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How to reason with a Trump voter; Over the next four years, liberals should try to appeal to the majority of Trump voters through reason and decency
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http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/07/opinions/reasoning-with-trump-voters-mallicote/index.html

We are too quick to vilify those on the opposite side of the political aisle. I am firmly opposed to Donald Trump, but because of where I live, I know a lot of good and decent people who voted for him. If I feel the urge to disparage Trump supporters as a group, I have to reconcile that urge with what I know about the Trump voters with whom I work, eat and pray.
It was an interesting article but the guy's entire outlook is based on an invalid starting point. His final conclusion is that Trump voters got conned. Some of them may have but to be honest, the hard right folks were the one's who got conned here.

I did not vote for Trump in the primary. I did vote for Trump in the Presidential election and I did so for one simple reason. Hillary Clinton was the candidate for the DNC. Had the DNC put Sanders on their ticket (or really any number of other people who were not Clinton) then I probably would have voted for Johnson in the presidential election. I am not alone in voting this way.

The suggestion that vast numbers of people were conned by Trump's campaigning is just silly and condescending. It shows that the author of this article started from a position of believing that he was significantly smarter and knew significantly more than the people he was addressing. Most of he people I know who voted for Trump begrudgingly voted against Clinton not for Trump. I said before the election and my feeling on this stands to this day, there is a deep seeded loathing that borders on hatred for Hillary Clinton across this country. It has nothing to do with the fact she is a woman. It has nothing to do with the fact that she had a private server. People just don't like the woman. A significant number of them.
Calling bs on you

If you didnt like Hillary you could have voted for Johnson or simply took a pass

But you chose to vote for a racist sex offender, that speaks volumes about your character

Now the country is headed for chaos and fascism. That's on you

I considered Clinton to be the bigger threat. I do not think that Trump can simply get his policies rubber stamped and I think had Clinton won she would have done better against a hostile congress than Trump will do even with "his side" controlling both the House and the Senate.

To be brutally honest though, I expected the democrats to do better in the election than they did. With the Senate map we had I did not expect the Republicans to get a 52-48 majority in that house. Then I expected Clinton to do here thing and maintain the status quo for a couple years and then gain some seats in 2018 at which point she could really implement her agenda.

Atta, the portions of Trump's "platform" that you rail on and on about are never going to happen. Sure, he may build a wall and round up some illegal aliens but damn it, those people would be getting rounded up if we just enforced the existing laws.

Most of the other stuff you worry about is nothing but fringe leftist nonsense that won't happen, actually can't happen without constitutional change.
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Try reasoning with a Trump voter by convincing them they should have voted for the most corrupt, lying political whore in American history that happened to fix the democrat primary while she was under multiple FBI investigations. Do I need to go into the millions of dollars she accepted from the Russians and other rogue nations while running the State Department from her private unsecured server that she knew was hacked on multiple occasions? Remember she did NOT send classified emails from her private server.

There is no reasoning with the left, they a 110% f ing crazed and suicidal over their corrupt queen's epic loss at the hands of working men and women, especially in blue states like PA and OH.

For my part all I can say is enjoy the next four years. Trump has both Houses and he has a pen. Payback is going to feel like a prison love scene.
Actually, in a rational world "none of the above" or "mickey mouse" would have won the election, hands down.

Just because Hillary as a bad choice doesn't make Trump a good choice.
After Nixon American's wanted honesty, we got the weak albeit honest Jimma Carter. After Obama, American's wanted a competent manager that would put American's, not Syrians or illegals first. The dems gave us Hillary. the most corrupt candidate in American history as their candidate. The democrats paved the way for Trump. I didn't vote for him in the primaries but I had no choice in the general election. The dems own this one.
I hate to break it to you, but Trump is the most corrupt candidate in our lifetimes.

Just because Hillary was bad, doesn't make Trump good. In fact, a very reasonable argument can be made that Trump is worse.

Picking the greater of two evils isn't anything to brag about.
Compared to the three decade long Clinton crime spree the Don should be referred to as Saint Donald.

Hillary is a classic psychopath, own up to it.

