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| Siberian | Apr 8 2017, 05:12 AM Post #161 |
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lol, how fast democrats are in complaining that Trump finally persues their agenda... ![]() US politics is so transparent and predictable...
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| CautionaryTales | Apr 8 2017, 05:14 AM Post #162 |
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Airstrip back up and operational. 60 million for 60 tomahawks Shows over. |
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| CautionaryTales | Apr 8 2017, 05:16 AM Post #163 |
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My post wasn't supporting Trump. It was asking what now. There has to be more because time doesn't stop and events don't remain in place for any amount of time. I'll ask you. You have a different point of view than most of the posters here....what now? Edited by CautionaryTales, Apr 8 2017, 05:17 AM.
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| Siberian | Apr 8 2017, 05:49 AM Post #164 |
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lol, if democratic elections happen in Syria the next government there will be formed by ISIS. I suppose Trump was going to fight ISIS i.e. democracy? and who is going to rule Syria if it is not ISIS or Assad? Though, Democrats are even more delusioned, they as always are addicted to their imaginary world, where Syria is ruled by democratic secular peaceful somebody, Obama tried to create them out of jihadists and now Democrats reject reality after they failed. Again no sutable solutuon. Generally saying - the US tried to play the Global leader having thought the US won the Cold war because the US was good, right and not because USSR just committed economic siucide having adopted socialism. But just in a decade it turned out the US have neither understanding nor ability to lead the World, it not only does not provide stability, but quite the opposite - destabilizes various parts of the World with clumsy brainless policy of hegemonism. And then it turned out that the US economically is a giant on clay legs. It is a full scale crisis of identity, you are in the beginning of it. Americans have a long and painful road ahead to realize that having the biggest toy fleet of carriers does not make you either a leader or even the main decision maker, let alone the only desision maker. |
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| Siberian | Apr 8 2017, 06:04 AM Post #165 |
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lol, quite the contrary, England has always been perfectly understanding all sectarian and ethnic differences and using it to self benefit. Its colonual policy alwas oroscribed to take sone minority as local servant and proxi to rule the majority in a colony. France is of little difference. Take Sunnis in predominantly Shia Iraq, Tutsi in Burundi, Alaeites in Syria, Sunni in Bahrain etc. Most of recent ethnic and sectarian violence in the 3d World is nothing but legacy of European colonialism. |
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| Siberian | Apr 8 2017, 06:27 AM Post #166 |
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It's very easy. The essence of what is going on betwen the West and Rusia is - insistent attempts of Putin to make the West take into account vital national interests of Russia. To negotiate into some sort of UN security councel mechanism not only formally, but de facto. A US/EU sponsored coup in Ukraine which brought extremely anti-Russian forces to power there is a giant, huge, enormous, totally unacceptable red line crossing, there is no chance it will be tolerated and untill this issue is resolved - there will be war between Russia and the West in a form or another, Syria is just one of local insignificant battlefields. Ukraine must be either friendly to Russia or must not exist in present shape. Obama was an idiot if he thought further expansion Eastwards would meet no resistence of Russia. So, Putin consistently demonstrates readiness to negotiate, he pushes the US to dialogue, his pause and no-action after election of Trump was just a period he thought the US might be ready to start negotiations. Now obviously he must be an idiot to think it's possible. Not with Trump, it seems. So, all so called "agression" of Russia is nothing but response to Western agression and invitation to table of negotiations. Every American step away from it will lead to a knock in your nose in a form or another to show you the right direction. I don't know where and when it will happen. As I said, Putin loves making unpredictable moves. Trump, as I predicted from the very start, was of no difference with Obama, he also doesn't understand what World he lives in. I'm highly sceptical at all having observed all of you for some time - that America really understands its current state of things and limits of its power. The time has not come yet and no compromise is achievable, the US is still stuck in 90s and thinks it can afford itself so many things, including monopoly on desision making. It is very dangerous, I don't know on what stage the US will comprehend this, I hope not after its Mediterrainian fleet is destroyed by Russian nuclear missiles after some strike against Russian bases in Syria. Anyway, Trump and the US will be tought lessons, one after another, till either wars starts or the US will finaly comprehend and agree on negotiations on the new World order. Edited by Siberian, Apr 8 2017, 06:37 AM.
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| CautionaryTales | Apr 8 2017, 07:00 AM Post #167 |
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Putin only needs to offer Trump something shiny,,preferable gold in color and with Trumps name on it to own him. Maybe a sovereign bit of land, an island maybe? Let Orange Julius have that and Putin can get whatever he wants from him. |
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| 70-101 | Apr 8 2017, 07:18 AM Post #168 |
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Yamamoto's 'Betty' was shot down over Bougainville because it was intercepted by three P-36 Lightnings. Due to the fact, a small group of U.S. Naval Intelligence experts cracked the Japanese Naval communications code. One of those men directly responsible for cracking the Naval code was Justice John Paul Steves, who Gerald Ford appointed to the Supreme Court in 1976. Next, I guess you'll tell me Justice Stevens was a Republican. |
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| Siberian | Apr 8 2017, 07:56 AM Post #169 |
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I might make a mistake to respond to you in a serious way, anyway, warned means ready, I hope you have a shelter and some stock of food in case the US establishment gets too far in its games... but recent development brought us much closer to direct conflict, I suppose Democrats were advocating this very thing?
