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No question Russia meddled in election, US ambassador says; Republicans abandoning last month's talking points
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Topic Started: Apr 2 2017, 10:45 AM (1,075 Views)
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The incredulity of Trump fans over the Russia issue is understandable. In their partisan fervor, they have overlooked the facts and proceeded on the assumption that the Russian interference was done by one-at-a-time altering of ballots cast, the classic and now obsolete technique of stealing a election. Those hanging chads in Florida in the year 2000 were the last pre-modern instance such instance of direct ballot issues.
There is another important point in the Russia scandal that Trump fans overlook: there is a legal difference between an American citizen exercising First Amendment rights with political speech however misinformed, and organized activity by a foreign power to influence an American election. An American can give the candidate of his choice a cash contribution, a foreign citizen may not do so under our laws. Similarly, an American organization can put out paid TV ads and posts on social media in order to help the campaign of the candidate of its choice. A foreign government, bank or corporation is prevented from such participation.
Now, the sticky part comes when these two paths cross. An American can try to influence an election on his own, but an American who acts to do so in concert with a foreign power is acting as the agent of that power in breaking the law. Being paid to post for a foreign government is evidence of such illegal collusion. Posting at the request of a foreign government in exchange for a favorable business deal is similarly against the law.
Trump and his key staffers are clearly tip-toeing on the edge of some pretty nasty charges. We don't know if they crossed the line. It might help Trump defenders here if they knew what the line was and where it is. Just sayin'
The problem is the left lacks any substantial evidence of Russian collusion or intervention. Any evidence there is is still within the scope of the investigation and thus..evidence is not available to the public until it is presented in a report, hearing or trial. As much as the narrative of the "left" is speculation, so it is speculation on your narrative regarding Trump administration's innocence. Innocent until proven guilty. I agree absolutely. No one has been convicted. As of this post, no one has even been charged. We are in the preliminary investigation stage. From what we know so far, investigation is warranted. We need to let justice run its course. Then we'll know. Meanwhile, let's calm down and see where it goes.
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The incredulity of Trump fans over the Russia issue is understandable. In their partisan fervor, they have overlooked the facts and proceeded on the assumption that the Russian interference was done by one-at-a-time altering of ballots cast, the classic and now obsolete technique of stealing a election. Those hanging chads in Florida in the year 2000 were the last pre-modern instance such instance of direct ballot issues.
There is another important point in the Russia scandal that Trump fans overlook: there is a legal difference between an American citizen exercising First Amendment rights with political speech however misinformed, and organized activity by a foreign power to influence an American election. An American can give the candidate of his choice a cash contribution, a foreign citizen may not do so under our laws. Similarly, an American organization can put out paid TV ads and posts on social media in order to help the campaign of the candidate of its choice. A foreign government, bank or corporation is prevented from such participation.
Now, the sticky part comes when these two paths cross. An American can try to influence an election on his own, but an American who acts to do so in concert with a foreign power is acting as the agent of that power in breaking the law. Being paid to post for a foreign government is evidence of such illegal collusion. Posting at the request of a foreign government in exchange for a favorable business deal is similarly against the law.
Trump and his key staffers are clearly tip-toeing on the edge of some pretty nasty charges. We don't know if they crossed the line. It might help Trump defenders here if they knew what the line was and where it is. Just sayin'
The problem is the left lacks any substantial evidence of Russian collusion or intervention. Any evidence there is is still within the scope of the investigation and thus..evidence is not available to the public until it is presented in a report, hearing or trial. As much as the narrative of the "left" is speculation, so it is speculation on your narrative regarding Trump administration's innocence. Innocent until proven guilty. A valid sentiment though dubiously hollow coming from you, Mr. " I believe every half baked accusation/conspiracy I see on the internet about Obama by virtue of me being 'awake' ".
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The incredulity of Trump fans over the Russia issue is understandable. In their partisan fervor, they have overlooked the facts and proceeded on the assumption that the Russian interference was done by one-at-a-time altering of ballots cast, the classic and now obsolete technique of stealing a election. Those hanging chads in Florida in the year 2000 were the last pre-modern instance such instance of direct ballot issues.
There is another important point in the Russia scandal that Trump fans overlook: there is a legal difference between an American citizen exercising First Amendment rights with political speech however misinformed, and organized activity by a foreign power to influence an American election. An American can give the candidate of his choice a cash contribution, a foreign citizen may not do so under our laws. Similarly, an American organization can put out paid TV ads and posts on social media in order to help the campaign of the candidate of its choice. A foreign government, bank or corporation is prevented from such participation.
