |
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OK, so how many of the thousands of Iraqi immigrants and visa holders who have come to the US have actually attacked any Americans or beheaded them? I'll give you the answer - NONE That steroid pumped redneck dirtbag on that video probably just hates arabs and calls them sandxxxxs and made up that story about ''talking to the locals'' Dont be so gullible |
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