Edited by Siberian, Apr 8 2017, 07:59 AM.
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| jake58 | Apr 8 2017, 08:12 AM Post #170 |
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I'm going to disagree here... it seems all so much Monday Morning rationalization. US policies were decades old before these lads happened onto the scene and yes, they hate us but there's something more going on here. They hate everyone who's not like them, even other Muslims who believe in a marginally different Allah. They're trying to take over the ME and attacking us is the best way to show they have the muscle to do it. |
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| CautionaryTales | Apr 8 2017, 08:15 AM Post #171 |
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I have a full larder of "dongivvvafug" laid away. Edited by CautionaryTales, Apr 8 2017, 08:15 AM.
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| Che On The Rocks | Apr 8 2017, 08:41 AM Post #172 |
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Russia warns of serious consequences from U.S. strike in Syria
President Trump meeting with his National Security team and being briefed by Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Joseph Dunford via secure video after a missile strike on Syria while inside the Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility at his Mar-a-Lago resort in West Palm Beach, Florida. White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer stated that this image has been digitally edited for security purposes. The White House/Handout via REUTERS Syria war: US 'disappointed' at Russia's Syria stance
![]() Images released by the Pentagon showed damage caused by the strikes on Shayrat air base Syria air strikes: Russian warship armed with cruise missiles heading for Syria as tensions rise with US
The Russian Navy’s frigate Admiral Grigorovich sails along Istanbul’s Bosphorus on its way to the Mediterranean Sea, on April 7, 2017 Reuters |
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| Che On The Rocks | Apr 8 2017, 08:45 AM Post #173 |
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Iran's Rouhani wants chemical attack in Syria investigated
Iranian President Hassan Rouhani speaks during a joint news conference following a meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin at the Kremlin in Moscow, Russia March 28, 2017. REUTERS/Sergei Karpukhin |
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| Che On The Rocks | Apr 8 2017, 08:48 AM Post #174 |
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The Spoils of War: Trump Lavished With Media and Bipartisan Praise For Bombing Syria
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| Opinionated | Apr 8 2017, 11:44 AM Post #175 |
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I'm not seeing any scenario where our staying makes things better for any longer than the moment we leave. We're going to have to leave eventually and we're not willing, or perhaps even able, to invest the time and resources that would be necessary to establish an interim government so that an adequate peace could be established so that we could educate the people out of their sectarian hatreds and tribal divides. And even if we could, they'd fight us every step of the way because it would just be, to their eyes at least, another case of the Christian European white man attempting to impose his culture on a people who don't want it. So the question to my mind isn't, do we leave the Middle East to fend for itself even though it is a very unstable and dangerous situation, but rather how many resources and American lives do we expend before we leave the Middle East to fend for itself regardless of how unstable and dangerous the situation? We can exhaust ourselves trying to salvage an unsalvageable situation, or can leave now and use the resources that we would have wasted to accomplish something of true merit. It's really that simple. The Middle East is a lost cause. |
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| nNeo | Apr 8 2017, 11:54 AM Post #176 |
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Which is not much different than the wars that ravaged Europe for centuries is it? Tribalism. "MY people are better and should control ____" There are people in the US who think only their people should be allowed in America because "my superior white DNA" |
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| nNeo | Apr 8 2017, 12:05 PM Post #177 |
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I have friends and family there, and from there, so it's hard for me to agree with that, but you are right that there appears to be no stable configuration without a strong occupying power for the foreseeable future. I don't think America or the international community wants to take on that task. Siberian has a pretty good take on the Russian - US chess game. I made up a half-kidding conspiracy theory that's probably pretty close to truth -- we're horse trading Russia's port, our oil interests, future bases and trade deals, acceptance of Russian control of Ukraine while making it clear things west of that are not up for grabs -- this is all bargaining. I'm sure neither Russia or the US wants direct war. We can exchange a few token shots in the middle east, see how the new missiles work, pretend we care about gas attacks or rule of law, and pad up military spending as Robert suggested. No one is really hand-wringing about the Syrian people, sadly. |
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| Drudge X | Apr 8 2017, 12:06 PM Post #178 |
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Did he call for an investigation when Russia bombed a hospital? Edited by Drudge X, Apr 8 2017, 12:07 PM.
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| Kate Steinle was separated from her family permanently but leftists didn't seem to mind. | |
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| nNeo | Apr 8 2017, 12:16 PM Post #179 |
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Iran vs Saudi Arabia is the other power play going on in the background. |
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| jake58 | Apr 8 2017, 12:43 PM Post #180 |
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Which is not much different than the wars that ravaged Europe for centuries is it? Tribalism. "MY people are better and should control ____" I mentioned Islam was about 500 years behind earlier. There are people in the US who think only their people should be allowed in America because "my superior white DNA" other than H4T? not that many, really... |
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