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France to build 1000KM of solar powered roads
Topic Started: Feb 11 2017, 12:08 PM (1,036 Views)
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The dutch build a very small version of this (100 meters) to see how it works. Now the French are going to install 1000km worth. I hope that they looked at the production numbers from the Dutch team before deciding to do this and I hope those numbers say it will work.

My problem with the whole concept is that roads take a beating and I suspect maintenance on these is going to be significantly higher than other solar installations.

I am all for letting the French lead on this one. Who knows, it may work out.
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Feb 13 2017, 04:37 PM
The dutch build a very small version of this (100 meters) to see how it works. Now the French are going to install 1000km worth. I hope that they looked at the production numbers from the Dutch team before deciding to do this and I hope those numbers say it will work.

My problem with the whole concept is that roads take a beating and I suspect maintenance on these is going to be significantly higher than other solar installations.

I am all for letting the French lead on this one. Who knows, it may work out.
Indeed, maintenance was the first thing that came to mind when I was reading about this. Perhaps they might be able to develop a resistant layer (so to speak) over the top of the road that allows solar energy capture but 'toughens' the road up so that it holds up better?

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Feb 13 2017, 04:49 PM
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Feb 13 2017, 04:37 PM
The dutch build a very small version of this (100 meters) to see how it works. Now the French are going to install 1000km worth. I hope that they looked at the production numbers from the Dutch team before deciding to do this and I hope those numbers say it will work.

My problem with the whole concept is that roads take a beating and I suspect maintenance on these is going to be significantly higher than other solar installations.

I am all for letting the French lead on this one. Who knows, it may work out.
Indeed, maintenance was the first thing that came to mind when I was reading about this. Perhaps they might be able to develop a resistant layer (so to speak) over the top of the road that allows solar energy capture but 'toughens' the road up so that it holds up better?

Yeah, they claim that they are rated for even heavy trucks to drive over but then I sit here and think about the ruts that are created in concrete or asphalt over years of having 80,000lb trucks crossing them and I just don't see these things standing up as well as reinforced concrete.
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Feb 13 2017, 05:47 PM
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Feb 13 2017, 04:49 PM
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Feb 13 2017, 04:37 PM
The dutch build a very small version of this (100 meters) to see how it works. Now the French are going to install 1000km worth. I hope that they looked at the production numbers from the Dutch team before deciding to do this and I hope those numbers say it will work.

My problem with the whole concept is that roads take a beating and I suspect maintenance on these is going to be significantly higher than other solar installations.

I am all for letting the French lead on this one. Who knows, it may work out.
Indeed, maintenance was the first thing that came to mind when I was reading about this. Perhaps they might be able to develop a resistant layer (so to speak) over the top of the road that allows solar energy capture but 'toughens' the road up so that it holds up better?

Yeah, they claim that they are rated for even heavy trucks to drive over but then I sit here and think about the ruts that are created in concrete or asphalt over years of having 80,000lb trucks crossing them and I just don't see these things standing up as well as reinforced concrete.
Oh absolutely. I live in a town which sits on one of the three main highways through my state and as such we see a lot of truck traffic - both long haul and short/medium haul. The roads here - beyond the residential which themselves are barely maintained - are quite used and abused.

It is going to be interesting - I'm fascinated by what renewable technology and fuels are leading to (tech, economic development wise, etc), but I'm also in a lets wait and see mode because in the end the concept is all still so young and only time will tell if it plays out well. I hope it does.

That said...I'm still kicking my arse for not investing in Solar City stock... :wah:
Edited by lucash, Feb 13 2017, 06:45 PM.
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First we had fake news, now fake fecking science.

Here is the equation:

(One pseudoscience based idea that is bulls**t) + (Persuasion of fear) = retards that want to give all their .. sorry your money to a bulls**t idea

Thorium powered cars
Solar Freakin Roadways
Spinning solar panels
Underwater electronic gills
(HYPE)erloop
EMDrive
Self-filling water bottles
plastic from airborn CO2
Plastic modular roads made from soda bottles


and on and on. Look any of these up on youtube, these are all real ideas that have fooled naive idiots, both in government and otherwise to hand over hundreds of thousands of dollars.

It is insulting to attribute copernicus to any of this clickbait garbage, whereas the leftists that try to give these ideas relevancy when they deserve none resemble the religions that persecuted science. The people that support these ideas are basing it off their emotions - not logic which the scammers prey on.


Edited by estonianman, Feb 14 2017, 04:30 PM.
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Remember these scammers? Remember when Atta, Lensy and crew were fawning over this bulls**t pseudo science? The naysayers were right

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pIfo1Dynjg&t
Edited by estonianman, Feb 14 2017, 04:28 PM.
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You know esto, you're getting awfully hyperbolic and emotional - are you starting to slip towards the left? :tongue:

Care to actually go into specifics as to your comments, as opposed to just the aforementioned hyperbole?
Edited by lucash, Feb 14 2017, 04:44 PM.
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Feb 14 2017, 04:43 PM
You know esto, you're getting awfully hyperbolic and emotional - are you starting to slip towards the left? :tongue:
Psuedoscience scams are very real, and with social media damage caused is multiplied.

If I could discard the ethics - I could produce a cheesy CGI video, presenting a carbon sequestration device, powered by thorium that takes CO2 from the air and turns it into graphene roadways that generate power.

Its all bulls**t of course - but with a bit of marketing and a couple million retweets from non-skeptical ignorant masses I could probably get a million and change in funding.
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Feb 14 2017, 04:43 PM
Care to actually go into specifics as to your comments, as opposed to just the aforementioned hyperbole?
Regarding what?

