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No question Russia meddled in election, US ambassador says; Republicans abandoning last month's talking points
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Quoting limited to 5 levels deepAny evidence there is is still within the scope of the investigation and thus..evidence is not available to the public until it is presented in a report, hearing or trial. As much as the narrative of the "left" is speculation, so it is speculation on your narrative regarding Trump administration's innocence.You imply his innocence because of your bias. You certainly do not take the same posture if the accused is someone you disagree with politically. You have a lot invested in Trump and it would probably be very demoralizing for you if he were to faceplant bigly due to ethical malfeasance on his part.
You mean like the faceplant we saw by the entire leftist establishment in 2016? I doubt we can get a repeat of that disaster. Although there is more evidence now that the Russian meme is hogwash. after all - how can one go from: http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/23/politics/adam-schiff-trump-russia-grand-jury/to this http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/04/02/adam_schiff_there_is_no_definitive_proof_of_any_trump-russia_connection.htmlIf the Russian meme goes belly up then that faceplant might rival the one we saw last November. Geez..that is your "tell" when you are getting in over your head
"yabbut..the dems lost big in the last election" as though you are trying to reassure yourself in the present by victories of the past. Such things are transitory. I recall the same optimism on the right after GWB won his second term in 2004 The GOP had both houses and it looked like smooth sailing back then as well. These things are cyclical...not set in stone as you would like believe.

It would only be cyclical if Trump was a typical establishment candidate. So far he is not and you can tell by the relentless attacks by the ingrown political establishment on the left AND right. and I wasn't referring to Peter Schiff, rather Adam Schiff on the house intelligence committee. For him to go from claiming there is enough evidence for a grand jury to saying there is no definitive proof is substantial. EDIT: I get it now. As you haver been told dozens of times Peter Schiff is making predictions in an artificial environment controlled by the FED. Eventually he will be correct - the 20 trillion in debt will come home to roost. Oh..I forgot that when in doubt, you often play the anti establishment card. Trump is more establishment than you want to admit. Trump claims to be a man of the people..but where is he every weekend? Is he in the cities and rural areas, pounding the pavement and talking to everyday folks?
Nope..he is at Maro Lago, rubbing elbows with other moneyed elitist. The only time he interacts with the "common man" is at his rallies where he gets the reassurance that only a group butt kissing from his groupies can provide. He may shift the topography with the elite a bit..but the status quo?..he will not change it that much.
You defend Schiffy because he is an austrian homie. You are indoctrinated in that regard.
In the Soviet union, an investigator began working a case about a serial killer who preyed on children. He got all kinds of resistance from this superiors..who thought that such a thing couldn't occur in Soviet society..that is was a western "thing" You appear to have similar ideological blinders on with Schiff.."why, he is an Austrian...austrians are infallible as per praxeology and austrian business cycles." The only reason Schiff makes dire predictions is to scare people into buying his swag. I suspect he got a lot of his game from TV televangelist like Pat Robertson..good racket as PT Barnum used to say.. I disagree. If trump was part of the political establishment he wouldn't be pummeled by the old guard in both parties.
Just because he is rich doesn't prove your point.
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Quoting limited to 5 levels deepYa, maybe. Didn't change the Election outcome anyway. Not a single vote was flipped.
The US does a lot more than "meddling" in Elections all over the world. Hypocrite!....enjoy the next 8 years.
What hearings ???...........
Senate Intelligence Committee hearings
In all my years following politics, I've never, ever, seen anything as STUPID as this Russian meme, created by sore-loser Democrats, of affecting the outcome of an election. And Vladimir Putin did exactly, ...what? Hacked into the voting tabulations? Really? Where? How? The mind boggles... Mozart
Your ignorance does not alter the facts. The Russians had an effective campaign to change the minds of the American voters. They hacked into the DNC and Podesta's emails and then fed them to Wikileaks with a plan to release them for maximum impact. They changed the flow of the election dialog and refocused it away from policy and to "emails". It was very effective and very well may have resulted in giving Trump the win by changing the minds of 107,000 voters in a few key states. Sure - because Hillary would have started WW3.
