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U.S. Launches Missiles at Syrian Base After Chemical Weapons Attack
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Topic Started: Apr 6 2017, 09:20 PM (2,631 Views)
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Just so we're clear, you're against going into Syria then.
You don't really pay attention do you? How about you stay out of my question to Neo.
How about you pay attention instead of the Gomer Pyle act - Nneo has said repeatedly he's in a non interventionist in the ME, 'just so we're clear' Then how is it he supported Hillary? And Obama?
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That's really not a good argument for our continued involvement in the ME.
It's not at all an argument for. I care what happens, but don't think we can fix it. - Robertr2000
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Just so we're clear, you're against going into Syria then.
Of course. You really should have been able to figure that out :p Then why did you support Obama and Hillary?
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Quoting limited to 5 levels deepJust so we're clear, you're against going into Syria then.
You don't really pay attention do you? How about you stay out of my question to Neo.
How about you pay attention instead of the Gomer Pyle act - Nneo has said repeatedly he's in a non interventionist in the ME, 'just so we're clear' Then how is it he supported Hillary? And Obama? What do you mean by 'supported?'
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Apr 8 2017, 11:48 PM
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Then why did you support Obama and Hillary? I didn't. I voted against Obama twice, and supported his opponents. In the 2016 primary I actively supported governor Kasich. Faced with Trump as the Republican candidate, I quit the GOP and registered independent. I am not okay with Trump and don't like the current state of the GOP. That hasn't made me a Democrat. I'm not a single issue voter, nor especially concerned with party or ideological labeling. I want policy that works.
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The Russians won't be cleaning up Jack shiat. The Russians will support Assad just enough so that he manages to reestablish tentative control over the majority of his territory, and they'll call the job done. They have no interest in anything other than keeping their client state propped up and access to a deep water port they wouldn't have otherwise. Propping up a strong arm military dictator such as Assad will not "stabilize" the ME. All it does is push the chaos down the road for another five to twenty years. Taking out Assad and enabling ISIS is stabilizing how?
I didn't say that taking out Assad and enabling the ISIS is stabilizing. So you think the US shouldn't take out Assad? I think Assad is a son of biatch who deserves a slow, painful, agonizing death. I don't see it as our job to see to it that he receives that death. Would I like him gone from Syria? Yes I would. Do I think we should be the ones to make him go? No I don't.
It simply is not in our long term interests to continue to screw around in the ME. There is no win to be had there.
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Taking out Assad and enabling ISIS is stabilizing how?
I didn't say that taking out Assad and enabling the ISIS is stabilizing. So you think the US shouldn't take out Assad?
I think Assad is a son of biatch who deserves a slow, painful, agonizing death. I don't see it as our job to see to it that he receives that death. Would I like him gone from Syria? Yes I would. Do I think we should be the ones to make him go? No I don't. It simply is not in our long term interests to continue to screw around in the ME. There is no win to be had there. Everyone is getting sick of the ME. My gut feeling is that Trump will only want to play umpire and will not unnecessarily risk US lives. He is currently having to just hose a few flames down. We now have our newest aircraft carrier on it's way to the Korean Peninsular. This after a meeting with China's President is not coincidental. If I was in Nth Korea, I'd be putting my helmet on.
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Oh, and after billions invested into arming of jihadusts and 6 years of "Assad must go" - the US is leaving Russians to clear the mess...  Besides, Putin was dreaming so much of a joint effort to fight ISIS, hand in hand...  We have an anecdote - a surgeon is making a surgical operation, then stops, thinks for a while and with words "Damn, this was a big mistake, this one is spoiled, I'll start with another one - cuts the patient multiple times with a sculpel in a cross way... 