Rooftops receive the most solar energy and the least wear and tear.
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Care to actually go into specifics as to your comments, as opposed to just the aforementioned hyperbole?
Regarding what?<br /><br />Rooftops receive the most solar energy and the least wear and tear.
All of it? I'd like to see more stats, science, etc. than hyperbolic rants. :cheers:
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Care to actually go into specifics as to your comments, as opposed to just the aforementioned hyperbole?
Regarding what?<br /><br />Rooftops receive the most solar energy and the least wear and tear.
All of it? I'd like to see more stats, science, etc. than hyperbolic rants. :cheers:
Are you serious? Roof tops are already used for solar as a standard - they are proven.

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Care to actually go into specifics as to your comments, as opposed to just the aforementioned hyperbole?
Regarding what?<br /><br />Rooftops receive the most solar energy and the least wear and tear.
All of it? I'd like to see more stats, science, etc. than hyperbolic rants. :cheers:
Are you serious? Roof tops are already used for solar as a standard - they are proven.

The road...not the rooftops. You went hysterical regarding alleged "pseudoscience" regarding the roads, so...back that up with evidence? I'm simply curious as to why and how you came to that conclusion.

Is it really that difficult to go on and on about yourself? You used to do it often under the guise of your former anti-statist ideology. :tongue:

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When I wrote my first computer program back in 1968, it was a multi-day effort. I had to go out and buy some punch cards, stand in line to punch them up, put them into a basket for processing, and come back the next day to see if a report printed out.

If you would have asked me if people would some day be walking around with computers in their pockets, connected to networks of millions of other computers, so that they could watch high resolution video of cats doing cute things, I'd have thought you were nuts.

I'm not going to rule out roadways that produce electricity form solar energy. Roadways are a large, stable, flat surface, elevated and sloped to prevent standing water, and often have electrical distribution lines running along one side.
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Feb 15 2017, 03:26 PM
When I wrote my first computer program back in 1968, it was a multi-day effort. I had to go out and buy some punch cards, stand in line to punch them up, put them into a basket for processing, and come back the next day to see if a report printed out.

If you would have asked me if people would some day be walking around with computers in their pockets, connected to networks of millions of other computers, so that they could watch high resolution video of cats doing cute things, I'd have thought you were nuts.

I'm not going to rule out roadways that produce electricity form solar energy. Roadways are a large, stable, flat surface, elevated and sloped to prevent standing water, and often have electrical distribution lines running along one side.
Exactly. Wait and see. Technology changes and develops and for all we know, ten or twenty years down the road solar roads might be far more practical.

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Remember these scammers? Remember when Atta, Lensy and crew were fawning over this bulls**t pseudo science? The naysayers were right

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pIfo1Dynjg&t
That's funny, I never saw the "Solar Freaking Roadways" video before.

I think that the concept of having the panels do all those different things would result in power going into the panels from the grid not out of the panels and onto the grid. This couple seems to have had a wonderful idea that sounded cool and plausible while smoking a joint in the comfort of their house but in reality it does not look like it works too well.

The Dutch on the other hand actually did this. Here is what an actual working testbed for a solar road looks like during install.

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They actually make power with their 100m stretch. http://www.globalconstructionreview.com/news/100m-dutch-solar-road-g5en8er0at2es4-e4nou6g0h8/


I assume that the French are looking to use the Dutch model, not the version of that nice stoner couple from Idaho.

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Feb 14 2017, 04:28 PM

Remember these scammers? Remember when Atta, Lensy and crew were fawning over this bulls**t pseudo science? The naysayers were right

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pIfo1Dynjg&t
That's funny, I never saw the "Solar Freaking Roadways" video before.

I think that the concept of having the panels do all those different things would result in power going into the panels from the grid not out of the panels and onto the grid. This couple seems to have had a wonderful idea that sounded cool and plausible while smoking a joint in the comfort of their house but in reality it does not look like it works too well.

The Dutch on the other hand actually did this. Here is what an actual working testbed for a solar road looks like during install.

Posted Image

They actually make power with their 100m stretch. http://www.globalconstructionreview.com/news/100m-dutch-solar-road-g5en8er0at2es4-e4nou6g0h8/


I assume that the French are looking to use the Dutch model, not the version of that nice stoner couple from Idaho.

Is that the ultimate thickness? My nephew and his Big Wheel could wear that out.
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Remember these scammers? Remember when Atta, Lensy and crew were fawning over this bulls**t pseudo science? The naysayers were right

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pIfo1Dynjg&t
That's funny, I never saw the "Solar Freaking Roadways" video before.

I think that the concept of having the panels do all those different things would result in power going into the panels from the grid not out of the panels and onto the grid. This couple seems to have had a wonderful idea that sounded cool and plausible while smoking a joint in the comfort of their house but in reality it does not look like it works too well.

The Dutch on the other hand actually did this. Here is what an actual working testbed for a solar road looks like during install.

Posted Image

They actually make power with their 100m stretch. http://www.globalconstructionreview.com/news/100m-dutch-solar-road-g5en8er0at2es4-e4nou6g0h8/


I assume that the French are looking to use the Dutch model, not the version of that nice stoner couple from Idaho.

Is that the ultimate thickness? My nephew and his Big Wheel could wear that out.
Looking at the photos of it on the web I don't think the Dutch one is intended for motor vehicle traffic because all of the photos show bicycles on it.

With that said, the concrete there looks to be eight inches maybe more. The interstate highway system here in the USA uses 11 inches of concrete. So the build of that is not completely off base. The roadbed they are using looks soft though which is why I thought it might not be a motor vehicle road.
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Yeah, $3.7 million does seem a bit steep for a small section of bike path.

http://www.triplepundit.com/2016/01/looking-at-the-dutch-solar-bike-path-after-one-year/

I wonder if that is the cost of the whole bike path or just the solar portion. If it is just the solar portion then obviously the costs are way out of whack.
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