Still doesn't mean that anything illegal happened and the content of Wikileaks was certainly legitimate.
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Quoting limited to 5 levels deepYa, maybe. Didn't change the Election outcome anyway. Not a single vote was flipped.
The US does a lot more than "meddling" in Elections all over the world. Hypocrite!....enjoy the next 8 years.
Senate Intelligence Committee hearings
In all my years following politics, I've never, ever, seen anything as STUPID as this Russian meme, created by sore-loser Democrats, of affecting the outcome of an election. And Vladimir Putin did exactly, ...what? Hacked into the voting tabulations? Really? Where? How? The mind boggles... Mozart
Your ignorance does not alter the facts. The Russians had an effective campaign to change the minds of the American voters. They hacked into the DNC and Podesta's emails and then fed them to Wikileaks with a plan to release them for maximum impact. They changed the flow of the election dialog and refocused it away from policy and to "emails". It was very effective and very well may have resulted in giving Trump the win by changing the minds of 107,000 voters in a few key states.
Sure - because Hillary would have started WW3. Still doesn't mean that anything illegal happened and the content of Wikileaks was certainly legitimate. Funny thing about the Wikileaks emails, there wasn't a lot of denials coming out of the DNC at the time.
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Quoting limited to 5 levels deepYa, maybe. Didn't change the Election outcome anyway. Not a single vote was flipped.
The US does a lot more than "meddling" in Elections all over the world. Hypocrite!....enjoy the next 8 years.
In all my years following politics, I've never, ever, seen anything as STUPID as this Russian meme, created by sore-loser Democrats, of affecting the outcome of an election. And Vladimir Putin did exactly, ...what? Hacked into the voting tabulations? Really? Where? How? The mind boggles... Mozart
Your ignorance does not alter the facts. The Russians had an effective campaign to change the minds of the American voters. They hacked into the DNC and Podesta's emails and then fed them to Wikileaks with a plan to release them for maximum impact. They changed the flow of the election dialog and refocused it away from policy and to "emails". It was very effective and very well may have resulted in giving Trump the win by changing the minds of 107,000 voters in a few key states.
Sure - because Hillary would have started WW3. Still doesn't mean that anything illegal happened and the content of Wikileaks was certainly legitimate.
Funny thing about the Wikileaks emails, there wasn't a lot of denials coming out of the DNC at the time. In fact thats when the hacking narrative began.
They know that Wikileaks is 100% accurate.
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Quoting limited to 5 levels deepYa, maybe. Didn't change the Election outcome anyway. Not a single vote was flipped.
The US does a lot more than "meddling" in Elections all over the world. Hypocrite!....enjoy the next 8 years.
Your ignorance does not alter the facts. The Russians had an effective campaign to change the minds of the American voters. They hacked into the DNC and Podesta's emails and then fed them to Wikileaks with a plan to release them for maximum impact. They changed the flow of the election dialog and refocused it away from policy and to "emails". It was very effective and very well may have resulted in giving Trump the win by changing the minds of 107,000 voters in a few key states.
Sure - because Hillary would have started WW3. Still doesn't mean that anything illegal happened and the content of Wikileaks was certainly legitimate.
Funny thing about the Wikileaks emails, there wasn't a lot of denials coming out of the DNC at the time.
In fact thats when the hacking narrative began. They know that Wikileaks is 100% accurate. Please refrain from using the words "fact or facts" It may offend some of our liberals friends.
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Quoting limited to 5 levels deepYa, maybe. Didn't change the Election outcome anyway. Not a single vote was flipped.
The US does a lot more than "meddling" in Elections all over the world. Hypocrite!....enjoy the next 8 years.
What hearings ???...........
