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| US changes its policy on Assad staying in power | |
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| Robertr2000 | Apr 2 2017, 02:10 PM Post #21 |
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"Obama was elected president because he was the political opposite of Bush" - That's why I voted for Obama in 08. Clearly Obama was the greatest liar in US Presidential history!
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| "if that **** wins we'll all hang from nooses" | |
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| StillCrazy1 | Apr 2 2017, 05:17 PM Post #22 |
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They want the non intervention where you remove troops, not send more in |
| Ever notice the only 2 people Trump refuses to speak ill of are Stormy Daniels and Vladimir Putin? | |
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| grannyhawkins | Apr 2 2017, 05:26 PM Post #23 |
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I say that big talk's worth doodly-squat
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While I'm against more troops, I do understand that the Donald and the USA wants to crush isis an they need ta be crushed, but don't pull an usurpin moozlum-pantsuit and handcuff our men an women in arms, allow them ta take the gloves completely off!!! I've said for years, I'd arm the hail outta the Kurds, give em anything they need, let em kill everthang an let mohammed sort em out and let em run the whole durn shootin match when it's over!!! Why we still have their loyalty after Uncle Sam bendin em over for generations, is beyond me, but that's how I'd hannel it!!! |
| Endeavor to Persevere!!! | |
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| Robert Stout | Apr 2 2017, 07:43 PM Post #24 |
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No need to rely on others...Dropping a few surplus tactical nukes will send ISIS running to the mosque to pray for Allah..............
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| Jesus can raise the dead, but he can't fix stupid | |
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| Siberian | Apr 2 2017, 08:37 PM Post #25 |
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Out of the Middle East immediately makes the US a (North American) regional power with vacuum in the ME immediately filled by China, since Saudis already sell most of their oil to China so their alliance with China is already more natural than one with the US, just Saudis so far think that the US may guarantee their security from Iran, which otherwise will destroy Saudis both from within (Shias in Saudia, Bahrain, Yemen). If oil starts to be traded in Yuans it immediately starts avalanche of devaluation of dollar with consequent and simultaneous hyperinflation of dollars. I describe it as something fast just to make it more visable, of course it will take some time to eliminate inertia, but consequence of events will be like I said. Besides, the US is a slave of Israel and Israel will never allow you to withdraw, since, as I said, vacuum will be filled by China against Iran or China (which is global competitor to Jews' controlled West) in alliance with Iran. Russia cannot fill it, we're not that strong compared to the USSR and frankly saying if not Western advance in Ukraine and possible conflict with NATO - would hardly need any Syria. And Israel would rather welcome Russia in Syria than China since putin serves Jews not less than the US does. We're for temporary reasons there, while for Iran it's existential battle and Syria defines who will win - Iran or Saydia+Israel. For Israel stakes are smaller in short term since Assad is its enemy but Syria after civil war and partitioned to several entities will not pose a great threat. But still... So, as I said, having destabilized the region the US cannot withdraw without greatest losses which potentially can destroy you, like Soviet withdrawal from Eastern Germany started avalanche of soft revolutions in Warsaw pact countries and led to desintegration of the USSR. All I say may happen or may not but the precedent exists. Edited by Siberian, Apr 2 2017, 08:44 PM.
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| Robert Stout | Apr 3 2017, 04:11 AM Post #26 |
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This Confucian analysis is inscrutable....Lay off the vodka...........