1.Regularly breaks or flouts the law
2.Constantly lies and deceives others
3.Can be prone to fighting and aggressiveness
4.Has little regard for the safety of others
5.Doesn’t feel remorse or guilt

She would have killed and ate her only child if she knew it would have given her the WH. She may be Satan's daughter?
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I'm of the opinion that by the end of his term, in four years, there will be enough people to send him packing.
Those that cling to him or try to appease him deserve whatever misfortune he brings to them.
Thanks Nostradamus
I'm counting on you to bear the weight of Trump's upset win, buddy.
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http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/07/opinions/reasoning-with-trump-voters-mallicote/index.html

We are too quick to vilify those on the opposite side of the political aisle. I am firmly opposed to Donald Trump, but because of where I live, I know a lot of good and decent people who voted for him. If I feel the urge to disparage Trump supporters as a group, I have to reconcile that urge with what I know about the Trump voters with whom I work, eat and pray.
It was an interesting article but the guy's entire outlook is based on an invalid starting point. His final conclusion is that Trump voters got conned. Some of them may have but to be honest, the hard right folks were the one's who got conned here.

I did not vote for Trump in the primary. I did vote for Trump in the Presidential election and I did so for one simple reason. Hillary Clinton was the candidate for the DNC. Had the DNC put Sanders on their ticket (or really any number of other people who were not Clinton) then I probably would have voted for Johnson in the presidential election. I am not alone in voting this way.

The suggestion that vast numbers of people were conned by Trump's campaigning is just silly and condescending. It shows that the author of this article started from a position of believing that he was significantly smarter and knew significantly more than the people he was addressing. Most of he people I know who voted for Trump begrudgingly voted against Clinton not for Trump. I said before the election and my feeling on this stands to this day, there is a deep seeded loathing that borders on hatred for Hillary Clinton across this country. It has nothing to do with the fact she is a woman. It has nothing to do with the fact that she had a private server. People just don't like the woman. A significant number of them.
Calling bs on you

If you didnt like Hillary you could have voted for Johnson or simply took a pass

But you chose to vote for a racist sex offender, that speaks volumes about your character

Now the country is headed for chaos and fascism. That's on you

I considered Clinton to be the bigger threat. I do not think that Trump can simply get his policies rubber stamped and I think had Clinton won she would have done better against a hostile congress than Trump will do even with "his side" controlling both the House and the Senate.

To be brutally honest though, I expected the democrats to do better in the election than they did. With the Senate map we had I did not expect the Republicans to get a 52-48 majority in that house. Then I expected Clinton to do here thing and maintain the status quo for a couple years and then gain some seats in 2018 at which point she could really implement her agenda.

Atta, the portions of Trump's "platform" that you rail on and on about are never going to happen. Sure, he may build a wall and round up some illegal aliens but damn it, those people would be getting rounded up if we just enforced the existing laws.

Most of the other stuff you worry about is nothing but fringe leftist nonsense that won't happen, actually can't happen without constitutional change.
Theres that saying ''It can't happen here!''
It's about to

The German people were considered some of the most modern, educated, cultured people in the world. That actually was their flaw, they thought they were superior. Or as America calls itself, exceptional

Within that culture were angry, bitter individuals who believed it was the fault of others- jewish bankers - that were responcible for their loss in WWI, the Treaty of Versailles and the depression. One guy gathered up all that bitter hatred into a mass movement that took over the government and led Germany and the rest of the world into a modern hell

Before that happened, there were people just like you who thought exactly the same way, that Hitler and the nazis were basically harmless, a passing fad, the the German Parliment would smooth him out. Those that survived the next decades were quite shocked when they were marched past the bodies in the concentration camps. But were they innocent?