Senate Intelligence Committee hearings
In all my years following politics, I've never, ever, seen anything as STUPID as this Russian meme, created by sore-loser Democrats, of affecting the outcome of an election. And Vladimir Putin did exactly, ...what? Hacked into the voting tabulations? Really? Where? How? The mind boggles... Mozart
Your ignorance does not alter the facts. The Russians had an effective campaign to change the minds of the American voters. They hacked into the DNC and Podesta's emails and then fed them to Wikileaks with a plan to release them for maximum impact. They changed the flow of the election dialog and refocused it away from policy and to "emails". It was very effective and very well may have resulted in giving Trump the win by changing the minds of 107,000 voters in a few key states. If what you say is correct, perhaps the Russians got Obama nominated and elected in 2008....Russia doesn't like Hillary or McCain.....Why aren't the Democrats screaming about Russia selecting Obama as President ????..................... :oyvey
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Quoting limited to 5 levels deep Ya, maybe. Didn't change the Election outcome anyway. Not a single vote was flipped. The US does a lot more than "meddling" in Elections all over the world. Hypocrite!....enjoy the next 8 years.
Thank you. I'm confident I will. I just have to get through the next 20 months first.
What hearings ???...........
Senate Intelligence Committee hearings
In all my years following politics, I've never, ever, seen anything as STUPID as this Russian meme, created by sore-loser Democrats, of affecting the outcome of an election. And Vladimir Putin did exactly, ...what? Hacked into the voting tabulations? Really? Where? How? The mind boggles... Mozart It was created by Trump and Putin... grew like cancer from there.
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Sure - because Hillary would have started WW3.
Still doesn't mean that anything illegal happened and the content of Wikileaks was certainly legitimate. Two things for which you have absolutely nothing but your opinion to bolster, Mr. "You have no evidence".

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In all my years following politics, I've never, ever, seen anything as STUPID as this Russian meme, created by sore-loser Democrats, of affecting the outcome of an election. And Vladimir Putin did exactly, ...what? Hacked into the voting tabulations? Really? Where? How?
The mind boggles...
Mozart It is sad to see poor Mozart with his mind all boggled because he hasn't understood the dynamic of Russian Info War. He is a smart and normally exceptionally well-informed.
No, Herr Mozart, the technique employed by Russia's "active measures" bureau has not been to falsify the voting tabulations. That has never been alleged by the Democrats, although Republicans have been telling lies about it for several years.
I suggest you catch up on the modern techniques for manipulating voting used by Russians both here and in countries all over Europe. I'm sure it would surprise you
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Wikileaks says no. But even if that's where the hacked Democrat e-mails came from, the e-mails were genuine and simply exposed the truth.
The major networks "in the tank" for Hillary, had far more influence and this is where the "influence" investigation should go.
It was a massive anti Trump propaganda operation
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Sure - because Hillary would have started WW3.
Still doesn't mean that anything illegal happened and the content of Wikileaks was certainly legitimate.
Two things for which you have absolutely nothing but your opinion to bolster, Mr. "You have no evidence".  Are you saying that Hillary did not support a no-fly zone over Syria? Are you ready to backup that position? Because it isn't based in reality.
Hillary was more a neo-con or neo-lib, a warmonger.
We also have the hostile behavior towards Russia, by Democrats based on no evidence.
any of those things could provoke a hot war with a nuclear power.
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Wikileaks says no. But even if that's where the hacked Democrat e-mails came from, the e-mails were genuine and simply exposed the truth.
The major networks "in the tank" for Hillary, had far more influence and this is where the "influence" investigation should go.
It was a massive anti Trump propaganda operation The investigation isn't about "influence," nor is it about anything in Hillary's emails. Federal laws were broken. One crime was committed by Russia in hacking and releasing stolen content. There is no question about that one.
Federal election laws forbid foreign governments from making contributions to candidates in cash or kind. This one is still under investigation; however, collaboration with a foreign government for the purpose of effecting US policy or election results is a serious crime.
