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Trump White House in Chaos - Flynn Goes Down in Flames
Topic Started: Feb 14 2017, 07:13 AM (1,171 Views)
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Adolph Hipster
Feb 14 2017, 05:53 PM
White House says Trump asked for Flynn's resignation after erosion of 'trust'


More like "Flynn falls on the sword at Trump's urging"
Who knows?

Who in the Puzzle Palace, a.k.a. the White House can one believe?

Then there's this on America's premier lap dog: Following Flynn’s resignation, Paul Ryan uses alternative facts to defend Trump http://j.mp/2kGYfal
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Dr. B
Feb 14 2017, 04:51 PM
You say your interest is in having the "truth out there?" Please explain what truth was ever covered up or hindered.

The White House explained that Flynn didn't break any laws or do anything wrong. After a lengthy investigation, it was determined that there was no legal reason to get rid of him. It was a matter of trust. The president doesn't think he can trust someone who goes alone like that.

Leftists always yell vague slogans about "truth" or "freedom" to justify their destructive behavior. Fact is, you are a foot soldier and your duty is to attack anything Trump does. As your violent rhetoric indicates, you fancy yourself some guerrilla fighter shooting down planes.

I find it interesting that your main target is a woman, the first woman in history to run a winning presidential campaign. How feminist of you! That just goes to show what feminism is really about. It's not about empowering women and valuing equality. It's the opposite of that. It is just a pointed weapon of the Socialist agenda.

Let's not kid ourselves. This is bad for President Trump. Flynn was a major player on his chessboard. But as long as the screeching left shoots wildly in the air and don't actually organize any kind of coherent opposition, Trump should be alright.
Justice Department warned White House that Flynn could be vulnerable to Russian blackmail, officials say https://wpo.st/H5Nb2

Beyond Flynn, other ties bind the White House to the Kremlin https://wpo.st/x5gb2

Just how high in the Trump administration does Russia's influence extend, asks @DavidFrum: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/02/the-deeper-concern-behind-mike-flynns-resignation/516630/?utm_source=twb

Following Flynn’s resignation, Paul Ryan uses alternative facts to defend Trump http://j.mp/2kGYfal

Need I continue?
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Yeah, those aren't facts. It's a bunch of hysterical nonsense. We are back to Russian hackers now. Tomorrow it will be the KKK or Christian extremists.
Edited by Dr. B, Feb 14 2017, 06:33 PM.
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Dr. B
Feb 14 2017, 06:30 PM
Yeah, those aren't facts. It's a bunch of hysterical nonsense. We are back to Russian hackers now. Tomorrow it will be the KKK or Christian extremists.
Yup you're right, Ryan isn't pushing real facts.
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Feb 14 2017, 12:07 PM
One down, more to go

The big prize is the goldfish
BREAKING: GOP senators call for investigation into connections between Trump and Russia, want Flynn to testify http://cnn.it/2lGWYnO
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Feb 14 2017, 05:52 PM
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Feb 14 2017, 12:19 PM
Leftists may get their wish if Trump nominates Patreaus.
Ain't gonna happen, he's guilty of a breach on national security so after Flynn, he's got even less of a chance, if he ever even had one in the first place.

Then there's most likely more to come, Patreaus too?

Just how high in the Trump administration does Russia's influence extend, asks @DavidFrum: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/02/the-deeper-concern-behind-mike-flynns-resignation/516630/
Clinton did not care about our national security. That didn't stop you from throwing in your towel for support.
Kate Steinle was separated from her family permanently but leftists didn't seem to mind.
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Let's back up. You said earlier that the reason you oppose Trump's adviser so strongly--the first woman in history to mount a successful presidential campaign--was because she opposes abortion.

Why is this such an important issue for you?

Let's get the myths out of the way. Conservatives are going after late term abortions, months after a woman discovers she is pregnant. Nobody wants rape victims or women whose lives are in danger to be banned from abortions. Etc. It's not a safe procedure, and there are thousands of good couples waiting to adopt children that aren't wanted. It should be allowed, but for saving lives, not because the mother would be inconvenienced by giving birth.

I can't imagine having a little human inside me, pushing against my ribs, someone I created and who depends on me to live, someone who looks like me and who will carry my name, and then to tear its little arms and legs apart with pincers and throw them away. I can't imagine doing that.

