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| U.S. Launches Missiles at Syrian Base After Chemical Weapons Attack | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Apr 6 2017, 09:20 PM (2,641 Views) | |
| Dr. B | Apr 6 2017, 11:00 PM Post #21 |
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Trump better have a darn good long-term reason for this. By all appearances it looks like his is compromised by neoconservatives, has become Bush 3.0. Not good at all. |
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| nNeo | Apr 6 2017, 11:04 PM Post #22 |
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"Has become"? (facepalm) Was from day one. Increase military spending, surround himself with wall st lobbyists, oil money, and loose cannon generals... hard to miss that coming. |
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| Mr. Tik | Apr 6 2017, 11:23 PM Post #23 |
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And they called Obama supporters "grubers"
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You may be a conservative republican..if you are pro life until you get your mistress knocked up | |
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| Dr. B | Apr 6 2017, 11:24 PM Post #24 |
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A few missile attacks on Islamists are not a big deal to me. I'm fine with laying down the law. I hope he goes after N Korea next. But if it comes out that this benefits somebody's cousin's oil company, then yeah. Or if there is a full land invasion or regime change. Then same old globalism. Trump will lose the Right. Most important, I am looking 10 years down the road, and if Trump successfully unbalances power away from the legislature and judicial, which I'm hoping he does because he needs to clean t+he swamp, an aggressive foreign policy will be very bad news. It's how Napoleon rose to power and destroyed France. |
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| nNeo | Apr 6 2017, 11:41 PM Post #25 |
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A central tenant of conservatism has been limiting the power of the executive. Judicial is the least "swamp" branch, since they don't control money. Legislative is supposed to represent the will of the people. "Unbalancing" power the way you suggest is the path to dictatorship, and a historically "leftist" position. Trump is a crony capitalist. He doesn't care about 10 years down the road. Edited by nNeo, Apr 7 2017, 12:34 AM.
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| nNeo | Apr 6 2017, 11:45 PM Post #26 |
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Start here. They are drilling in occupied Syria. Look who is on the board: https://genieoilgas.com/about-us/strategic-advisory-board/ Ask yourself why "we" care what happens in Syria. $95m spent just in missiles today. Edited by nNeo, Apr 6 2017, 11:47 PM.
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| The Inquisitor | Apr 7 2017, 01:25 AM Post #27 |
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Sorry, don't know a lot about archery, but you seem to be drawing a rather long bow on that one? Edited by The Inquisitor, Apr 7 2017, 01:25 AM.
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| Siberian | Apr 7 2017, 03:07 AM Post #28 |
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so, I think you should get used to the thought that I am always right - I never expected Trump to be of any difference regarding US-Russia relations.:)But it's really an interesting development. Since now the US openly threw international law out of the window, I expect Putin to respond in this very aspect - to demonstrate that braking international law the US must not hope to keep monopoly on braking international law, it will be violated in issues vital to the US and against the US. Russia warned the US that it creates the precedent by Kosovo - the response was Crimea. Russian diplomacy consistently acts in direction of strengthening international law and the role of UN Security councel. Because it gives Russia advantages bigger than its present weight might allow but still whatever the reason is - it's a wonderful aim and political position. I expect this to be the central idea of coming statement of Russian MFA.And this aspect is much more important than Assad etc. I expect situation to escalate not only in Syria, where Russians will start induscriminantly bomb US-controlled rebels, and if any Russians died - to bomb bases where US advisers are stationed, but also I expect (or at least hope for) escalation in Ukraine. Now Putin, if not a complete weak idiot and US puppet - has to abandon his hopes for dialogue with the US, what Russian nationalists have been talking about sunce the very beginning of Ukraine. So, now Putin's hands are untied, I wonder if he's really a leader portrayed by Western press. I doubt, frankly saying. Anyway, Trump does not differ from other US presidents who started wars solely due to their domestic reasons, either Clinton or Bush jr in Serbia and Iraq. And of course it will not help him to resist disappointment of Americans - the US is in general irreversible decline, it will happen whatever he does. I think it will backfure very soon, he seems to be really an idiot preferring short term small gains to big losses in future. But I have pointed out that it's a main featute of the US foreign policy in general ![]() Democracy, it seems... you must think of your nearest 4 -3-2-1 years rather than of long time ibterests of the country.
Edited by Siberian, Apr 7 2017, 03:14 AM.
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| Siberian | Apr 7 2017, 05:28 AM Post #29 |
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I would also propose a poll. What do you think, after US made quite a powerful strike, destroying a government airfield for alleged use of chemical weapons by Assad - will it stop or intensify use of chemical weapons "by Assad"? if yes - why? I personally expect new such incidents to happen much more frequently, since if jihadists successfully managed to put the US on their side having used chems and putting the blane on Assad - they will want to repeat this excercise anyway it's definitely not the last one.Anyone wishing to bet?
