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U.S. Launches Missiles at Syrian Base After Chemical Weapons Attack
Topic Started: Apr 6 2017, 09:20 PM (2,637 Views)
nNeo

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Apr 7 2017, 09:58 PM
We went after Ghaddafi as I recall for actions against American forces.
For support of terrorism, which could be leveled at Assad as well, even genocide.

We would have got Ghaddafi too, had the Italians not warned him.
Bygones?
Edited by nNeo, Apr 7 2017, 10:06 PM.
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Apr 7 2017, 09:55 PM
[Syria is a virtual wasteland with a non functioning economy, they're fighting to see who gets to sit on a mountain of rubble when it's over because that's the kind of s**t these peeps fight over.
Most of them see it as fighting for their homeland. They don't have a lot of options, other than leave, which as we know has been getting harder. From their perspectives "we've been living her for generations, this is all we have, now [other tribe or foreign power] is bombing the crap out of us". What to do?
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Apr 7 2017, 10:05 PM
jake58
Apr 7 2017, 09:58 PM
We went after Ghaddafi as I recall for actions against American forces.
For support of terrorism, which could be leveled at Assad as well, even genocide.

We would have got Ghaddafi too, had the Italians not warned him.
Bygones?
They should have a case for genocide. I'd tell the Russians not to put any of their own security too close to him or it would be on them.

And yes, the Saudis have gotten off way too easily on all this(see 9/11) - we go after Afghanistan because Osama might be there but do nothing to the country where nearly all the hijackers came from. As they pump away their only chip and the world inexorably turns to alternative energy sources, I hope to live long enough to watch their leaders head back to their camels and tents.
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Apr 7 2017, 10:11 PM
jake58
Apr 7 2017, 09:55 PM
[Syria is a virtual wasteland with a non functioning economy, they're fighting to see who gets to sit on a mountain of rubble when it's over because that's the kind of s**t these peeps fight over.
Most of them see it as fighting for their homeland. They don't have a lot of options, other than leave, which as we know has been getting harder. From their perspectives "we've been living her for generations, this is all we have, now [other tribe or foreign power] is bombing the crap out of us". What to do?
I would venture that most of what consists of ISIS in Syria isn't even Syrian. It's a take on the Afghan model where there's a warlord and the paid soldiery and it's all over the ME. The economy isn't very good and it's a steady job while you live. I have friends who still smoke a couple of packs a day, the risk is probably a little lower.
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Apr 7 2017, 09:58 PM
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Apr 7 2017, 09:51 PM
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Apr 7 2017, 09:44 PM
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Apr 7 2017, 09:35 PM
The Trump administration has been noticeably talking a lot to our Middle East allies.
Unfortunately the Middle East has always been a region of some conflict.
I believe that Trump is attempting to get them to sort out their own problems with minimal US involvement.
At the same time assuring them that the US will back them up.
If he could get them all to the table? "doubtful" but worth a try, nothing else has worked so far.
I believe that Trump is attempting to get them to sort out their own problems with minimal US involvement.


If I thought Trump was this stupid, I'd be recommending impeachment. There is simply no point to the isolated missile barrage... unless it's aimed at someone in particular. I mean, is the world going to be a demonstrably poorer place without Assad?
A direct attack by the US aimed at killing Assad would be an act of war, illegal and a war crime. :oyvey
I don't believe killing a war criminal is a war crime. We went after Ghaddafi as I recall for actions against American forces. Really, who's going to be pissed off other than the Russians and only because he is supposedly under their protection.
If you had studied history you would know of the obstacles that FDR went through before authorizing the US hit on Admiral Yomoto
So let's really get Russia directly involved in it, shall we? that's WW3.
This limited strike only showed intent to resolve a problem.
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There hasn't been a single act of Islamic terrorism in Japan. If you support bringing these people in you are an internal enemy.
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nNeo
Apr 7 2017, 09:29 PM
jake58
Apr 7 2017, 09:00 PM
Every culture is warped by these same delusions. It's not an 'American' phenomenon. America has its flaws but in a place where nearly every culture is represented in some form or other, you don't see the continuous hatred of others over marginal differences in their view of God/Allah/whatever. To take Iraq as an example witness the violence of Muslims towards other Muslims over the last 15 years. The Middle East has much deeper problems than some of their oil got taken by the West 75 years ago... and they cottoned onto that pretty quickly. Hate seems to be a natural by product of Islam, hopefully you weren't in Stockholm today... which never had anything to do with ME oil.
Sure. As George said, "our God is the real God and your god is a pagan idol."

