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Millions of Tesla battery cells are powering thousands of LA homes
Topic Started: Feb 7 2017, 06:40 PM (406 Views)
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http://www.theverge.com/2017/2/6/14523196/tesla-battery-powerpack-los-angeles-electricity

An enormous Tesla-installed power storage facility is up and running at Southern California Edison’s Mira Loma substation in Ontario, California. The facility, announced last fall, holds enough energy to power 15,000 homes for four hours — 80 megawatt hours of electricity with a peak output of 20 megawatts.

It’s designed to reduce the need for “peaker plants” — electricity generation facilities that run when electricity demands are particularly high, such as on a hot afternoon when air conditioners are running full tilt. They’re expensive to install and maintain, especially when in some areas they might only be used for a few hours a day — or even a year.
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Pretty cool stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gr7lYO1NFjI
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"They’re expensive to install and maintain, especially when in some areas they might only be used for a few hours a day — or even a year."

Great idea but what about costs? Who's paying for this? The good news is the technology will evolve. Let the private sector run with it.
Edited by PATruth, Feb 7 2017, 06:45 PM.
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Feb 7 2017, 06:45 PM
"They’re expensive to install and maintain, especially when in some areas they might only be used for a few hours a day — or even a year."

Great idea but what about costs? Who's paying for this? The good news is the technology will evolve. Let the private sector run with it.
Southern Cal Edison.

They are a for profit company. They are using this as a peaker. Tesla fast tracked this one because of a problem SCE had in a natural gas storage facility evidently.

Natural gas turbines would be how they normally power peak demand.

To be honest, the real potential for these is to provide standby power in case of an outage for certain facility types without the need for fuel storage. Of course they become really attractive if your facility has a lot of land where you can use solar to charge them.

We are discussing using something like this for power backup at an airport. They are essentially a giant UPS if you want to over simplify it.

Cost wise, if you want to charge them with solar it is about double what a utility can produce power at a plant for here in Florida. It really makes way more sense in places that are remote because in those instances it can actually be cheaper than trucking in fuel.
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This is a game changer.

SCE is doing some neat stuff, and will completely revamp their entire distribution system over the next 20 years.

It doesn't make sense to generate large percentages of energy from "intermittent" sources like solar and wind, unless you have energy storage. Without storage, you have to idle peak load generation in case the sun goes behind a cloud, or there's a break in the wind. That runs up the capitol cost, because you're paying for capacity you may only use for a few hours a day during the summer.
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Feb 7 2017, 06:52 PM
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Feb 7 2017, 06:45 PM
"They’re expensive to install and maintain, especially when in some areas they might only be used for a few hours a day — or even a year."

Great idea but what about costs? Who's paying for this? The good news is the technology will evolve. Let the private sector run with it.
Southern Cal Edison.

They are a for profit company. They are using this as a peaker. Tesla fast tracked this one because of a problem SCE had in a natural gas storage facility evidently.

Natural gas turbines would be how they normally power peak demand.

To be honest, the real potential for these is to provide standby power in case of an outage for certain facility types without the need for fuel storage. Of course they become really attractive if your facility has a lot of land where you can use solar to charge them.

We are discussing using something like this for power backup at an airport. They are essentially a giant UPS if you want to over simplify it.

Cost wise, if you want to charge them with solar it is about double what a utility can produce power at a plant for here in Florida. It really makes way more sense in places that are remote because in those instances it can actually be cheaper than trucking in fuel.
They are a for profit company but a regulated utility which means they can pass the costs along. I personally love this type of technology but it still comes down to costs. People also forget to count the carbon footprint required to build, maintain and dispose of these battery cells. Like any technology you have to start somewhere, we wouldn't be driving Corvettes if we didn't first suffer through the Model T's.
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Wall Street was pretty negative about the Tesla/Solar City merger, but Tesla stock has gone up about 40% since it happened last November.
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Feb 9 2017, 12:42 PM
Wall Street was pretty negative about the Tesla/Solar City merger, but Tesla stock has gone up about 40% since it happened last November.
Tesla better deliver (in bulk) on their Model 3 in a few months or the stock will tank.
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Feb 9 2017, 12:44 PM
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Feb 9 2017, 12:42 PM
Wall Street was pretty negative about the Tesla/Solar City merger, but Tesla stock has gone up about 40% since it happened last November.
Tesla better deliver (in bulk) on their Model 3 in a few months or the stock will tank.
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Millions of battery cells powering thousands of homes?

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Feb 9 2017, 02:35 PM
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Feb 9 2017, 12:44 PM
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Feb 9 2017, 12:42 PM
Wall Street was pretty negative about the Tesla/Solar City merger, but Tesla stock has gone up about 40% since it happened last November.
Tesla better deliver (in bulk) on their Model 3 in a few months or the stock will tank.
Tesla is a gov't propped up entity....no nanny dollars no Tesla....

Millions of battery cells powering thousands of homes?

The individual battery cells are small. Like a D-cell battery. Lots of them are strung together to make the bigger packs.

This part of Tesla does not get subsidies that I am aware of. I am all for killing the solar subsidies and making them stand on their own. The thing is, the folks dropping $100k on a Tesla car don't need a couple grand in incentives to get them to buy the car. They can buy whatever they damned well please. Due to that fact I don't know that we can call the car side of Tesla a business propped up by the government.
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Dunno :dunno:

Elon Musk's growing empire is fueled by $4.9 billion in government subsidies

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-musk-subsidies-20150531-story.html
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Feb 9 2017, 09:08 PM
Dunno :dunno:

Elon Musk's growing empire is fueled by $4.9 billion in government subsidies

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-musk-subsidies-20150531-story.html


Trump has thrived with government's generosity

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/may/11/nation/la-na-trump-20110511
Ever notice the only 2 people Trump refuses to speak ill of are Stormy Daniels and Vladimir Putin?
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