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Trump's temporary immigration ban; I may have had my opinion changed.
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As I said, prior to reading his commentary and then having my own conversations with other guys deployed over there I may change my opinion. At this point, I am not sure how temporary I want this ban to be. The order is for 90 days but after that, I think that maybe our visa requirements for people from these nations need to be ridiculously difficult to achieve.
OK, so how many of the thousands of Iraqi immigrants and visa holders who have come to the US have actually attacked any Americans or beheaded them? I'll give you the answer - NONE That steroid pumped redneck dirtbag on that video probably just hates arabs and calls them sandxxxxs and made up that story about ''talking to the locals'' Dont be so gullible Well, since I actually have family over there who confirmed his statement I am going to guess what he said has some truth to it. Outside of protected zones, you can not safely walk around in that country if you are not a local. That is not only true of Iraq and it is not only true of the countries on the ban list.
My point is, if a country is a place where a non-local can not safely walk around during daylight hours then why would you want to allow people from that country to come here under an expedited visa program? I would think that you would want to be very, very sure of any you let through and overall you would want to severely limit the numbers you allowed to come here at all.
There are tons of countries where people who are not from there can safely walk around. Those are the only places that should be permitted on expedited visa program.
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Feb 3 2017, 02:03 PM
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America has no business in Iraq. It's time to cut our ties to the Middle East and walk away.
I am not 100% against this in concept. We do need to keep working to guarantee that our oil production levels make us independent from the need to import oil from the region and then we could indeed consider pulling back. Of course part of that oil independence is going to be bringing online alternatives to oil or lessening our overall usage of oil products in order to maintain our independence as oil based fuels are phased out over the next 150 years. The bottom line as far as immigration of people from some of these nations goes is that if you are trying to come to the USA from a nation where an American can not safely walk in the streets without the definite threat of them being kidnapped and tortured by average citizens of your nation then your nation probably should not be allowed visas in the normal manner that other civilized nations are.
That strategy has proven effective in Japan Can we get rid of your idiotic Japan theory?
Japan is a mono-racial nation. Everyone in Japan, except for a handful of Koreans, is Japanese
America is, and always has been, a multi-racial, multi-ethnic, multi-belief nation with no core race, excluding first nations people likeTsalagi
The only way one could make America like Japan, would be to ethnicly cleanse the land of everyone except first nations people.
That includes YOU and your type
But of course, your theory is to ethnically cleanse America of everyone except you and your type
Sorry, you aint that special, and it aint never gonna happen
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Feb 3 2017, 02:03 PM
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As I said, prior to reading his commentary and then having my own conversations with other guys deployed over there I may change my opinion. At this point, I am not sure how temporary I want this ban to be. The order is for 90 days but after that, I think that maybe our visa requirements for people from these nations need to be ridiculously difficult to achieve. It was my understanding that the 90 day ban was to use that time to come up with more concrete policies and vetting process.
No reason it couldn't be extended or made permanent if that is what the feedback while crafting policy dictates...
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Feb 3 2017, 02:06 PM
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America has no business in Iraq. It's time to cut our ties to the Middle East and walk away.
I am not 100% against this in concept. We do need to keep working to guarantee that our oil production levels make us independent from the need to import oil from the region and then we could indeed consider pulling back. Of course part of that oil independence is going to be bringing online alternatives to oil or lessening our overall usage of oil products in order to maintain our independence as oil based fuels are phased out over the next 150 years. The bottom line as far as immigration of people from some of these nations goes is that if you are trying to come to the USA from a nation where an American can not safely walk in the streets without the definite threat of them being kidnapped and tortured by average citizens of your nation then your nation probably should not be allowed visas in the normal manner that other civilized nations are.
That strategy has proven effective in Japan
Can we get rid of your idiotic Japan theory? Japan is a mono-racial nation. Everyone in Japan, except for a handful of Koreans, is Japanese America is, and always has been, a multi-racial, multi-ethnic, multi-belief nation with no core race, excluding first nations people likeTsalagi The only way one could make America like Japan, would be to ethnicly cleanse the land of everyone except first nations people. That includes YOU and your type But of course, your theory is to ethnically cleanse America of everyone except you and your type Sorry, you aint that special, and it aint never gonna happen In 1868, Japan decided to become more like America. That worked out well for them, in fact they have surpassed America.
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As I said, prior to reading his commentary and then having my own conversations with other guys deployed over there I may change my opinion. At this point, I am not sure how temporary I want this ban to be. The order is for 90 days but after that, I think that maybe our visa requirements for people from these nations need to be ridiculously difficult to achieve.