It goes back to the left's crusade against traditional morality. The media tells us that being allowed to do something is freedom. This is false. Being allowed to snort cocaine does not give you freedom. It gives you a cocaine addiction. When it comes to moral vices, we can't always trust people to do the right thing, because other people's lives are often at stake, and there is an insatiable corporation culture that preys on people's consumerism. For example, we have car commercials that shame fathers for wanting to make sure their daughters have good friends, I just saw that the other day. We have a media culture totally obsessed with sex, and that leads to unwanted pregnancy. We should promote behavior that enables people to be in greater control of their own lives.

This is where feminist culture turns against women. In their zeal to promote more options, they turned motherhood into a bad word. Stay at home moms were shamed, and suddenly it is glamorous to spend 12 hours a day in a cubicle writing papers for a big corporation instead of at home playing with your kids. Suddenly, being inclusive means we all have to conform to the fringe group, and instead of solving the problems that cause women to get abortions, our solutions only cause more problems. Back when women were abstaining from sex, getting married soon after high school, and raising children in a nuclear family, the abortion rate was very low. The same feminists who fought to save a few outliers from the pain of back alley abortions ended up putting millions of women in unpleasant situations where they have to work 8 hours a day just to make it and nobody is interested in getting married.

The problem is a cultural one, and so is the solution. We were raised by a rotten generation. It is time for us to grow up.
#BringWilmyBack
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Dr. B
Feb 14 2017, 07:22 PM
Let's back up. You said earlier that the reason you oppose Trump's adviser so strongly--the first woman in history to mount a successful presidential campaign--was because she opposes abortion.

Why is this such an important issue for you?

Let's get the myths out of the way. Conservatives are going after late term abortions, months after a woman discovers she is pregnant. Nobody wants rape victims or women whose lives are in danger to be banned from abortions. Etc. It's not a safe procedure, and there are thousands of good couples waiting to adopt children that aren't wanted. It should be allowed, but for saving lives, not because the mother would be inconvenienced by giving birth.

I can't imagine having a little human inside me, pushing against my ribs, someone I created and who depends on me to live, someone who looks like me and who will carry my name, and then to tear its little arms and legs apart with pincers and throw them away. I can't imagine doing that.

It goes back to the left's crusade against traditional morality. The media tells us that being allowed to do something is freedom. This is false. Being allowed to snort cocaine does not give you freedom. It gives you a cocaine addiction. When it comes to moral vices, we can't always trust people to do the right thing, because other people's lives are often at stake, and there is an insatiable corporation culture that preys on people's consumerism. For example, we have car commercials that shame fathers for wanting to make sure their daughters have good friends, I just saw that the other day. We have a media culture totally obsessed with sex, and that leads to unwanted pregnancy. We should promote behavior that enables people to be in greater control of their own lives.

This is where feminist culture turns against women. In their zeal to promote more options, they turned motherhood into a bad word. Stay at home moms were shamed, and suddenly it is glamorous to spend 12 hours a day in a cubicle writing papers for a big corporation instead of at home playing with your kids. Suddenly, being inclusive means we all have to conform to the fringe group, and instead of solving the problems that cause women to get abortions, our solutions only cause more problems. Back when women were abstaining from sex, getting married soon after high school, and raising children in a nuclear family, the abortion rate was very low. The same feminists who fought to save a few outliers from the pain of back alley abortions ended up putting millions of women in unpleasant situations where they have to work 8 hours a day just to make it and nobody is interested in getting married.

The problem is a cultural one, and so is the solution. We were raised by a rotten generation. It is time for us to grow up.
The problem is big, real big, bigger then you're willing to admit or accommodate: Dan Rather on Flynn: "Watergate is the biggest political scandal of my lifetime, until maybe now" http://hill.cm/qjWXmL1

"Former CBS anchor Dan Rather on Tuesday blasted the Trump administration’s integrity following former national security adviser Michael Flynn’s resignation.

“The White House has no credibility on this issue,” he wrote on his Facebook page. "Their spigot of lies – can we finally all agree to call them lies – long ago lost them any semblance of credibility.”

“We need an independent investigation,” Rather added. "Damn the lies, full throttle forward on the truth.