The Russians won't be cleaning up Jack shiat. The Russians will support Assad just enough so that he manages to reestablish tentative control over the majority of his territory, and they'll call the job done. They have no interest in anything other than keeping their client state propped up and access to a deep water port they wouldn't have otherwise. Propping up a strong arm military dictator such as Assad will not "stabilize" the ME. All it does is push the chaos down the road for another five to twenty years.
it stabilized Egypt, at least for quite a long period, the only difference between As-Sissi and Assad is that As-Sissi is "our son of a bitch" for the US. No, it won't be that simple, now after Syrian war became a part of mini Middle Eastern World War - only peace between Iran and Saudia may stopnthe war in Syria. Unfortunately Syrian war will go on for many more years, I'm afraid, if not one of major sides invests huge effort, money, everything into desisive victory. Which is still hardly achievable. Anyway, if the US leaves Syria right now - ISIS will be revived by Saudia immediately, and many more 9/11 will be just a matter of time.
I believe that if the U.S. stops meddling in the ME that the various factions in the ME will be so busy killing each other and jockeying for political/economic/societal domination that they'll have little time or interest in organizing attacks against the U.S. And I'm MORE than willing to let Russia attract their attention instead by meddling in the ME. You guys have fun. No, as you see islamuc terrorists all over the World immediately claim loyalty to the strongest existing terrorist brand, as well islamust ideology is expansionust, they dream of "making Arabs great again" - to create a Khaliphate which includes all islamic first Arab and then maybe non-Arab countries. It's a new communism by the measure of expansionism. if ISIS exists immediately after stabilisation it will start expansion first to Saudia and Egypt, Libya may be an active offshore branch if it even before Egypt is included while aegypt is hanging on a single hair in this regard, a civil war there can resume very easilly. So, the West and the US will fail to abstain eve if they wish - too much interests and business are affected. It is theccase when to prevent is easier than to limit, having started the mess the US will have a boomerang coning back even if youbturn your back to this. p.s. Oh, and who told you Russia is interested in stoppingspread of ISIS to US-controlled countries? I don't think we will go farer than liberating Deir-Az-Zor, where Assad has an encircled enclave...
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The Russians won't be cleaning up Jack shiat. The Russians will support Assad just enough so that he manages to reestablish tentative control over the majority of his territory, and they'll call the job done. They have no interest in anything other than keeping their client state propped up and access to a deep water port they wouldn't have otherwise. Propping up a strong arm military dictator such as Assad will not "stabilize" the ME. All it does is push the chaos down the road for another five to twenty years.
it stabilized Egypt, at least for quite a long period, the only difference between As-Sissi and Assad is that As-Sissi is "our son of a bitch" for the US. No, it won't be that simple, now after Syrian war became a part of mini Middle Eastern World War - only peace between Iran and Saudia may stopnthe war in Syria. Unfortunately Syrian war will go on for many more years, I'm afraid, if not one of major sides invests huge effort, money, everything into desisive victory. Which is still hardly achievable. Anyway, if the US leaves Syria right now - ISIS will be revived by Saudia immediately, and many more 9/11 will be just a matter of time.
I believe that if the U.S. stops meddling in the ME that the various factions in the ME will be so busy killing each other and jockeying for political/economic/societal domination that they'll have little time or interest in organizing attacks against the U.S. And I'm MORE than willing to let Russia attract their attention instead by meddling in the ME. You guys have fun.
No, as you see islamuc terrorists all over the World immediately claim loyalty to the strongest existing terrorist brand, as well islamust ideology is expansionust, they dream of "making Arabs great again" - to create a Khaliphate which includes all islamic first Arab and then maybe non-Arab countries. It's a new communism by the measure of expansionism. if ISIS exists immediately after stabilisation it will start expansion first to Saudia and Egypt, Libya may be an active offshore branch if it even before Egypt is included while aegypt is hanging on a single hair in this regard, a civil war there can resume very easilly. So, the West and the US will fail to abstain eve if they wish - too much interests and business are affected. It is theccase when to prevent is easier than to limit, having started the mess the US will have a boomerang coning back even if youbturn your back to this. p.s. Oh, and who told you Russia is interested in stoppingspread of ISIS to US-controlled countries? I don't think we will go farer than liberating Deir-Az-Zor, where Assad has an encircled enclave... p.p.s. It doesn't mean I welcome the US in Syria, I am just trying to describe the consequences looking at the matter from American point of view, as if the US brings light of democracy and freedom wherever it comes..  From my personal point of view since the US chose Kurds as its main proxi figure in Syria - it destabilizes the region not less than existence of ISIS, just ISIS has bigger potential. It is hard to believe that the US will transfer Kurds under Assad control to keep Syria united. De facto Kurds will become independent,becoming a red rag for a Turkish bull, to Iraq and Iran too in smaller extent. If the US keeps Kurds semi-independent it gives you a good card in play with Iraq and Iran, but pushes Turkey to Russia, as well it may unleash new millions of immigrants via Turkey to Europe. If the US leaves - Russia will minimize its efforts, I think we will limit it to making sure Iran does't have bigger share of influence on Syria than we do. So, it may be arms shipments and a permanent training field for tens of our pilots, artillery officers and special forces, not more...  And if the US leaves - Russia and Turkey will immeduately make a deal - Russia and Syria destroy US-Turkey-Saudia controlled muxture of jihadists and Al-Qaida in Idlib, Turks destroy Kurds, ISIS gets Mosul back meanwhile and then situation freezes in uncertainty...