Trump was brought to power with those same bitter, angry sentiments. And there is no check on his power, the GOP is deathly afraid of him and to defy him is to defy their voters. He has all the keys and is elevating the worst types to his inner circle. He has all the power and potential to match Hitler, and even surpass his carnage. Once we go down that rabbithole, there's no knowing where it'll end up. But if history is any guide, it wont end well
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http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/07/opinions/reasoning-with-trump-voters-mallicote/index.html

We are too quick to vilify those on the opposite side of the political aisle. I am firmly opposed to Donald Trump, but because of where I live, I know a lot of good and decent people who voted for him. If I feel the urge to disparage Trump supporters as a group, I have to reconcile that urge with what I know about the Trump voters with whom I work, eat and pray.
It was an interesting article but the guy's entire outlook is based on an invalid starting point. His final conclusion is that Trump voters got conned. Some of them may have but to be honest, the hard right folks were the one's who got conned here.

I did not vote for Trump in the primary. I did vote for Trump in the Presidential election and I did so for one simple reason. Hillary Clinton was the candidate for the DNC. Had the DNC put Sanders on their ticket (or really any number of other people who were not Clinton) then I probably would have voted for Johnson in the presidential election. I am not alone in voting this way.

The suggestion that vast numbers of people were conned by Trump's campaigning is just silly and condescending. It shows that the author of this article started from a position of believing that he was significantly smarter and knew significantly more than the people he was addressing. Most of he people I know who voted for Trump begrudgingly voted against Clinton not for Trump. I said before the election and my feeling on this stands to this day, there is a deep seeded loathing that borders on hatred for Hillary Clinton across this country. It has nothing to do with the fact she is a woman. It has nothing to do with the fact that she had a private server. People just don't like the woman. A significant number of them.
Calling bs on you

If you didnt like Hillary you could have voted for Johnson or simply took a pass

But you chose to vote for a racist sex offender, that speaks volumes about your character

Now the country is headed for chaos and fascism. That's on you

I considered Clinton to be the bigger threat. I do not think that Trump can simply get his policies rubber stamped and I think had Clinton won she would have done better against a hostile congress than Trump will do even with "his side" controlling both the House and the Senate.

To be brutally honest though, I expected the democrats to do better in the election than they did. With the Senate map we had I did not expect the Republicans to get a 52-48 majority in that house. Then I expected Clinton to do here thing and maintain the status quo for a couple years and then gain some seats in 2018 at which point she could really implement her agenda.

Atta, the portions of Trump's "platform" that you rail on and on about are never going to happen. Sure, he may build a wall and round up some illegal aliens but damn it, those people would be getting rounded up if we just enforced the existing laws.

Most of the other stuff you worry about is nothing but fringe leftist nonsense that won't happen, actually can't happen without constitutional change.
Theres that saying ''It can't happen here!''
It's about to

The German people were considered some of the most modern, educated, cultured people in the world. That actually was their flaw, they thought they were superior. Or as America calls itself, exceptional

Within that culture were angry, bitter individuals who believed it was the fault of others- jewish bankers - that were responcible for their loss in WWI, the Treaty of Versailles and the depression. One guy gathered up all that bitter hatred into a mass movement that took over the government and led Germany and the rest of the world into a modern hell

Before that happened, there were people just like you who thought exactly the same way, that Hitler and the nazis were basically harmless, a passing fad, the the German Parliment would smooth him out. Those that survived the next decades were quite shocked when they were marched past the bodies in the concentration camps. But were they innocent?

Trump was brought to power with those same bitter, angry sentiments. And there is no check on his power, the GOP is deathly afraid of him and to defy him is to defy their voters. He has all the keys and is elevating the worst types to his inner circle. He has all the power and potential to match Hitler, and even surpass his carnage. Once we go down that rabbithole, there's no knowing where it'll end up. But if history is any guide, it wont end well
Trump's model is Tojo. You can't get a simple thing right.
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Feb 9 2017, 06:27 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/07/opinions/reasoning-with-trump-voters-mallicote/index.html

We are too quick to vilify those on the opposite side of the political aisle. I am firmly opposed to Donald Trump, but because of where I live, I know a lot of good and decent people who voted for him. If I feel the urge to disparage Trump supporters as a group, I have to reconcile that urge with what I know about the Trump voters with whom I work, eat and pray.
It was an interesting article but the guy's entire outlook is based on an invalid starting point. His final conclusion is that Trump voters got conned. Some of them may have but to be honest, the hard right folks were the one's who got conned here.