It's tribalism, more broad than Islam. Every culture has it to some degree, but some more than others for various reasons. But the real issues driving the conflict, as with more wars, are economic and geopolitical. Religion and culture are good tools for churning up the masses. Money and power are what drive the leaders.

Bottom line is we can't fix that.
Bottom line is our ancestors had enough tribalism to win. We don't.
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Apr 7 2017, 10:17 PM
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Apr 7 2017, 09:58 PM
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Apr 7 2017, 09:51 PM
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Apr 7 2017, 09:44 PM
The Inquisitor
Apr 7 2017, 09:35 PM
The Trump administration has been noticeably talking a lot to our Middle East allies.
Unfortunately the Middle East has always been a region of some conflict.
I believe that Trump is attempting to get them to sort out their own problems with minimal US involvement.
At the same time assuring them that the US will back them up.
If he could get them all to the table? "doubtful" but worth a try, nothing else has worked so far.
I believe that Trump is attempting to get them to sort out their own problems with minimal US involvement.


If I thought Trump was this stupid, I'd be recommending impeachment. There is simply no point to the isolated missile barrage... unless it's aimed at someone in particular. I mean, is the world going to be a demonstrably poorer place without Assad?
A direct attack by the US aimed at killing Assad would be an act of war, illegal and a war crime. :oyvey
I don't believe killing a war criminal is a war crime. We went after Ghaddafi as I recall for actions against American forces. Really, who's going to be pissed off other than the Russians and only because he is supposedly under their protection.
If you had studied history you would know of the obstacles that FDR went through before authorizing the US hit on Admiral Yomoto
So let's really get Russia directly involved in it, shall we? that's WW3.
This limited strike only showed intent to resolve a problem.
So, the Yamamoto hit wasn't a war crime, huh? Thanks for making my point.

Russia is not going to start WW3 over Assad, do you sleep with a night light?

They resolved nothing. Assad is still free to keep killing his own people.
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Apr 7 2017, 10:23 PM
There hasn't been a single act of Islamic terrorism in Japan. If you support bringing these people in you are an internal enemy.
Not yet, no, but there are Muslims there... might be just a matter of time.
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Apr 7 2017, 10:26 PM
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Apr 7 2017, 10:23 PM
There hasn't been a single act of Islamic terrorism in Japan. If you support bringing these people in you are an internal enemy.
Not yet, no, but there are Muslims there... might be just a matter of time.
No. The Japanese elite doesn't depise its history and heritage.
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Apr 7 2017, 08:06 PM
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Apr 7 2017, 07:38 PM
The insoluble problem is that the Muslims of Arabia don't buy it, they never have and they never will. We've been trying to convert, subdue and exploit them for five hundred years. It has never worked and it never will.
True for all the middle east, and essentially why I've long advocated not intervening there, but especially the case for Syria and Iraq, where the populations not only distrust and dislike westerners, but each other as well. Assad had maybe 20-25% of the country behind him when it was whole. Now half the population are dead or fled, and multiple outside powers are fighting proxy wars on top of the tribal / sectarian divisions that go back centuries. I see no path to a functioning state, and symbolically lobbing missiles in certainly isn't going to help.
Exactly so. We can't stop people who really want to kill each other from doing so, short of occupying the entire region and establishing martial law for a generation or two, and forcing their children to be educated to our standards from the ground up. And of course, that's never going to happen. So all our getting involved does is up the body count dramatically, cost us resources we don't need to be expending, and destabilizes a situation that is far from stable already.