Now, the sticky part comes when these two paths cross. An American can try to influence an election on his own, but an American who acts to do so in concert with a foreign power is acting as the agent of that power in breaking the law. Being paid to post for a foreign government is evidence of such illegal collusion. Posting at the request of a foreign government in exchange for a favorable business deal is similarly against the law.
Trump and his key staffers are clearly tip-toeing on the edge of some pretty nasty charges. We don't know if they crossed the line. It might help Trump defenders here if they knew what the line was and where it is. Just sayin'
The problem is the left lacks any substantial evidence of Russian collusion or intervention. Any evidence there is is still within the scope of the investigation and thus..evidence is not available to the public until it is presented in a report, hearing or trial. As much as the narrative of the "left" is speculation, so it is speculation on your narrative regarding Trump administration's innocence. Innocent until proven guilty. A valid sentiment though dubiously hollow coming from you, Mr. " I believe every half baked accusation/conspiracy I see on the internet about Obama by virtue of me being 'awake' ". Oh that's rich coming from you Flat-Earther.
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The incredulity of Trump fans over the Russia issue is understandable. In their partisan fervor, they have overlooked the facts and proceeded on the assumption that the Russian interference was done by one-at-a-time altering of ballots cast, the classic and now obsolete technique of stealing a election. Those hanging chads in Florida in the year 2000 were the last pre-modern instance such instance of direct ballot issues.
There is another important point in the Russia scandal that Trump fans overlook: there is a legal difference between an American citizen exercising First Amendment rights with political speech however misinformed, and organized activity by a foreign power to influence an American election. An American can give the candidate of his choice a cash contribution, a foreign citizen may not do so under our laws. Similarly, an American organization can put out paid TV ads and posts on social media in order to help the campaign of the candidate of its choice. A foreign government, bank or corporation is prevented from such participation.
Now, the sticky part comes when these two paths cross. An American can try to influence an election on his own, but an American who acts to do so in concert with a foreign power is acting as the agent of that power in breaking the law. Being paid to post for a foreign government is evidence of such illegal collusion. Posting at the request of a foreign government in exchange for a favorable business deal is similarly against the law.
Trump and his key staffers are clearly tip-toeing on the edge of some pretty nasty charges. We don't know if they crossed the line. It might help Trump defenders here if they knew what the line was and where it is. Just sayin'
The problem is the left lacks any substantial evidence of Russian collusion or intervention.
All the evidence ^^^ isn't in. From the bits and pieces made public so far, we do have a clear record of an amazing number of communications between the Trump team, including Trump himself, and Russian diplomats, bankers and shady guys, all of whom have documented connections to the Russian policy of Info War. We know that on several occasions, the future policy of the Trump administration on the sanctions imposed on Russia because of the Ukraine crisis, were discussed. That's getting awfully close to the quid pro quo agreement that would prove illegal collaboration. There is more, a lot more; what will come out in a serious investigation we can only surmise at this point, but we do know that Russia implemented a planned program to elect Trump and that the Trump campaign did and said things strongly suggesting that they knew about it. That's getting damn close.
Was the Democrats in contact with the British government during these elections ???...Perhaps we need a Congressional investigation of that allegation..............
I am unaware of any illegal act by Her Majesty's Government of interference with the colonial election. Could you please post the link to your source? Thanks History proves that Britain has invaded America (twice), aided the Confederate States, used spies to get us into WWI, and colluded with FDR to assist them in WWII....Their cover up of interference is so good now, they probably won't be detected....However we should know by now never to trust Britain..........
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Your anglophobia is noted. You were asked for evidence of illegal British collusion in US elections. You have got none. It seems you don't grasp the issues involved here.
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Your anglophobia is noted. You were asked for evidence of illegal British collusion in US elections. You have got none. It seems you don't grasp the issues involved here. According to you the lack of evidence of collusion means there is none....Perhaps you should apply that rationale to the present liberal Russiagate...Democrat logic takes one step forward and two back................
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Your anglophobia is noted. You were asked for evidence of illegal British collusion in US elections. You have got none. It seems you don't grasp the issues involved here.
According to you the lack of evidence of collusion means there is none....Perhaps you should apply that rationale to the present liberal Russiagate...Democrat logic takes one step forward and two back................ BAM
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Your anglophobia is noted. You were asked for evidence of illegal British collusion in US elections. You have got none. It seems you don't grasp the issues involved here.