I did not vote for Trump in the primary. I did vote for Trump in the Presidential election and I did so for one simple reason. Hillary Clinton was the candidate for the DNC. Had the DNC put Sanders on their ticket (or really any number of other people who were not Clinton) then I probably would have voted for Johnson in the presidential election. I am not alone in voting this way.

The suggestion that vast numbers of people were conned by Trump's campaigning is just silly and condescending. It shows that the author of this article started from a position of believing that he was significantly smarter and knew significantly more than the people he was addressing. Most of he people I know who voted for Trump begrudgingly voted against Clinton not for Trump. I said before the election and my feeling on this stands to this day, there is a deep seeded loathing that borders on hatred for Hillary Clinton across this country. It has nothing to do with the fact she is a woman. It has nothing to do with the fact that she had a private server. People just don't like the woman. A significant number of them.
Calling bs on you

If you didnt like Hillary you could have voted for Johnson or simply took a pass

But you chose to vote for a racist sex offender, that speaks volumes about your character

Now the country is headed for chaos and fascism. That's on you

I considered Clinton to be the bigger threat. I do not think that Trump can simply get his policies rubber stamped and I think had Clinton won she would have done better against a hostile congress than Trump will do even with "his side" controlling both the House and the Senate.

To be brutally honest though, I expected the democrats to do better in the election than they did. With the Senate map we had I did not expect the Republicans to get a 52-48 majority in that house. Then I expected Clinton to do here thing and maintain the status quo for a couple years and then gain some seats in 2018 at which point she could really implement her agenda.

Atta, the portions of Trump's "platform" that you rail on and on about are never going to happen. Sure, he may build a wall and round up some illegal aliens but damn it, those people would be getting rounded up if we just enforced the existing laws.

Most of the other stuff you worry about is nothing but fringe leftist nonsense that won't happen, actually can't happen without constitutional change.
Theres that saying ''It can't happen here!''
It's about to

The German people were considered some of the most modern, educated, cultured people in the world.
Ok, let me stop you before you fully get into your Nazi rant here.

Do me a favor, read our constitution and see if you can find a place in there where it allows for the President to be declared supreme leader for life or some other such nonsense. Most of the protections in our system are constitutional and they are exceptionally hard to change.

Our system of government overall is vastly different than the German system was back then. Lastly, the Germanic people have always been a people who take to an authoritarian leader. The US does not have the characteristic in anywhere near the same percentages.

Honestly, when you spout this stuff comparing Trump to Hitler you essentially lose all credibility. Frankly, Trump has more in common with Bill Clinton than he does with Hitler.
Edited by Demagogue, Feb 9 2017, 12:22 PM.
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I'm of the opinion that by the end of his term, in four years, there will be enough people to send him packing.
Those that cling to him or try to appease him deserve whatever misfortune he brings to them.
You are probably correct, Americans are used to a benign, politically correct moron, that accomplishes nothing, lies though his teeth, yet avoids hurting our little snowflake's feelings. Hopefully Trump will accomplish most everything he wants to in four years. After that I'll be retired and might welcome a socialist that will send me more government money while bankrupting the country.

As always PAtruth wins!!!!

I'm already retired...I retired at 55 years old...ten years ago
I already won. :biggrin:

Maybe I should start a newsletter for junior guys like you?
Excellent, but I can't just retire and do nothing, I'm used to working. Our generation will win, the next five generations will inherit the multi-trillion dollar social security and Medicare Ponzi schemes, the 20 trillion dollars of debt and a bloated government that sucks the life out of the working poor. Judgment day isn't that far off. If Trump does what Obama did, add 10 trillion dollars of debt, there will be consequences.
I do as I like. Go when I want, build my projects.... I did a little consulting for a bit.
I'm a full time grampa now with another due in May. Heading to the Caribbean next week
To be honest , I don't know how I fit that job stuff in...
I'm the guy you want to be when you grow up. :biggrin:

If you need any life advice, pm me...we can talk.
Edited by CautionaryTales, Feb 9 2017, 12:30 PM.