The jury hasn't been impanelled yet so I can't say of the Trump folks broke the law. What we can be clear about is what the laws are.
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Sure - because Hillary would have started WW3.
Still doesn't mean that anything illegal happened and the content of Wikileaks was certainly legitimate.
Two things for which you have absolutely nothing but your opinion to bolster, Mr. "You have no evidence". 
Are you saying that Hillary did not support a no-fly zone over Syria? Are you ready to backup that position? Because it isn't based in reality. Hillary was more a neo-con or neo-lib, a warmonger. We also have the hostile behavior towards Russia, by Democrats based on no evidence. any of those things could provoke a hot war with a nuclear power. Where did I say Hillary did not support a no-fly-zone?
You really are off the deep end, aren't you?
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Quoting limited to 5 levels deepAny evidence there is is still within the scope of the investigation and thus..evidence is not available to the public until it is presented in a report, hearing or trial. As much as the narrative of the "left" is speculation, so it is speculation on your narrative regarding Trump administration's innocence.Innocent until proven guilty. A valid sentiment though dubiously hollow coming from you, Mr. " I believe every half baked accusation/conspiracy I see on the internet about Obama by virtue of me being 'awake' ".
Oh that's rich coming from you Flat-Earther. I am not a flat earther, The only person on this site that talks about it is you. A Flat-Earther. I talk about it because I find it weird that people actually believe it. There is a guy on my FB feed. He pretty much has pushed the same CTs that you have over the years Recently , he latched onto the flat earth thing, spamming with youtube videos with "proof" and referring people who believe that we live on a round planet as "sheeple" and globe gobblers.
All your CT homies seem to be jumping on this. I am curious as to why to avoid discussing it. Have you "researched" this at all? Who believes it?
I mean whats the point of talking about it If you yourself or no one here believes it? Unless..... You do indeed believe it and are testing the waters.
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Quoting limited to 5 levels deepYa, maybe. Didn't change the Election outcome anyway. Not a single vote was flipped.
The US does a lot more than "meddling" in Elections all over the world. Hypocrite!....enjoy the next 8 years.
Senate Intelligence Committee hearings
In all my years following politics, I've never, ever, seen anything as STUPID as this Russian meme, created by sore-loser Democrats, of affecting the outcome of an election. And Vladimir Putin did exactly, ...what? Hacked into the voting tabulations? Really? Where? How? The mind boggles... Mozart
Your ignorance does not alter the facts. The Russians had an effective campaign to change the minds of the American voters. They hacked into the DNC and Podesta's emails and then fed them to Wikileaks with a plan to release them for maximum impact. They changed the flow of the election dialog and refocused it away from policy and to "emails". It was very effective and very well may have resulted in giving Trump the win by changing the minds of 107,000 voters in a few key states.
There is still no actual hard evidence that the Waskily Wussians did anything. Apart from some electronic signatures that some hacker in outback Australia could have used. And with what is coming out, it could have been Obarmy's CIA. No, that train left the station a long time ago. The US has enough evidence that even the stalwarts in Congress who have been briefed now admit that the Russians were actively trying to affect our election to the benefit of Trump.
There was a report released that presented what they could in the open. There is much more that is still classified.
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Quoting limited to 5 levels deepYa, maybe. Didn't change the Election outcome anyway. Not a single vote was flipped.
The US does a lot more than "meddling" in Elections all over the world. Hypocrite!....enjoy the next 8 years.
In all my years following politics, I've never, ever, seen anything as STUPID as this Russian meme, created by sore-loser Democrats, of affecting the outcome of an election. And Vladimir Putin did exactly, ...what? Hacked into the voting tabulations? Really? Where? How? The mind boggles... Mozart
Your ignorance does not alter the facts. The Russians had an effective campaign to change the minds of the American voters. They hacked into the DNC and Podesta's emails and then fed them to Wikileaks with a plan to release them for maximum impact. They changed the flow of the election dialog and refocused it away from policy and to "emails". It was very effective and very well may have resulted in giving Trump the win by changing the minds of 107,000 voters in a few key states.