"[This] is real and it is serious. Deadly serious. We deserve answers and those who are complicit in this scandal need to feel the full force of justice.”
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Dr. B
Feb 14 2017, 06:30 PM
Yeah, those aren't facts. It's a bunch of hysterical nonsense. We are back to Russian hackers now. Tomorrow it will be the KKK or Christian extremists.
When have facts ever mattered to you B? Hell, you are THE connoisseur of nonsense here at Perspectives. :oyvey :rollseyes:
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Feb 14 2017, 05:49 PM
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Feb 14 2017, 05:36 PM
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Feb 14 2017, 05:05 PM
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Feb 14 2017, 05:01 PM
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Feb 14 2017, 02:45 PM
Like emptying the swamp by putting more Wall St'ers in his administration than any president before him? By issuing more executive orders in 3 weeks than any other president? I mean these are both things you and your comrades railed against when the president was a dem.
What swamp? After 8 years Obama left a swamp? Didn't he eliminate lobbyists from his administrating and from influencing legislation?

There can't be a swamp unless your brilliant lil trainee left one?

Please explain....
That was the exact promise of Trump on the campaign trail. Your avoiding it speaks volumes about your lack of integrity.
Did Trump inherit the swamp from Obama or did he not?
Yes, then he proceeded to deepen it with his appointments of people like Mnuchin and DeVos. Now will you stop dodging and explain why you're so willing to accept his broken promises?
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Feb 14 2017, 07:22 PM
Let's back up. You said earlier that the reason you oppose Trump's adviser so strongly--the first woman in history to mount a successful presidential campaign--was because she opposes abortion.

Why is this such an important issue for you?

Let's get the myths out of the way. Conservatives are going after late term abortions, months after a woman discovers she is pregnant. Nobody wants rape victims or women whose lives are in danger to be banned from abortions. Etc. It's not a safe procedure, and there are thousands of good couples waiting to adopt children that aren't wanted. It should be allowed, but for saving lives, not because the mother would be inconvenienced by giving birth.

I can't imagine having a little human inside me, pushing against my ribs, someone I created and who depends on me to live, someone who looks like me and who will carry my name, and then to tear its little arms and legs apart with pincers and throw them away. I can't imagine doing that.

It goes back to the left's crusade against traditional morality. The media tells us that being allowed to do something is freedom. This is false. Being allowed to snort cocaine does not give you freedom. It gives you a cocaine addiction. When it comes to moral vices, we can't always trust people to do the right thing, because other people's lives are often at stake, and there is an insatiable corporation culture that preys on people's consumerism. For example, we have car commercials that shame fathers for wanting to make sure their daughters have good friends, I just saw that the other day. We have a media culture totally obsessed with sex, and that leads to unwanted pregnancy. We should promote behavior that enables people to be in greater control of their own lives.

This is where feminist culture turns against women. In their zeal to promote more options, they turned motherhood into a bad word. Stay at home moms were shamed, and suddenly it is glamorous to spend 12 hours a day in a cubicle writing papers for a big corporation instead of at home playing with your kids. Suddenly, being inclusive means we all have to conform to the fringe group, and instead of solving the problems that cause women to get abortions, our solutions only cause more problems. Back when women were abstaining from sex, getting married soon after high school, and raising children in a nuclear family, the abortion rate was very low. The same feminists who fought to save a few outliers from the pain of back alley abortions ended up putting millions of women in unpleasant situations where they have to work 8 hours a day just to make it and nobody is interested in getting married.

The problem is a cultural one, and so is the solution. We were raised by a rotten generation. It is time for us to grow up.
You do realize this whole tirade was a strawman which dealt with NOTHING on the actual topic? But the problem isn't loose women the problems are men not keeping it in their pants.
Edited by Tsalagi, Feb 14 2017, 09:49 PM.
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Leftists may get their wish if Trump nominates Patreaus.
Ain't gonna happen, he's guilty of a breach on national security so after Flynn, he's got even less of a chance, if he ever even had one in the first place.

Then there's most likely more to come, Patreaus too?

Just how high in the Trump administration does Russia's influence extend, asks @DavidFrum: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/02/the-deeper-concern-behind-mike-flynns-resignation/516630/
Clinton did not care about our national security. That didn't stop you from throwing in your towel for support.
Clinton is history, we are in the Dark age of Trump.