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Atta, I noticed you couldn't answer my question.

Why did all these weeping Democrats once storm the home of young Elian Gonzalez waving machine guns and deport him to Cuba? And now today, the same media rats who supported that are weeping that some illegal alien who reportedly committed identity theft is being deported? Why is it racist to deport the criminal but not racist to deport the young boy?
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Calling bs on you

If you didnt like Hillary you could have voted for Johnson or simply took a pass

But you chose to vote for a racist sex offender, that speaks volumes about your character

Now the country is headed for chaos and fascism. That's on you

I considered Clinton to be the bigger threat. I do not think that Trump can simply get his policies rubber stamped and I think had Clinton won she would have done better against a hostile congress than Trump will do even with "his side" controlling both the House and the Senate.

To be brutally honest though, I expected the democrats to do better in the election than they did. With the Senate map we had I did not expect the Republicans to get a 52-48 majority in that house. Then I expected Clinton to do here thing and maintain the status quo for a couple years and then gain some seats in 2018 at which point she could really implement her agenda.

Atta, the portions of Trump's "platform" that you rail on and on about are never going to happen. Sure, he may build a wall and round up some illegal aliens but damn it, those people would be getting rounded up if we just enforced the existing laws.

Most of the other stuff you worry about is nothing but fringe leftist nonsense that won't happen, actually can't happen without constitutional change.
Theres that saying ''It can't happen here!''
It's about to

The German people were considered some of the most modern, educated, cultured people in the world.
Ok, let me stop you before you fully get into your Nazi rant here.

Do me a favor, read our constitution and see if you can find a place in there where it allows for the President to be declared supreme leader for life or some other such nonsense. Most of the protections in our system are constitutional and they are exceptionally hard to change.

Our system of government overall is vastly different than the German system was back then. Lastly, the Germanic people have always been a people who take to an authoritarian leader. The US does not have the characteristic in anywhere near the same percentages.

Honestly, when you spout this stuff comparing Trump to Hitler you essentially lose all credibility. Frankly, Trump has more in common with Bill Clinton than he does with Hitler.
The German Republic had a very similar setup as ours, Hitler and the National Socialists dismantled it piece by piece. Remember, Hitler didnt shoot his way into power, he was made vice chancellor to President Hindenburg. When Hindenburg died, he became chancellor.

Once Trump controls the USSC, he will control all levers of power. He also intends on filling over 100 federal judiciary seats

Does this mean he's going to start gassing illegal aliens? Not necessarily, but concentration camps are already there

My belief is its going to be Christo-fascism, his whole cabinet is loaded with dominionists, like Sessions, Pence, Pompeo, DeVos, along with islamophobes Bannon and Flynn. The congress is also loaded with dominionists, as are 34 state governments (it takes 35 states to amend the constitution)

They're well funded, they're changing the laws to suit their purposes

We're on the way to Kleptocratic police state theocracy, like Iran
Edited by Attaburnsinhell, Feb 9 2017, 12:42 PM.
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I'm of the opinion that by the end of his term, in four years, there will be enough people to send him packing.
Those that cling to him or try to appease him deserve whatever misfortune he brings to them.
You are probably correct, Americans are used to a benign, politically correct moron, that accomplishes nothing, lies though his teeth, yet avoids hurting our little snowflake's feelings. Hopefully Trump will accomplish most everything he wants to in four years. After that I'll be retired and might welcome a socialist that will send me more government money while bankrupting the country.

As always PAtruth wins!!!!