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The problem with taking out Assad is there is no backup plan on what to do next, which means the U.S. must occupy Syria until a plan is developed by the GOP. If the GOP can't keep major campaign promises because the party is fractured how can it develop a coherent middle-east strategy?
The fact is, it can't.
Especially considering we have a new president who thinks all he need do is watch FOXNews than start using his Twitter account to solve the problem. Or, if that doesn't work, shoot some cruise missiles to show he really means business. As if that will scare Assad into stopping his mass murdered of his own people. Yes, Donald Trump is really that politically naive and desperate to change the political equation, simply because force, however useless and improperly applied plays well with his domestic audience.
There are no solutions to a civil war that's being fought by over eleven clans, group's and terrorist organizations who are using Syria to fight a war that goes back the Byzantine Empire and 330AD.
And you know how all this was restarted? By George Bush and Dick Cheney that's how, when they killed Saddam they destroyed what peace there was in the middle-east. And the would has not been the same since.
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The Russians won't be cleaning up Jack shiat. The Russians will support Assad just enough so that he manages to reestablish tentative control over the majority of his territory, and they'll call the job done. They have no interest in anything other than keeping their client state propped up and access to a deep water port they wouldn't have otherwise. Propping up a strong arm military dictator such as Assad will not "stabilize" the ME. All it does is push the chaos down the road for another five to twenty years.
it stabilized Egypt, at least for quite a long period, the only difference between As-Sissi and Assad is that As-Sissi is "our son of a bitch" for the US. No, it won't be that simple, now after Syrian war became a part of mini Middle Eastern World War - only peace between Iran and Saudia may stopnthe war in Syria. Unfortunately Syrian war will go on for many more years, I'm afraid, if not one of major sides invests huge effort, money, everything into desisive victory. Which is still hardly achievable. Anyway, if the US leaves Syria right now - ISIS will be revived by Saudia immediately, and many more 9/11 will be just a matter of time.
I believe that if the U.S. stops meddling in the ME that the various factions in the ME will be so busy killing each other and jockeying for political/economic/societal domination that they'll have little time or interest in organizing attacks against the U.S. And I'm MORE than willing to let Russia attract their attention instead by meddling in the ME. You guys have fun.
No, as you see islamuc terrorists all over the World immediately claim loyalty to the strongest existing terrorist brand, as well islamust ideology is expansionust, they dream of "making Arabs great again" - to create a Khaliphate which includes all islamic first Arab and then maybe non-Arab countries. It's a new communism by the measure of expansionism. if ISIS exists immediately after stabilisation it will start expansion first to Saudia and Egypt, Libya may be an active offshore branch if it even before Egypt is included while aegypt is hanging on a single hair in this regard, a civil war there can resume very easilly. So, the West and the US will fail to abstain eve if they wish - too much interests and business are affected. It is theccase when to prevent is easier than to limit, having started the mess the US will have a boomerang coning back even if youbturn your back to this. p.s. Oh, and who told you Russia is interested in stoppingspread of ISIS to US-controlled countries? I don't think we will go farer than liberating Deir-Az-Zor, where Assad has an encircled enclave... Sure we would, because everyone knows that Muslims from the ME always play well with others. The Shiites won't be trying to kill the Sunnis. The Kurds won't continue to jockey for their own home land. The Turks won't continue to try to oppress the Kurds. The Iranians and the Saudis won't be going at it hammer and tongs. Oh, no. These guys would all just join hands, sing Kumbaya and unite in attacking the West. 