We must be vigilant and ready to defend our freedom from enemies both foreign and domestic, particularly from those on the far right who would sell their freedom for a loaf of bread!

Congress Must Act As Intelligence Experts Warn Russia Is Listening In Trump's Situation Room http://bit.ly/2lGw4cu

“I think that situation has taken care of itself,” said Rep. Jason Chaffetz on Flynn. Seriously? From guy who vowed serial hearings on Hillary Rodham Clinton?

How Vladimir Putin Catfished A US Election With the Collusion of Team Trump; https://patribotics.wordpress.com/2017/02/14/the-carolina-conspiracy-putin-catfished-weiner-louise-mensch/

Lying took down Flynn, but it seems to be just fine on the Sunday talk shows https://wpo.st/nwib2
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ai1hfUEg1qE

Mike Flynn Resigns (2/14) “Obama AG Commits Espionage?”
"Be polite, be friendly. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet." Gen Mattis
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Feb 14 2017, 09:55 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ai1hfUEg1qE

Mike Flynn Resigns (2/14) “Obama AG Commits Espionage?”
Thanks for the FAKE NEWS, now back to reality:

Laura Ingraham appeared on Fox News' Special Report tonight peddling the pap that "No doubt Obama Administration loyalists who were still working in new Trump government leaked reports of this transcript." which, of course ignores the real question:"What did Donald Trump know, and when did he know it?" Moreover, why didn't the White house act sooner: Attorney General Yates warned Trump and he didn't act for weeks. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/us/politics/flynn-russia-trump-resignation.html

All of which leads us to this:

Intelligence Committee Republican: 'We should talk to Gen. Flynn very soon' http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/2/14/1633618/-Intelligence-Committee-Republican-We-should-talk-to-Gen-Flynn-very-soon

and this:

Who Told Flynn to Call Russia? http://politi.co/2lN7CpH

As Trumpy himself said in one of his own Tweets: "BIG TROUBLE."









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Leftists may get their wish if Trump nominates Patreaus.
Ain't gonna happen, he's guilty of a breach on national security so after Flynn, he's got even less of a chance, if he ever even had one in the first place.

Then there's most likely more to come, Patreaus too?

Just how high in the Trump administration does Russia's influence extend, asks @DavidFrum: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/02/the-deeper-concern-behind-mike-flynns-resignation/516630/
Clinton did not care about our national security. That didn't stop you from throwing in your towel for support.
You need to stop worrying about Clinton and ask yourself this: Who Told Flynn to Call Russia? http://politi.co/2lN7CpH
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Michael Savage noted that President Obama was caught on a hot mic telling outgoing Russian President Dmitry Medvedev that Vladimir Putin should give him more “space” because Obama would have more “flexibility” to work with Russia after his re-election in 2012.

“Was there an outcry by the Lilliputians in the media then?” Savage asked.

“I see the demonization of Putin, Russia and Flynn as part of a campaign by neocons, the intel community and Democrats who want constant antagonism with Russia,” he said.

“It’s like firemen who start fires to justify their jobs.”
"Be polite, be friendly. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet." Gen Mattis
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Feb 14 2017, 12:12 PM
Leftists are so obsessed with destroying everything President Trump does, they miss the bigger picture. It's a very big picture.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/02/13/white-hats-within-intel-are-working-furiously-but-are-you-paying-attention/
No, we see the bigger picture. The problem we have is that with the Trump administration the bigger picture is a poorly executed finger painting.
Trump's agenda, the agenda he ran on is moving along nicely. The perception that it isn't is due to liberal crying and foot stomping. It's like having a single screaming child in a room of adults, the screaming child is all you can hear. Eventually you punish the child and send him to his room where he can pout without disturbing the adults.
Lemonade sales are up?


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Leftists may get their wish if Trump nominates Patreaus.
Ain't gonna happen, he's guilty of a breach on national security so after Flynn, he's got even less of a chance, if he ever even had one in the first place.

Then there's most likely more to come, Patreaus too?

Just how high in the Trump administration does Russia's influence extend, asks @DavidFrum: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/02/the-deeper-concern-behind-mike-flynns-resignation/516630/
Liberals have wasted their time trying to label the Trump Administration as a bunch of NAZIS....They should try to use the angle that the Trump administration are a bunch of deep cover Russian spies....That is a more appealing to conspiracy theorists, because Hitler died 70 years ago and Russia exists today....I should be paid for my excellent political advice............. :shakeshead:
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Feb 14 2017, 09:45 PM
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Feb 14 2017, 07:22 PM
Let's back up. You said earlier that the reason you oppose Trump's adviser so strongly--the first woman in history to mount a successful presidential campaign--was because she opposes abortion.