I'm already retired...I retired at 55 years old...ten years ago
I already won. :biggrin:

Maybe I should start a newsletter for junior guys like you?
Excellent, but I can't just retire and do nothing, I'm used to working. Our generation will win, the next five generations will inherit the multi-trillion dollar social security and Medicare Ponzi schemes, the 20 trillion dollars of debt and a bloated government that sucks the life out of the working poor. Judgment day isn't that far off. If Trump does what Obama did, add 10 trillion dollars of debt, there will be consequences.
I do as I like. Go when I want, build my projects.... I did a little consulting for a bit.
I'm a full time grampa now with another due in May. Heading to the Caribbean next week
To be honest , I don't know how I fit that job stuff in...
I'm the guy you want to be when you grow up. :biggrin:

If you need any life advice, pm me...we can talk.
Work is voluntary, I could retire tomorrow if I want. I'm hoping Trump will lower the capital gains tax so I can liquidate a few assets. I will be skiing in Aspen in a few weeks and I'll be traveling to Ireland in April. I can travel the world almost free of charge, I sit in business class! I'm looking for something flexible to do to keep me occupied. Idle time is time wasted.
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I considered Clinton to be the bigger threat. I do not think that Trump can simply get his policies rubber stamped and I think had Clinton won she would have done better against a hostile congress than Trump will do even with "his side" controlling both the House and the Senate.

To be brutally honest though, I expected the democrats to do better in the election than they did. With the Senate map we had I did not expect the Republicans to get a 52-48 majority in that house. Then I expected Clinton to do here thing and maintain the status quo for a couple years and then gain some seats in 2018 at which point she could really implement her agenda.

Atta, the portions of Trump's "platform" that you rail on and on about are never going to happen. Sure, he may build a wall and round up some illegal aliens but damn it, those people would be getting rounded up if we just enforced the existing laws.

Most of the other stuff you worry about is nothing but fringe leftist nonsense that won't happen, actually can't happen without constitutional change.
Theres that saying ''It can't happen here!''
It's about to

The German people were considered some of the most modern, educated, cultured people in the world.
Ok, let me stop you before you fully get into your Nazi rant here.

Do me a favor, read our constitution and see if you can find a place in there where it allows for the President to be declared supreme leader for life or some other such nonsense. Most of the protections in our system are constitutional and they are exceptionally hard to change.

Our system of government overall is vastly different than the German system was back then. Lastly, the Germanic people have always been a people who take to an authoritarian leader. The US does not have the characteristic in anywhere near the same percentages.

Honestly, when you spout this stuff comparing Trump to Hitler you essentially lose all credibility. Frankly, Trump has more in common with Bill Clinton than he does with Hitler.
The German Republic had a very similar setup as ours, Hitler and the National Socialists dismantled it piece by piece. Remember, Hitler didnt shoot his way into power, he was made vice chancellor to President Hindenburg. When Hindenburg died, he became chancellor.

Once Trump controls the USSC, he will control all levers of power. He also intends on filling over 100 federal judiciary seats

Does this mean he's going to start gassing illegal aliens? Not necessarily, but concentration camps are already there

My belief is its going to be Christo-fascism, his whole cabinet is loaded with dominionists, like Sessions, Pence, Pompeo, DeVos, along with islamophobes Bannon and Flynn. The congress is also loaded with dominionists, as are 34 state governments (it takes 35 states to amend the constitution)

They're well funded, they're changing the laws to suit their purposes

We're on the way to Kleptocratic police state theocracy, like Iran
I completely disagree with you (which is not a surprise to anyone) on your future outlook here.

I will say this though, as soon as they start trying to get a constitutional amendment passed through congress that in any way reduces the existing rights that the people of this country have then I will be on your side. I seriously doubt that is going to happen though.

We will see.
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Atta, I noticed you couldn't answer my question.

Why did all these weeping Democrats once storm the home of young Elian Gonzalez waving machine guns and deport him to Cuba? And now today, the same media rats who supported that are weeping that some illegal alien who reportedly committed identity theft is being deported? Why is it racist to deport the criminal but not racist to deport the young boy?
Elian was not deported, he was returned to his father who came and got him from Cuba. He was brought to the US by his mother, he had no say in the deal. She risked his life, she drowned.
Edited by Attaburnsinhell, Feb 9 2017, 01:25 PM.
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Feb 9 2017, 11:37 AM
Eddo36
Feb 9 2017, 06:27 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/07/opinions/reasoning-with-trump-voters-mallicote/index.html

We are too quick to vilify those on the opposite side of the political aisle. I am firmly opposed to Donald Trump, but because of where I live, I know a lot of good and decent people who voted for him. If I feel the urge to disparage Trump supporters as a group, I have to reconcile that urge with what I know about the Trump voters with whom I work, eat and pray.
It was an interesting article but the guy's entire outlook is based on an invalid starting point. His final conclusion is that Trump voters got conned. Some of them may have but to be honest, the hard right folks were the one's who got conned here.