According to you the lack of evidence of collusion means there is none....Perhaps you should apply that rationale to the present liberal Russiagate...Democrat logic takes one step forward and two back................ No, you have garbled the discussion again. I did not say there was no evidence of British meddling in US elections. You have none. There is none. Switching to the War of 1812 is a sign that you've got nothing. No surprise.
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Quoting limited to 5 levels deep
Any evidence there is is still within the scope of the investigation and thus..evidence is not available to the public until it is presented in a report, hearing or trial. As much as the narrative of the "left" is speculation, so it is speculation on your narrative regarding Trump administration's innocence. Innocent until proven guilty. A valid sentiment though dubiously hollow coming from you, Mr. " I believe every half baked accusation/conspiracy I see on the internet about Obama by virtue of me being 'awake' ". Oh that's rich coming from you Flat-Earther. I am not a flat earther, though I am surprised that you have yet to hop on that bandwagon given that it has all the conspiratorial tropes that trigger your "wakey" sense.
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Quoting limited to 5 levels deepAny evidence there is is still within the scope of the investigation and thus..evidence is not available to the public until it is presented in a report, hearing or trial. As much as the narrative of the "left" is speculation, so it is speculation on your narrative regarding Trump administration's innocence.
Innocent until proven guilty. A valid sentiment though dubiously hollow coming from you, Mr. " I believe every half baked accusation/conspiracy I see on the internet about Obama by virtue of me being 'awake' ". Oh that's rich coming from you Flat-Earther. I am not a flat earther, The only person on this site that talks about it is you. A Flat-Earther.
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The US is a capricious child from an experiment in which a candy now or 2 in some time were proposed if a child keeps himself from immediately eating the one put right in front of him - later he will get 2. Either always in Foreign policy, when CIA groomed Al-Qaida and in long term islamic terrorism in general just to achieve a short term goal of creating obstacles for USSR in Afghanistan, or in other cases - the US always sacrifices long term interests for sake of smaller achievement but now. To win elections Bush invaded Iraq - which costed the US huge money and who knows what share of recent problems. Now Democrats for domestic reasons - to put one old lady obsessed with hunger for power instead of Trump - start full scale cold war with unpredictable consequences. It will not be forgetten to the US in general, to Democrats in particular. And I think it will cost the US much, whatever it costs us it will not go unpunished for you, it will have a price.
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Goood morning GULAG!!!
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Quoting limited to 5 levels deepAny evidence there is is still within the scope of the investigation and thus..evidence is not available to the public until it is presented in a report, hearing or trial. As much as the narrative of the "left" is speculation, so it is speculation on your narrative regarding Trump administration's innocence.Innocent until proven guilty.
A valid sentiment though dubiously hollow coming from you, Mr. " I believe every half baked accusation/conspiracy I see on the internet about Obama by virtue of me being 'awake' ". Oh that's rich coming from you Flat-Earther. I am not a flat earther, The only person on this site that talks about it is you. A Flat-Earther. I talk about it because I find it weird that people actually believe it. There is a guy on my FB feed. He pretty much has pushed the same CTs that you have over the years Recently , he latched onto the flat earth thing, spamming with youtube videos with "proof" and referring people who believe that we live on a round planet as "sheeple" and globe gobblers.
All your CT homies seem to be jumping on this. I am curious as to why to avoid discussing it. Have you "researched" this at all?
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The incredulity of Trump fans over the Russia issue is understandable. In their partisan fervor, they have overlooked the facts and proceeded on the assumption that the Russian interference was done by one-at-a-time altering of ballots cast, the classic and now obsolete technique of stealing a election. Those hanging chads in Florida in the year 2000 were the last pre-modern instance such instance of direct ballot issues.
There is another important point in the Russia scandal that Trump fans overlook: there is a legal difference between an American citizen exercising First Amendment rights with political speech however misinformed, and organized activity by a foreign power to influence an American election. An American can give the candidate of his choice a cash contribution, a foreign citizen may not do so under our laws. Similarly, an American organization can put out paid TV ads and posts on social media in order to help the campaign of the candidate of its choice. A foreign government, bank or corporation is prevented from such participation.
Now, the sticky part comes when these two paths cross. An American can try to influence an election on his own, but an American who acts to do so in concert with a foreign power is acting as the agent of that power in breaking the law. Being paid to post for a foreign government is evidence of such illegal collusion. Posting at the request of a foreign government in exchange for a favorable business deal is similarly against the law.