Why is this such an important issue for you?

Let's get the myths out of the way. Conservatives are going after late term abortions, months after a woman discovers she is pregnant. Nobody wants rape victims or women whose lives are in danger to be banned from abortions. Etc. It's not a safe procedure, and there are thousands of good couples waiting to adopt children that aren't wanted. It should be allowed, but for saving lives, not because the mother would be inconvenienced by giving birth.

I can't imagine having a little human inside me, pushing against my ribs, someone I created and who depends on me to live, someone who looks like me and who will carry my name, and then to tear its little arms and legs apart with pincers and throw them away. I can't imagine doing that.

It goes back to the left's crusade against traditional morality. The media tells us that being allowed to do something is freedom. This is false. Being allowed to snort cocaine does not give you freedom. It gives you a cocaine addiction. When it comes to moral vices, we can't always trust people to do the right thing, because other people's lives are often at stake, and there is an insatiable corporation culture that preys on people's consumerism. For example, we have car commercials that shame fathers for wanting to make sure their daughters have good friends, I just saw that the other day. We have a media culture totally obsessed with sex, and that leads to unwanted pregnancy. We should promote behavior that enables people to be in greater control of their own lives.

This is where feminist culture turns against women. In their zeal to promote more options, they turned motherhood into a bad word. Stay at home moms were shamed, and suddenly it is glamorous to spend 12 hours a day in a cubicle writing papers for a big corporation instead of at home playing with your kids. Suddenly, being inclusive means we all have to conform to the fringe group, and instead of solving the problems that cause women to get abortions, our solutions only cause more problems. Back when women were abstaining from sex, getting married soon after high school, and raising children in a nuclear family, the abortion rate was very low. The same feminists who fought to save a few outliers from the pain of back alley abortions ended up putting millions of women in unpleasant situations where they have to work 8 hours a day just to make it and nobody is interested in getting married.

The problem is a cultural one, and so is the solution. We were raised by a rotten generation. It is time for us to grow up.
You do realize this whole tirade was a strawman which dealt with NOTHING on the actual topic? But the problem isn't loose women the problems are men not keeping it in their pants.
I have little respect when people copy/paste their opinions from propaganda blogs. You know this. I want to find out what people think and discuss the heart of issues. Come up with your own opinions. Don't just copy Jake Tapper. But apparently La Pasionaria is not ready to discuss her beliefs. She is in echo mode. So let's move on to more interesting topics.

It takes two to tango, I agree. Men should be held liable for their children. They should compensate the mother if they are unwilling to be there as a father. As I understand it, a system exists for this. But the fact is women give birth, not men. Leftists are obsessed with equality, I know, but does this biological difference mean that women are absolved of all personal responsibility regarding their pregnancy? Feminists try to have it both ways. Being a woman means they have the upper hand in picking a mate and romantic privileges, but when it comes to personal responsibility, suddenly they can do whatever they want if men don't have the same responsibility.

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Feb 14 2017, 12:12 PM
Leftists are so obsessed with destroying everything President Trump does, they miss the bigger picture. It's a very big picture.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/02/13/white-hats-within-intel-are-working-furiously-but-are-you-paying-attention/
No, we see the bigger picture. The problem we have is that with the Trump administration the bigger picture is a poorly executed finger painting.
Trump's agenda, the agenda he ran on is moving along nicely. The perception that it isn't is due to liberal crying and foot stomping. It's like having a single screaming child in a room of adults, the screaming child is all you can hear. Eventually you punish the child and send him to his room where he can pout without disturbing the adults.
Lemonade sales are up?
Business confidence is way, that's something our Lil Trainee couldn't accomplish in eight years. Didn't Obama tell business leaders they didn't build that? I wonder who did? Maybe Obama thought he did during his years in a drug induced haze? Damn, years in a drug induced haze, that has to do some serious long term damage. No wonder he needed twin teleprompters...
Edited by PATruth, Feb 15 2017, 12:30 PM.
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