There is still no actual hard evidence that the Waskily Wussians did anything. Apart from some electronic signatures that some hacker in outback Australia could have used. And with what is coming out, it could have been Obarmy's CIA.
No, that train left the station a long time ago. The US has enough evidence that even the stalwarts in Congress who have been briefed now admit that the Russians were actively trying to affect our election to the benefit of Trump. There was a report released that presented what they could in the open. There is much more that is still classified. The US does 10x that around the world. All the time.
Trump beat Hillary. The Russians nor CNN could change that. Not even Obama spying on Trump.
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Quoting limited to 5 levels deepYa, maybe. Didn't change the Election outcome anyway. Not a single vote was flipped.
The US does a lot more than "meddling" in Elections all over the world. Hypocrite!....enjoy the next 8 years.
Your ignorance does not alter the facts. The Russians had an effective campaign to change the minds of the American voters. They hacked into the DNC and Podesta's emails and then fed them to Wikileaks with a plan to release them for maximum impact. They changed the flow of the election dialog and refocused it away from policy and to "emails". It was very effective and very well may have resulted in giving Trump the win by changing the minds of 107,000 voters in a few key states.
There is still no actual hard evidence that the Waskily Wussians did anything. Apart from some electronic signatures that some hacker in outback Australia could have used. And with what is coming out, it could have been Obarmy's CIA.
No, that train left the station a long time ago. The US has enough evidence that even the stalwarts in Congress who have been briefed now admit that the Russians were actively trying to affect our election to the benefit of Trump. There was a report released that presented what they could in the open. There is much more that is still classified. The US does 10x that around the world. All the time. Trump beat Hillary. The Russians nor CNN could change that. Not even Obama spying on Trump. Well, the election wasn't that simple. Hillary beat Trump by almost 3,000,000 votes in the popular count. Trump won in the Electoral College because of a margin of less than 1% in three critical swing state. The results were decided by a tiny margin in favor of the candidate who got millions fewer votes over-all. The number of voters needed to be swung to Trump for him to win in the EC was relatively tiny.
It is in this context that the massive, well organized and well-financed campaign of fake scandals and fake news conducted by 1,000,000 professional hackers working out of Russia needs to be considered. Their hacking attacks skillfully combined the insertion of hundreds of bots in American social media, software programmed to reinforce the Moscow propaganda by causing thousands of Americans to be duped into repeating it. From there, things get more sinister because we know that various websites such as Breitbart News Daily and media outlets like Fox News and even the Trump campaign itself, took fake news stories directly off Russian TV and news media and circulated them across America.
In a paper thin election, the massive effort of the Russian government to sway voters away from one candidate and to the other appears to have been decisive. Collaboration by the Trump campaign would be a felony violation of US election laws.
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Shut up about Russia. The sheep are definitely on the koolaid now.
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Shut up about Russia. The sheep are definitely on the koolaid now.
We are in an intensely partisan debate in which practically nobody can discuss facts fairly. To be reduced to cut-and-paste postcard responses is a sign of having completely given up. Poor Trump voters! The were ecstatic at his victory, "Ding Dong the Witch Is Dead!".
All those "day one" promises fell apart on day two. Now the poor Munchkins are grimly hanging on, still hoping their thrice-married New York billionaire will somehow "make America great again." Who knows? "Perhaps we will get our jobs and houses back." Ain't gonna happen, Bro.
Instead, their hero-president has ushered in an administration of a corruption and ineptitude without precedent in modern history. Even that idiot, Dubbya, had Cheney and Rumsfeld to run the store for him. This guy has his political virgin of a son-in-law, and that's it.
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Conservatism is a social disease
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Siberian
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Apr 4 2017, 02:51 PM
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I strongly reccomend everybody to watch this movie 
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spinning_Boris
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Goood morning GULAG!!!
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