Trump and his key staffers are clearly tip-toeing on the edge of some pretty nasty charges. We don't know if they crossed the line. It might help Trump defenders here if they knew what the line was and where it is. Just sayin'
The problem is the left lacks any substantial evidence of Russian collusion or intervention. Any evidence there is is still within the scope of the investigation and thus..evidence is not available to the public until it is presented in a report, hearing or trial. As much as the narrative of the "left" is speculation, so it is speculation on your narrative regarding Trump administration's innocence. I only imply trump's innocence because he hasn't been proven guilty - in a rational world.
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The incredulity of Trump fans over the Russia issue is understandable. In their partisan fervor, they have overlooked the facts and proceeded on the assumption that the Russian interference was done by one-at-a-time altering of ballots cast, the classic and now obsolete technique of stealing a election. Those hanging chads in Florida in the year 2000 were the last pre-modern instance such instance of direct ballot issues.
There is another important point in the Russia scandal that Trump fans overlook: there is a legal difference between an American citizen exercising First Amendment rights with political speech however misinformed, and organized activity by a foreign power to influence an American election. An American can give the candidate of his choice a cash contribution, a foreign citizen may not do so under our laws. Similarly, an American organization can put out paid TV ads and posts on social media in order to help the campaign of the candidate of its choice. A foreign government, bank or corporation is prevented from such participation.
Now, the sticky part comes when these two paths cross. An American can try to influence an election on his own, but an American who acts to do so in concert with a foreign power is acting as the agent of that power in breaking the law. Being paid to post for a foreign government is evidence of such illegal collusion. Posting at the request of a foreign government in exchange for a favorable business deal is similarly against the law.
Trump and his key staffers are clearly tip-toeing on the edge of some pretty nasty charges. We don't know if they crossed the line. It might help Trump defenders here if they knew what the line was and where it is. Just sayin'
The problem is the left lacks any substantial evidence of Russian collusion or intervention. Any evidence there is is still within the scope of the investigation and thus..evidence is not available to the public until it is presented in a report, hearing or trial. As much as the narrative of the "left" is speculation, so it is speculation on your narrative regarding Trump administration's innocence.
I only imply trump's innocence because he hasn't been proven guilty - in a rational world. You imply his innocence because of your bias. You certainly do not take the same posture if the accused is someone you disagree with politically. You have a lot invested in Trump and it would probably be very demoralizing for you if he were to faceplant bigly due to ethical malfeasance on his part.
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The incredulity of Trump fans over the Russia issue is understandable. In their partisan fervor, they have overlooked the facts and proceeded on the assumption that the Russian interference was done by one-at-a-time altering of ballots cast, the classic and now obsolete technique of stealing a election. Those hanging chads in Florida in the year 2000 were the last pre-modern instance such instance of direct ballot issues.
There is another important point in the Russia scandal that Trump fans overlook: there is a legal difference between an American citizen exercising First Amendment rights with political speech however misinformed, and organized activity by a foreign power to influence an American election. An American can give the candidate of his choice a cash contribution, a foreign citizen may not do so under our laws. Similarly, an American organization can put out paid TV ads and posts on social media in order to help the campaign of the candidate of its choice. A foreign government, bank or corporation is prevented from such participation.
Now, the sticky part comes when these two paths cross. An American can try to influence an election on his own, but an American who acts to do so in concert with a foreign power is acting as the agent of that power in breaking the law. Being paid to post for a foreign government is evidence of such illegal collusion. Posting at the request of a foreign government in exchange for a favorable business deal is similarly against the law.
Trump and his key staffers are clearly tip-toeing on the edge of some pretty nasty charges. We don't know if they crossed the line. It might help Trump defenders here if they knew what the line was and where it is. Just sayin'
The problem is the left lacks any substantial evidence of Russian collusion or intervention. Any evidence there is is still within the scope of the investigation and thus..evidence is not available to the public until it is presented in a report, hearing or trial. As much as the narrative of the "left" is speculation, so it is speculation on your narrative regarding Trump administration's innocence.
I only imply trump's innocence because he hasn't been proven guilty - in a rational world. You imply his innocence because of your bias. You certainly do not take the same posture if the accused is someone you disagree with politically. You have a lot invested in Trump and it would probably be very demoralizing for you if he were to faceplant bigly due to ethical malfeasance on his part. You mean like the faceplant we saw by the entire leftist establishment in 2016? I doubt we can get a repeat of that disaster. Although there is more evidence now that the Russian meme is hogwash.
after all - how can one go from:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/23/politics/adam-schiff-trump-russia-grand-jury/
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/04/02/adam_schiff_there_is_no_definitive_proof_of_any_trump-russia_connection.html
If the Russian meme goes belly up then that faceplant might rival the one we saw last November.