I did not vote for Trump in the primary. I did vote for Trump in the Presidential election and I did so for one simple reason. Hillary Clinton was the candidate for the DNC. Had the DNC put Sanders on their ticket (or really any number of other people who were not Clinton) then I probably would have voted for Johnson in the presidential election. I am not alone in voting this way.

The suggestion that vast numbers of people were conned by Trump's campaigning is just silly and condescending. It shows that the author of this article started from a position of believing that he was significantly smarter and knew significantly more than the people he was addressing. Most of he people I know who voted for Trump begrudgingly voted against Clinton not for Trump. I said before the election and my feeling on this stands to this day, there is a deep seeded loathing that borders on hatred for Hillary Clinton across this country. It has nothing to do with the fact she is a woman. It has nothing to do with the fact that she had a private server. People just don't like the woman. A significant number of them.
I think article is for those who voted Trump in primary over the dozen other GOP nominees, don't you? Can you honestly say they weren't conned?
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Feb 9 2017, 01:23 PM
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Feb 9 2017, 12:37 PM
Atta, I noticed you couldn't answer my question.

Why did all these weeping Democrats once storm the home of young Elian Gonzalez waving machine guns and deport him to Cuba? And now today, the same media rats who supported that are weeping that some illegal alien who reportedly committed identity theft is being deported? Why is it racist to deport the criminal but not racist to deport the young boy?
Elian was not deported, he was returned to his father who came and got him from Cuba. He was brought to the US by his mother, he had no say in the deal. She risked his life, she drowned.
Returned? Excellent, that's what we'll call "returning" millions of illegals to their nation of origin. I see it as a warranty issue, we got a faulty product and we're going to return it.

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We are too quick to vilify those on the opposite side of the political aisle.


No sh^t,....what tipped you off to that?

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So you're to quick to vilify people and you're closed minded and intolerant....

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Feb 9 2017, 02:23 PM
We don't reason with the fascist left


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Ever notice the only 2 people Trump refuses to speak ill of are Stormy Daniels and Vladimir Putin?
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Eddo36
Feb 9 2017, 02:23 PM
Demagogue
Feb 9 2017, 11:37 AM
Eddo36
Feb 9 2017, 06:27 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/07/opinions/reasoning-with-trump-voters-mallicote/index.html

We are too quick to vilify those on the opposite side of the political aisle. I am firmly opposed to Donald Trump, but because of where I live, I know a lot of good and decent people who voted for him. If I feel the urge to disparage Trump supporters as a group, I have to reconcile that urge with what I know about the Trump voters with whom I work, eat and pray.
It was an interesting article but the guy's entire outlook is based on an invalid starting point. His final conclusion is that Trump voters got conned. Some of them may have but to be honest, the hard right folks were the one's who got conned here.

I did not vote for Trump in the primary. I did vote for Trump in the Presidential election and I did so for one simple reason. Hillary Clinton was the candidate for the DNC. Had the DNC put Sanders on their ticket (or really any number of other people who were not Clinton) then I probably would have voted for Johnson in the presidential election. I am not alone in voting this way.