OK, so how many of the thousands of Iraqi immigrants and visa holders who have come to the US have actually attacked any Americans or beheaded them? I'll give you the answer - NONE That steroid pumped redneck dirtbag on that video probably just hates arabs and calls them sandxxxxs and made up that story about ''talking to the locals'' Dont be so gullible
Well, since I actually have family over there who confirmed his statement I am going to guess what he said has some truth to it. Outside of protected zones, you can not safely walk around in that country if you are not a local. That is not only true of Iraq and it is not only true of the countries on the ban list. My point is, if a country is a place where a non-local can not safely walk around during daylight hours then why would you want to allow people from that country to come here under an expedited visa program? I would think that you would want to be very, very sure of any you let through and overall you would want to severely limit the numbers you allowed to come here at all. There are tons of countries where people who are not from there can safely walk around. Those are the only places that should be permitted on expedited visa program. Iraq is a warzone, caused by us, the US. We raped that country and ripped it's society to pieces
Yet, there are those who still want to go to America, to get away from there.
Your way of thinking is basic prejudice, like the belief that all black people are hostile to whites, that they cant be trusted, therefore should be kept on their side of the tracks
The vetting process to get here as a refugee is pretty stringent, and as far as tourists and visitors go, not a problem
Stop being afraid of your own shadow, you stand a better chance of dying being shot by a homegrown toddler
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Feb 3 2017, 02:11 PM
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America has no business in Iraq. It's time to cut our ties to the Middle East and walk away.
I am not 100% against this in concept. We do need to keep working to guarantee that our oil production levels make us independent from the need to import oil from the region and then we could indeed consider pulling back. Of course part of that oil independence is going to be bringing online alternatives to oil or lessening our overall usage of oil products in order to maintain our independence as oil based fuels are phased out over the next 150 years. The bottom line as far as immigration of people from some of these nations goes is that if you are trying to come to the USA from a nation where an American can not safely walk in the streets without the definite threat of them being kidnapped and tortured by average citizens of your nation then your nation probably should not be allowed visas in the normal manner that other civilized nations are.
That strategy has proven effective in Japan
Can we get rid of your idiotic Japan theory? Japan is a mono-racial nation. Everyone in Japan, except for a handful of Koreans, is Japanese America is, and always has been, a multi-racial, multi-ethnic, multi-belief nation with no core race, excluding first nations people likeTsalagi The only way one could make America like Japan, would be to ethnicly cleanse the land of everyone except first nations people. That includes YOU and your type But of course, your theory is to ethnically cleanse America of everyone except you and your type Sorry, you aint that special, and it aint never gonna happen Actually, the Japanese are immigrants to their islands. Some of them get very pissed off when you mention this to them. The majority of the people of Japan are genetically related to people who migrated from Korea around 300BC. Prior to this there was an aboriginal people who inhabited the Islands for close to 30,000 years.
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I thought you only visited for a little while, not years.
I'm sorry, I vacationed there for two weeks.
You should try living in Disneyworld for two weeks. Then you could spend all your time trying to convince everyone that converting the USA into a Disney park was the bestest idea everrrr...
No need to be snarky; Trump is moving quickly at his Meiji Restoration. He has already invited Abe Shinzo to construct Shensaken throughout the land. I hear the Sushi bars aboard will be fabulous. Disney works way faster. They are tremendous in Disney. Wait Disney does a great job there. Did you know that Donald Trump was considered to be the head Mouseketeer? He would have been a fantastic Mouseketeer leader.
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As I said, prior to reading his commentary and then having my own conversations with other guys deployed over there I may change my opinion. At this point, I am not sure how temporary I want this ban to be. The order is for 90 days but after that, I think that maybe our visa requirements for people from these nations need to be ridiculously difficult to achieve.
OK, so how many of the thousands of Iraqi immigrants and visa holders who have come to the US have actually attacked any Americans or beheaded them? I'll give you the answer - NONE That steroid pumped redneck dirtbag on that video probably just hates arabs and calls them sandxxxxs and made up that story about ''talking to the locals'' Dont be so gullible
Well, since I actually have family over there who confirmed his statement I am going to guess what he said has some truth to it. Outside of protected zones, you can not safely walk around in that country if you are not a local. That is not only true of Iraq and it is not only true of the countries on the ban list. My point is, if a country is a place where a non-local can not safely walk around during daylight hours then why would you want to allow people from that country to come here under an expedited visa program? I would think that you would want to be very, very sure of any you let through and overall you would want to severely limit the numbers you allowed to come here at all. There are tons of countries where people who are not from there can safely walk around. Those are the only places that should be permitted on expedited visa program.
Iraq is a warzone, caused by us, the US. We raped that country and ripped it's society to pieces Yet, there are those who still want to go to America, to get away from there. Your way of thinking is basic prejudice, like the belief that all black people are hostile to whites, that they cant be trusted, therefore should be kept on their side of the tracks The vetting process to get here as a refugee is pretty stringent, and as far as tourists and visitors go, not a problem Stop being afraid of your own shadow, you stand a better chance of dying being shot by a homegrown toddler Lol, you are funny. I made a point of saying that I was not just talking about Iraq. Any number of countries around the world are places where a non-local can not safely walk the streets. I am suggesting that no country where this is the situation in most of their large cities should be a country where we allow expedited visas or a simplified green card process.