This attack? Accomplishes nothing long term, or even medium term. If Assad decides he wants to use chemical weapons again, he will. And as you say, the Russians will now probably increase their assistance. It all seems rather pointless and just doing something to say that something was done. "Look at me, I'm more decisive and aggressive than that big ole' pantie waist Obama!" Great, such an accomplishment. :rollseyes:
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Apr 7 2017, 10:17 PM
[The economy isn't very good and it's a steady job while you live.
Right. A good many of them are from Saddam's army, and they may or may not really care about the religious stuff. They were the Iraqi brute squad; it's what they know how to do.
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Apr 7 2017, 10:26 PM
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There hasn't been a single act of Islamic terrorism in Japan. If you support bringing these people in you are an internal enemy.
Not yet, no, but there are Muslims there... might be just a matter of time.
Japan will deport these people without hesitation if they try to do what the Muslim in Sweden did earlier. Japan does not play around. Preservation of their culture is a top priority.
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Apr 7 2017, 10:26 PM
there are Muslims there... might be just a matter of time.
There were Muslims here for generations, none of whom committed terrorist acts.
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Apr 7 2017, 10:46 PM
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Apr 7 2017, 10:26 PM
there are Muslims there... might be just a matter of time.
There were Muslims here for generations, none of whom committed terrorist acts.
yeah, it was a matter of time...
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Apr 7 2017, 10:50 PM
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there are Muslims there... might be just a matter of time.
There were Muslims here for generations, none of whom committed terrorist acts.
yeah, it was a matter of time...
No. Not even close. Millions of peaceful American Muslims. Zero terrorism. The "bad guys" came much later, from outside, and (from their perspective) in response to US policy.
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Apr 7 2017, 10:25 PM
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Apr 7 2017, 09:44 PM

Quoting limited to 5 levels deepI believe that Trump is attempting to get them to sort out their own problems with minimal US involvement.


If I thought Trump was this stupid, I'd be recommending impeachment. There is simply no point to the isolated missile barrage... unless it's aimed at someone in particular. I mean, is the world going to be a demonstrably poorer place without Assad?
A direct attack by the US aimed at killing Assad would be an act of war, illegal and a war crime. :oyvey
I don't believe killing a war criminal is a war crime. We went after Ghaddafi as I recall for actions against American forces. Really, who's going to be pissed off other than the Russians and only because he is supposedly under their protection.
If you had studied history you would know of the obstacles that FDR went through before authorizing the US hit on Admiral Yomoto
So let's really get Russia directly involved in it, shall we? that's WW3.
This limited strike only showed intent to resolve a problem.
So, the Yamamoto hit wasn't a war crime, huh? Thanks for making my point.

Russia is not going to start WW3 over Assad, do you sleep with a night light?

They resolved nothing. Assad is still free to keep killing his own people.
The Admiral Yamamoto hit wasn't a war crime, because he wasn't the head of government, that's the point.
Russia is not going to start WW3 over Assad? you're probably right?
But why throw more wood on the fire?
A show of force is the first step to encourage diplomacy.
I'm reminded a lot of the Cuban Missile Crisis here.
The stage is set, now the backroom diplomacy kicks in, perfect timing for our Sec. of state to visit Russia, you think?
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Admiral Yamamoto being shot down over Bougainville, was the direct result of liberal actions that day. :hooray:
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nNeo
Apr 7 2017, 10:46 PM
jake58
Apr 7 2017, 10:26 PM
there are Muslims there... might be just a matter of time.
There were Muslims here for generations, none of whom committed terrorist acts.
Liar. Islam is a product of the 1965 immigration act.
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nNeo
Apr 7 2017, 10:54 PM
jake58
Apr 7 2017, 10:50 PM
nNeo
Apr 7 2017, 10:46 PM
jake58
Apr 7 2017, 10:26 PM
there are Muslims there... might be just a matter of time.
There were Muslims here for generations, none of whom committed terrorist acts.
yeah, it was a matter of time...
No. Not even close. Millions of peaceful American Muslims. Zero terrorism. The "bad guys" came much later, from outside, and (from their perspective) in response to US policy.
Liar. Islam did not come on the Mayflower or even Ellis Island.
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