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Quoting limited to 5 levels deep
Any evidence there is is still within the scope of the investigation and thus..evidence is not available to the public until it is presented in a report, hearing or trial. As much as the narrative of the "left" is speculation, so it is speculation on your narrative regarding Trump administration's innocence.
I only imply trump's innocence because he hasn't been proven guilty - in a rational world. You imply his innocence because of your bias. You certainly do not take the same posture if the accused is someone you disagree with politically. You have a lot invested in Trump and it would probably be very demoralizing for you if he were to faceplant bigly due to ethical malfeasance on his part.
You mean like the faceplant we saw by the entire leftist establishment in 2016? I doubt we can get a repeat of that disaster. Although there is more evidence now that the Russian meme is hogwash. after all - how can one go from: http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/23/politics/adam-schiff-trump-russia-grand-jury/to this http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/04/02/adam_schiff_there_is_no_definitive_proof_of_any_trump-russia_connection.htmlIf the Russian meme goes belly up then that faceplant might rival the one we saw last November. Geez..that is your "tell" when you are getting in over your head
"yabbut..the dems lost big in the last election" as though you are trying to reassure yourself in the present by victories of the past. Such things are transitory. I recall the same optimism on the right after GWB won his second term in 2004 The GOP had both houses and it looked like smooth sailing back then as well. These things are cyclical...not set in stone as you would like believe.
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Quoting limited to 5 levels deepAny evidence there is is still within the scope of the investigation and thus..evidence is not available to the public until it is presented in a report, hearing or trial. As much as the narrative of the "left" is speculation, so it is speculation on your narrative regarding Trump administration's innocence.
I only imply trump's innocence because he hasn't been proven guilty - in a rational world. You imply his innocence because of your bias. You certainly do not take the same posture if the accused is someone you disagree with politically. You have a lot invested in Trump and it would probably be very demoralizing for you if he were to faceplant bigly due to ethical malfeasance on his part.
You mean like the faceplant we saw by the entire leftist establishment in 2016? I doubt we can get a repeat of that disaster. Although there is more evidence now that the Russian meme is hogwash. after all - how can one go from: http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/23/politics/adam-schiff-trump-russia-grand-jury/to this http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/04/02/adam_schiff_there_is_no_definitive_proof_of_any_trump-russia_connection.htmlIf the Russian meme goes belly up then that faceplant might rival the one we saw last November. Geez..that is your "tell" when you are getting in over your head
"yabbut..the dems lost big in the last election" as though you are trying to reassure yourself in the present by victories of the past. Such things are transitory. I recall the same optimism on the right after GWB won his second term in 2004 The GOP had both houses and it looked like smooth sailing back then as well. These things are cyclical...not set in stone as you would like believe.
 It would only be cyclical if Trump was a typical establishment candidate.
So far he is not and you can tell by the relentless attacks by the ingrown political establishment on the left AND right.
and I wasn't referring to Peter Schiff, rather Adam Schiff on the house intelligence committee. For him to go from claiming there is enough evidence for a grand jury to saying there is no definitive proof is substantial.
EDIT: I get it now. As you haver been told dozens of times Peter Schiff is making predictions in an artificial environment controlled by the FED. Eventually he will be correct - the 20 trillion in debt will come home to roost.
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Apr 3 2017, 10:27 PM
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- Adolph Hipster
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- estonianman
- Apr 3 2017, 09:28 PM
- Adolph Hipster
- Apr 3 2017, 09:08 PM
- estonianman
- Apr 3 2017, 08:28 PM
Quoting limited to 5 levels deepAny evidence there is is still within the scope of the investigation and thus..evidence is not available to the public until it is presented in a report, hearing or trial. As much as the narrative of the "left" is speculation, so it is speculation on your narrative regarding Trump administration's innocence.
You imply his innocence because of your bias. You certainly do not take the same posture if the accused is someone you disagree with politically. You have a lot invested in Trump and it would probably be very demoralizing for you if he were to faceplant bigly due to ethical malfeasance on his part.