The suggestion that vast numbers of people were conned by Trump's campaigning is just silly and condescending. It shows that the author of this article started from a position of believing that he was significantly smarter and knew significantly more than the people he was addressing. Most of he people I know who voted for Trump begrudgingly voted against Clinton not for Trump. I said before the election and my feeling on this stands to this day, there is a deep seeded loathing that borders on hatred for Hillary Clinton across this country. It has nothing to do with the fact she is a woman. It has nothing to do with the fact that she had a private server. People just don't like the woman. A significant number of them.
I think article is for those who voted Trump in primary over the dozen other GOP nominees, don't you? Can you honestly say they weren't conned?
You have to remember that Trump was only getting about 30-35% of the Republican voters when the field was full. Many of those folks fall into two classes. Those who were like Fashy and wanted someone who was xenophobic are probably 10% of that 35%. The other 25% were mostly people who desperately wanted anyone other than a politician. Those people would be pleasantly surprised if he was able to reduce spending in DC and or stem the tide of illegal immigration but mostly, they just did not want another status quo politician. Then there were probably a very small percentage that are true believers that actually think he can do the things he said he was going to do in exactly the manner with which he said he could do them. This last group obviously lack a full understanding of our system of government and yes those folks were duped.

As for the rest of the Republican party, the 65% who were voting for other candidates prior to Trump winning the nomination, those folks never believed anything he said but none of them were willing allow another Clinton into office by voting for a third party. So, they swallowed their pride, cursed the system that gave us a Trump-Clinton election, and voted for Trump on election day.
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Feb 9 2017, 06:17 PM
Eddo36
Feb 9 2017, 02:23 PM
Demagogue
Feb 9 2017, 11:37 AM
Eddo36
Feb 9 2017, 06:27 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/07/opinions/reasoning-with-trump-voters-mallicote/index.html

We are too quick to vilify those on the opposite side of the political aisle. I am firmly opposed to Donald Trump, but because of where I live, I know a lot of good and decent people who voted for him. If I feel the urge to disparage Trump supporters as a group, I have to reconcile that urge with what I know about the Trump voters with whom I work, eat and pray.
It was an interesting article but the guy's entire outlook is based on an invalid starting point. His final conclusion is that Trump voters got conned. Some of them may have but to be honest, the hard right folks were the one's who got conned here.

I did not vote for Trump in the primary. I did vote for Trump in the Presidential election and I did so for one simple reason. Hillary Clinton was the candidate for the DNC. Had the DNC put Sanders on their ticket (or really any number of other people who were not Clinton) then I probably would have voted for Johnson in the presidential election. I am not alone in voting this way.

The suggestion that vast numbers of people were conned by Trump's campaigning is just silly and condescending. It shows that the author of this article started from a position of believing that he was significantly smarter and knew significantly more than the people he was addressing. Most of he people I know who voted for Trump begrudgingly voted against Clinton not for Trump. I said before the election and my feeling on this stands to this day, there is a deep seeded loathing that borders on hatred for Hillary Clinton across this country. It has nothing to do with the fact she is a woman. It has nothing to do with the fact that she had a private server. People just don't like the woman. A significant number of them.
I think article is for those who voted Trump in primary over the dozen other GOP nominees, don't you? Can you honestly say they weren't conned?
You have to remember that Trump was only getting about 30-35% of the Republican voters when the field was full. Many of those folks fall into two classes. Those who were like Fashy and wanted someone who was xenophobic are probably 10% of that 35%. The other 25% were mostly people who desperately wanted anyone other than a politician. Those people would be pleasantly surprised if he was able to reduce spending in DC and or stem the tide of illegal immigration but mostly, they just did not want another status quo politician. Then there were probably a very small percentage that are true believers that actually think he can do the things he said he was going to do in exactly the manner with which he said he could do them. This last group obviously lack a full understanding of our system of government and yes those folks were duped.

As for the rest of the Republican party, the 65% who were voting for other candidates prior to Trump winning the nomination, those folks never believed anything he said but none of them were willing allow another Clinton into office by voting for a third party. So, they swallowed their pride, cursed the system that gave us a Trump-Clinton election, and voted for Trump on election day.
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Feb 9 2017, 06:27 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/07/opinions/reasoning-with-trump-voters-mallicote/index.html

We are too quick to vilify those on the opposite side of the political aisle. I am firmly opposed to Donald Trump, but because of where I live, I know a lot of good and decent people who voted for him. If I feel the urge to disparage Trump supporters as a group, I have to reconcile that urge with what I know about the Trump voters with whom I work, eat and pray.
Geezus that author is a fricking moron...
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