Edited by Siberian, Apr 7 2017, 05:30 AM.
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| Che On The Rocks | Apr 7 2017, 06:40 AM Post #30 |
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U.S. fires missiles at Assad airbase; Russia denounces 'aggression'
U.S. Navy guided-missile destroyer USS Porter (DDG 78) conducts strike operations while in the Mediterranean Sea which U.S. Defense Department said was a part of cruise missile strike against Syria on April 7, 2017. Ford Williams/Courtesy U.S. Navy/Handout via REUTERS Just a few hours before: Hillary Clinton calls for U.S. to bomb Syrian air fields
Former U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton appears on stage at the Women in the World Summit in the Manhattan borough of New York, U.S., April 6, 2017. REUTERS/Shannon Stapleton |
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| Siberian | Apr 7 2017, 06:48 AM Post #31 |
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it hardly looks like 59 blasts..![]() Russian ministry of defence says only 23 of 59 missiles reached the targets. They say only 6 jets are destroyed, along with bombs/fuel storage, canteen, a radar and the tower. Another Russian newspaper says 9 jets were destroyed, 5 undamaged. here are first photos and videos. http://www.rbc.ru/photoreport/07/04/2017/58e753bc9a794716735481ea?from=main https://youtu.be/OCN4TaOvLF0 |
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| Deleted User | Apr 7 2017, 07:09 AM Post #32 |
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I'm sure Trump will have trouble sleeping tonight because of your reaction. |
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| Siberian | Apr 7 2017, 08:05 AM Post #33 |
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taken in account money spent by the US and property of Assad destroyed, I bet Assad made much more damage to the US by this American strike
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| jake58 | Apr 7 2017, 08:07 AM Post #34 |
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Great to have the RT analysis... and it's always so spot on. The MoD, already known for their sterling rationale that a Ukranian fighter with a max ceiling of 25,000 feet shot down an airliner flying at 33,000 feet, is disagreeing with Russian media about the extent of the damage. Hey friend, Russia has beaucoup SAMs in Syria proper, how come they didn't use them? No one could find the switch? |
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| Tsalagi | Apr 7 2017, 09:54 AM Post #35 |
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Yes, RT, the Russian television's "new cool" version of the old Soviet Pravda print paper. |
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| Opinionated | Apr 7 2017, 10:01 AM Post #36 |
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I'm not sure what to think about this, to be honest. If it convinces Assad to not use chemical weapons, then okay. It was probably worth the $14 million the Tomahawks cost the U.S. tax payer. But I'm doubtful that Assad has learned a lesson here, I think he'll pull out the chemical weapons card again, when it suits him. And now our policy in Syria is shot to hell. We were working with the Russians/Assad's Syrians against ISIL. I doubt that things will continue to be so buddy-buddy. Even though we warned the Russians it was coming so they could get to safety, Putin is not likely to take kindly to our having rapped the knuckles of his client state, which is effectively what Syria is to Russia right now. So, this will have lost us any political/diplomatic gains we had made with Russia by trying to cooperate. So where do we go from here? Trying to support "moderate" rebels who don't appear to have the slightest chance of winning and who, if they did manage to win, would probably turn out to have been secret religious extremists or would rapidly be replaced by either a military strongman or a religious extremist strongman, because seems to be pretty much what happens in the Middle East. What have we gained from all this? Anything? Edited by Opinionated, Apr 7 2017, 10:02 AM.
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| Siberian | Apr 7 2017, 10:02 AM Post #37 |
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maybe because the US did not dare to hit Russians and made everything possible to avoid casualties among our troops? As I inderstand the rules of the game is that you hit our clients and we hit your clients in response, to mutual pleasure. Though I agree Russians underestimated ability of tomohawks to fly - the whole 1/3 managed to get to the targets... Just I hope the WWIII happens not earlier than autumn, I would like to complete my last trip to Europe first...
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| Siberian | Apr 7 2017, 10:07 AM Post #38 |
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RT? Tsalagi, I know that Jake often does not understand what he reads and don't expect much from him, but where did you see RT in my previous posts? It's not Russian hackers, you may directly point at my post without starting "we strongly believe"... ![]() p s. Opinionated, Russian TV says the cost of Tomohawks is $1,5-2 mln depending on options, or it's Russian propaganda? The operation costed the US 100 mln dollars. Edited by Siberian, Apr 7 2017, 10:11 AM.
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| Robertr2000 | Apr 7 2017, 10:10 AM Post #39 |
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This is a major strike against Trump. Still better than having Hillary as President.. I see the Libs here are Hypocritical as ever. No Big Surprise. |
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| Robertr2000 | Apr 7 2017, 10:10 AM Post #40 |
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Assad didn't use Chemical Weapons. |
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but still whatever the reason is - it's a wonderful aim and political position. I expect this to be the central idea of coming statement of Russian MFA.

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