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Taking out Assad and enabling ISIS is stabilizing how?
I didn't say that taking out Assad and enabling the ISIS is stabilizing. So you think the US shouldn't take out Assad?
I think Assad is a son of biatch who deserves a slow, painful, agonizing death. I don't see it as our job to see to it that he receives that death. Would I like him gone from Syria? Yes I would. Do I think we should be the ones to make him go? No I don't. It simply is not in our long term interests to continue to screw around in the ME. There is no win to be had there. Ok thanks. So hard to tell with you guys.
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The problem with taking out Assad is there is no backup plan on what to do next, which means the U.S. must occupy Syria until a plan is developed by the GOP. If the GOP can't keep major campaign promises because the party is fractured how can it develop a coherent middle-east strategy?
The fact is, it can't.
Especially considering we have a new president who thinks all he need do is watch FOXNews than start using his Twitter account to solve the problem. Or, if that doesn't work, shoot some cruise missiles to show he really means business. As if that will scare Assad into stopping his mass murdered of his own people. Yes, Donald Trump is really that politically naive and desperate to change the political equation, simply because force, however useless and improperly applied plays well with his domestic audience.
There are no solutions to a civil war that's being fought by over eleven clans, group's and terrorist organizations who are using Syria to fight a war that goes back the Byzantine Empire and 330AD.
And you know how all this was restarted? By George Bush and Dick Cheney that's how, when they killed Saddam they destroyed what peace there was in the middle-east. And the would has not been the same since. We have no right to take out Assad or any other leader of a country that has not attacked us.
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This strike has nothing to do with the Russian. The biggest prize currently is not Assad.
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/real-recipient-syria-strikes-china-050850994.html
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the US failed to cope with Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, is failing in Syria, will fail in Ukraine, Russia is one step from abandoning its self-restrictions, but it's not enough, it wants to destroy both Koreas to make its allies flee the US camp as a plagued place...  Let anone China..
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lol, Putin said a minute ago in joint press conference with Italuan president. - Well, Europe criticized Trump much, now it seems there's good ground for re-consolidation on basis if common ebemy - Syria and Russia. Well, we're ready to be patient a little and orivide this opportunity to our partners, if finally all this will lead to some good results. (Here it is, Tales, the deal... just strange Putin openly announces it, it might be an unasked for favour...). - Trump managed to silence Democrats and domestic critics, but he should understand that if sonething goes wrong all they will blame him the first. - we know more similar (chemical weapons) provocations are being prepared, including suburbs of Damascus, it's obvious it was a provocation and we insist on thorough investigation.
generally saying - Putin seems to be in quite a calm and cooperative mood, though rather giving Trump a credit while being quite sceptical he will succed, since Trump's choice seems not to be like Putin's one.
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US Finally Admits "No Evidence" Assad Used Sarin Gas- Quote:
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Secretary of Defense James Mattis stated on or about February 2nd, 2018 that the United States has “no evidence” that the Syrian government used the banned nerve agent Sarin against its own people in attacks in 2013 and 2017.
The most recent accusation provoked a massive Tomahawk strike ordered by President Trump that was quite provocative in the eyes of the Russian Federation and of course the Syrian government.
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US Finally Admits "No Evidence" Assad Used Sarin Gas- Quote:
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Secretary of Defense James Mattis stated on or about February 2nd, 2018 that the United States has “no evidence” that the Syrian government used the banned nerve agent Sarin against its own people in attacks in 2013 and 2017.
The most recent accusation provoked a massive Tomahawk strike ordered by President Trump that was quite provocative in the eyes of the Russian Federation and of course the Syrian government.
 Trump only did that attack to satisfy the blood lust of liberals........... :oyvey
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