Hell, from the perspective of Switzerland, Detroit and Chicago are probably places where a non-local can not walk the streets. I would not blame them if they made it very difficult for Americans to get a visa to live in their country. Wait, never mind, it is damned near impossible for a US citizen to immigrate to Switzerland. I guess they already tightened up their rules...
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Current vetting process, it's not so easy
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/01/29/us/refugee-vetting-process.html?_r=0
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If you add must speak english and a couple other requirements to that list it might be OK.
They should also be requires to sign an affidavit saying that they agree with the below and if at any point they disagree with the sentiments expressed below then they are subject to deportation.
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“In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.”
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Japan's vetting process is far more secure. Korea has a similar arduous vetting process.
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Japan's vetting process is far more secure. Korea has a similar arduous vetting process. Disney World is better than Japan.
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Japan's vetting process is far more secure. Korea has a similar arduous vetting process.
Disney World is better than Japan. That might explain all the Japanese people I see there anytime I work in Orlando. In fact, they like it so much they had Disney build one in Japan for them but they still come to Orlando...
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Long ago I suggested that we fly terrorists up from GITMO and then interrogate them by putting them on "It's a small world" on a continuous loop until they crack. I was told by my superiors that it would be considered torture...
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If you add must speak english and a couple other requirements to that list it might be OK. They should also be requires to sign an affidavit saying that they agree with the below and if at any point they disagree with the sentiments expressed below then they are subject to deportation. - Quote:
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“In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.”
― Theodore Roosevelt
Most of the people that come here integrate themselves into the society in some fashion We have a varied society. There are a lot parts that are different than some others. Go to Appalachia or the Eastern Shore of Maryland, the islands in particular and you'll find lots of people that are different. They have been here for hundreds of years in some cases.
That's the way this country was built. It wasn't built as an English only zone. English wasn't the first language in a great deal of this country.
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Long ago I suggested that we fly terrorists up from GITMO and then interrogate them but putting them on "It's a small world" on a continuous loop until they crack. I was told by my superiors that it would be considered torture... Two weeks vacation in Disney will give you full appreciation of the magic of Disney World. It will turn people into Disney Boys (I think that's what they call em)
They are pretty revved up about turning the USA into a giant theme park. That's all it takes. Two weeks.
Maybe those gitmo prisoners could be retrained as Disney Boys? Two weeks should be enough time.
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If you add must speak english and a couple other requirements to that list it might be OK. They should also be requires to sign an affidavit saying that they agree with the below and if at any point they disagree with the sentiments expressed below then they are subject to deportation. - Quote:
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“In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.”
― Theodore Roosevelt
Most of the people that come here integrate themselves into the society in some fashion We have a varied society. There are a lot parts that are different than some others. Go to Appalachia or the Eastern Shore of Maryland, the islands in particular and you'll find lots of people that are different. They have been here for hundreds of years in some cases. That's the way this country was built. It wasn't built as an English only zone. English wasn't the first language in a great deal of this country. Operationally, English is the language of this country in the same way that German is the language of Switzerland. If you want to come here and have a job and live, then you need to learn English and I think it should be a prerequisite.
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Japan's vetting process is far more secure. Korea has a similar arduous vetting process.
Disney World is better than Japan. There's one in Japan, the very best in fact.
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If you add must speak english and a couple other requirements to that list it might be OK. They should also be requires to sign an affidavit saying that they agree with the below and if at any point they disagree with the sentiments expressed below then they are subject to deportation. - Quote:
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“In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.”
― Theodore Roosevelt
Most of the people that come here integrate themselves into the society in some fashion We have a varied society. There are a lot parts that are different than some others. Go to Appalachia or the Eastern Shore of Maryland, the islands in particular and you'll find lots of people that are different. They have been here for hundreds of years in some cases. That's the way this country was built. It wasn't built as an English only zone. English wasn't the first language in a great deal of this country.
Operationally, English is the language of this country in the same way that German is the language of Switzerland. If you want to come here and have a job and live, then you need to learn English and I think it should be a prerequisite. That's true enough and those that don't learn English suffer in being a part of the society. Most do learn some English though and their children for the most part end up with a good understanding of English.
It should not be a deal breaker. I had a neighbor that was from Poland when I lived in Philly. He was an old guy that survived the holocaust. His English was atrocious but he was also the nicest guy I ever met living there.
He was long retired and was a wood carver. He didn't need English to produce some very stunning museum quality art. In his garage.
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Japan's vetting process is far more secure. Korea has a similar arduous vetting process.
Disney World is better than Japan.
There's one in Japan, the very best in fact. Did you stay there for your two week steeping in all of the intricacies of Japanese culture?
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