You mean like the faceplant we saw by the entire leftist establishment in 2016? I doubt we can get a repeat of that disaster. Although there is more evidence now that the Russian meme is hogwash. after all - how can one go from: http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/23/politics/adam-schiff-trump-russia-grand-jury/to this http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/04/02/adam_schiff_there_is_no_definitive_proof_of_any_trump-russia_connection.htmlIf the Russian meme goes belly up then that faceplant might rival the one we saw last November. Geez..that is your "tell" when you are getting in over your head
"yabbut..the dems lost big in the last election" as though you are trying to reassure yourself in the present by victories of the past. Such things are transitory. I recall the same optimism on the right after GWB won his second term in 2004 The GOP had both houses and it looked like smooth sailing back then as well. These things are cyclical...not set in stone as you would like believe.

It would only be cyclical if Trump was a typical establishment candidate. So far he is not and you can tell by the relentless attacks by the ingrown political establishment on the left AND right. and I wasn't referring to Peter Schiff, rather Adam Schiff on the house intelligence committee. For him to go from claiming there is enough evidence for a grand jury to saying there is no definitive proof is substantial. EDIT: I get it now. As you haver been told dozens of times Peter Schiff is making predictions in an artificial environment controlled by the FED. Eventually he will be correct - the 20 trillion in debt will come home to roost. Oh..I forgot that when in doubt, you often play the anti establishment card. Trump is more establishment than you want to admit. Trump claims to be a man of the people..but where is he every weekend? Is he in the cities and rural areas, pounding the pavement and talking to everyday folks?
Nope..he is at Maro Lago, rubbing elbows with other moneyed elitist. The only time he interacts with the "common man" is at his rallies where he gets the reassurance that only a group butt kissing from his groupies can provide. He may shift the topography with the elite a bit..but the status quo?..he will not change it that much.
You defend Schiffy because he is an austrian homie. You are indoctrinated in that regard.
In the Soviet union, an investigator began working a case about a serial killer who preyed on children. He got all kinds of resistance from this superiors..who thought that such a thing couldn't occur in Soviet society..that is was a western "thing" You appear to have similar ideological blinders on with Schiff.."why, he is an Austrian...austrians are infallible as per praxeology and austrian business cycles." The only reason Schiff makes dire predictions is to scare people into buying his swag. I suspect he got a lot of his game from TV televangelist like Pat Robertson..good racket as PT Barnum used to say..
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Apr 3 2017, 11:13 PM
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- W A Mozart
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- George Aligator
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- Robert Stout
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- Robertr2000
- Apr 2 2017, 04:02 PM
Quoting limited to 5 levels deep Ya, maybe. Didn't change the Election outcome anyway. Not a single vote was flipped. The US does a lot more than "meddling" in Elections all over the world. Hypocrite!....enjoy the next 8 years.
Thank you. I'm confident I will. I just have to get through the next 20 months first.
What hearings ???...........
Senate Intelligence Committee hearings
In all my years following politics, I've never, ever, seen anything as STUPID as this Russian meme, created by sore-loser Democrats, of affecting the outcome of an election. And Vladimir Putin did exactly, ...what? Hacked into the voting tabulations? Really? Where? How? The mind boggles... Mozart Your ignorance does not alter the facts.
The Russians had an effective campaign to change the minds of the American voters. They hacked into the DNC and Podesta's emails and then fed them to Wikileaks with a plan to release them for maximum impact. They changed the flow of the election dialog and refocused it away from policy and to "emails". It was very effective and very well may have resulted in giving Trump the win by changing the minds of 107,000 voters in a few key states.
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Apr 4 2017, 01:03 AM
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- George Aligator
- Apr 2 2017, 04:10 PM
Quoting limited to 5 levels deepYa, maybe. Didn't change the Election outcome anyway. Not a single vote was flipped.
The US does a lot more than "meddling" in Elections all over the world. Hypocrite!....enjoy the next 8 years.
What hearings ???...........
Senate Intelligence Committee hearings
In all my years following politics, I've never, ever, seen anything as STUPID as this Russian meme, created by sore-loser Democrats, of affecting the outcome of an election. And Vladimir Putin did exactly, ...what? Hacked into the voting tabulations? Really? Where? How? The mind boggles... Mozart
Your ignorance does not alter the facts. The Russians had an effective campaign to change the minds of the American voters. They hacked into the DNC and Podesta's emails and then fed them to Wikileaks with a plan to release them for maximum impact. They changed the flow of the election dialog and refocused it away from policy and to "emails". It was very effective and very well may have resulted in giving Trump the win by changing the minds of 107,000 voters in a few key states. There is still no actual hard evidence that the Waskily Wussians did anything. Apart from some electronic signatures that some hacker in outback Australia could have used. And with what is coming out, it could have been Obarmy's CIA.
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