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| Siberian | Apr 3 2017, 06:36 AM Post #27 |
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OK, I'll explain more thoroughly. ![]() In Syria it's mostly Sunni-Shia war, mostlly of Sunni: Saudi Arabia (Sunni Arab Gulf states + ISIS, to some extent Turkey, + to less extent USA) vs. Iran (+ Assad+ Lebanese Shia Hizballah + Iraqi Shia+Afghan Shia + to some extent Palestinians + to less extent Russia). For Iran it's an existential war, if it loses Syria to Sunnis - Lebaneze Hizballah and Palestinian Hamas are cut and destroyed or marginalized, Iran's influence shrinks, while political weight means much if we remember Western sanctions against Iran. If Iran controls half of the Middle East - it's much more favourable environment, let alone Persia must be great again! . If Iran wins Syria it shift its efforts to getting control over oil rich Shia privinces of Saudia, Bahrain where majority of population is Shia, Yemen, where there's civil war between Shia Iran-supported Houthi rebels and Saudi installed Sunni president (and Sunni Southern Yemen). Saudia also participates in Yemeni civil war, so there's actually mini WWIII going in the Middle East, taking in account of scale and number of participants.Russia got involved in Syria mostly to put the US at the table of negotiations after Crimea, as you remember there were attempts of boycott :), so this task was successfully achieved by Putin, though in smaller scale than he may wish. Russian milirary bases are unexpected bonus, which is pleasant anyway, though may be useful only if there's big war between Russia and NATO, otherwise I doubt there can be any use of them, we don't have much interests in the Middle East. The US was first indoctrinated to "spread democracy aka destabilization, then Assad has always been an enemy of Israel and thus the US, again - Iran's influence - so the US as usually preferred short term goals, raising ISIS as a tool to remove Assad until ISIS got out of control, as Al-Qaida before. Israel opposed Assad, but having ISIS as a neighbour is hardly a better perspective, as well Russia, having S-300 and 400 in Syria, does not oppose Israeli multiple strikes on Hisballah arms deposits there, so for Israel Russian presence in Syria is quite welcomed since if not Russia Assad would have to solely rely on Iran and it's much worse an option for Israel. So, I hope you see that for Saudia it's a matter of survival not to give Syria to hands of Iran. Saudis buy US arms for tens of billions and trade oil in US dollars, even if most ME oil goes not to the US. If the US allowes Iran to win in Syria it questions US obligations to Saudia, what is the US needed for if so? Saudia will seek new master. So, the US must not only participate in Syrian war, but to take all provinces adjasent to Iraq, otherwise flow of arms from Iran to Lebanon and Palestine will never stop. Kurds cannot do it - Turkey has already almost left US led allience, if they take more areas under control - Turkey will shift to Assad's side. As well Iraq, semi-controlled by the US - will be even more anti-American. So, the war must become more fierce...
Edited by Siberian, Apr 3 2017, 06:42 AM.
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| Goood morning GULAG!!! | |
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| Siberian | Apr 3 2017, 07:13 AM Post #28 |
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So, as I hope, you can see Saudia may search for new masters if the US fails to guarantee its interests. If the US demonstrates it fails - all other alies will lose trust to the US, and if China wishes - it can take at least half of them, except Japan, Israel and some parts of Europe maybe. As well China is already the biggest World economy, since 2016 it is the biggest World exporter. Yuan has inadequately low presence in the World trade and financial markets due to certain inertia and share of US allies preferring US currency. The EU is collapsing, so, if oil producers shift their trade to Yuan - it will just destroy the Dollar. Edited by Siberian, Apr 3 2017, 07:14 AM.
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| Goood morning GULAG!!! | |
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| grannyhawkins | Apr 3 2017, 08:41 PM Post #29 |
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I say that big talk's worth doodly-squat
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Have ta say, even though I'm not totally up ta speed on all the goings on and I've read your following posts, I agree with this one for sure and the others seem to make a lot of sense. At least in my mind, you have a pretty good handle on the whole game of "Risk"!!!
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| Che On The Rocks | Apr 5 2017, 04:14 AM Post #30 |
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Scores reported killed in gas attack on Syrian rebel area
A man carries the body of a dead child, after what rescue workers described as a suspected gas attack in the town of Khan Sheikhoun in rebel-held Idlib, Syria April 4, 2017. REUTERS/Ammar Abdullah Trump blames Assad for deadly chemical attack in Syria, U.S. under pressure
A man breathes through an oxygen mask as another one receives treatments, after what rescue workers described as a suspected gas attack in the town of Khan Sheikhoun in rebel-held Idlib, Syria April 4, 2017. REUTERS/Ammar Abdullah Syria chemical 'attack': Russia blames rebel weapons
![]() Witnesses said clinics treating the wounded were subject to air strikes |
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| Che On The Rocks | Apr 5 2017, 06:57 AM Post #31 |
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Russia denies Assad to blame for chemical attack, on course for collision with Trump
A crater is seen at the site of an airstrike, after what rescue workers described as a suspected gas attack in the town of Khan Sheikhoun in rebel-held Idlib, Syria April 4, 2017. REUTERS/Ammar Abdullah |
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