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U.S. Military Should Get out of the Middle East; America is no different from other imperial powers, ensnared repeatedly in costly, bloody, and eventually futile overseas war
Topic Started: Apr 9 2017, 05:44 PM (965 Views)
Attaburnsinhell

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Agreed. We do not belong there.
"...a mesmerized state that makes us accept as inevitable that which is detrimental...having lost the will..to demand...good..." - Rachel Carson
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Theres been over 1000 civilian deaths directly related to US actions in just the past month, as mission creep expands by leaps and bounds in Syria, Yemen and Iraq. The so called ''highly successful'' raid was in reality a botched event where US forces were dropped in a remote village with bad intelligence, yeilding nothing but dead women and children. Reports say when the troops got pinned down by locals defending the village, thinking the attackers were a rival group, air strikes were called in, causing the civilian slaughter
Nearly 1000 marines are now in Syria, an unknown number of BOTG doing covert ops in Yeman, February had more drone strikes than all of 2016
Who's cheering this on? Trump, Hillary, the neo-cons and the corporate controlled media gushing over cruise missle launches
Why and what's the end game? Nobody knows
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Should we allow ASSAD to Gas his own people?
Trump needs to focus more so on the male vote. He should have nationalized the Boy Scouts when they decided to admit girls.

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It would be irresponsible for us to walk away from the ME. We need to keep our footprint to a minimum but we need to keep pressuring radicals and supporting our allies.
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voted4reagan
Apr 9 2017, 07:49 PM
Should we allow ASSAD to Gas his own people?
Not our problem.
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Apr 9 2017, 07:58 PM
It would be irresponsible for us to walk away from the ME. We need to keep our footprint to a minimum but we need to keep pressuring radicals and supporting our allies.
No, we don't.
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Agreed.
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Apr 9 2017, 08:43 PM
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Apr 9 2017, 07:58 PM
It would be irresponsible for us to walk away from the ME. We need to keep our footprint to a minimum but we need to keep pressuring radicals and supporting our allies.
No, we don't.
The old saying, "fight them there or fight them here" has its roots in truth. We've opened that bottle and just because we leave doesn't mean the Genie will go back into it.
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Apr 9 2017, 09:09 PM
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Apr 9 2017, 08:43 PM
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Apr 9 2017, 07:58 PM
It would be irresponsible for us to walk away from the ME. We need to keep our footprint to a minimum but we need to keep pressuring radicals and supporting our allies.
No, we don't.
The old saying, "fight them there or fight them here" has its roots in truth. We've opened that bottle and just because we leave doesn't mean the Genie will go back into it.
No, it really doesn't. If we stop interfering in the ME, they'll rapidly fall to fighting among themselves.
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Apr 9 2017, 09:09 PM
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Apr 9 2017, 08:43 PM
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Apr 9 2017, 07:58 PM
It would be irresponsible for us to walk away from the ME. We need to keep our footprint to a minimum but we need to keep pressuring radicals and supporting our allies.
No, we don't.
The old saying, "fight them there or fight them here" has its roots in truth. We've opened that bottle and just because we leave doesn't mean the Genie will go back into it.
Let the Russians fight ISIS.

There is no point in devoting more resources to a victory that has no tangible gain.
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Apr 9 2017, 07:49 PM
Should we allow ASSAD to Gas his own people?
The issue, in my mind, isn't whether or not Assad gassing/killing his own people is right or wrong - it's obvious that doing such is crap. The problem is with the long term ramifications of yet another Iraq. Of yet another 'hey lets go in because our intentions and heart are in the right place' and yet there is zero plan for after. It's all well and good to go in and remove an evil person bent on genocide, but what about that point after when they've been eliminated? We didn't have a plan with Iraq, and it looks like we haven't learned the lesson currently.

The second problem is that bigger problem. Syria, Iraq, Iran, Russia, Saudi Arabia....this whole Middle East mess is a power struggle. Syria specifically is a part of - in my mind - a larger battle for influence between nations like Iran and Saudi Arabia, for example, and their various national, regional, and geopolitical interests. Do we really want to step our boots into that s**te?


Edit: Oh and that isn't even to begin with the ISIS problem...
Edited by lucash, Apr 9 2017, 09:26 PM.
"...a mesmerized state that makes us accept as inevitable that which is detrimental...having lost the will..to demand...good..." - Rachel Carson
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lucash
Apr 9 2017, 09:24 PM
voted4reagan
Apr 9 2017, 07:49 PM
Should we allow ASSAD to Gas his own people?
The issue, in my mind, isn't whether or not Assad gassing/killing his own people is right or wrong - it's obvious that doing such is crap. The problem is with the long term ramifications of yet another Iraq. Of yet another 'hey lets go in because our intentions and heart are in the right place' and yet there is zero plan for after. It's all well and good to go in and remove an evil person bent on genocide, but what about that point after when they've been eliminated? We didn't have a plan with Iraq, and it looks like we haven't learned the lesson currently.

The second problem is that bigger problem. Syria, Iraq, Iran, Russia, Saudi Arabia....this whole Middle East mess is a power struggle. Syria specifically is a part of - in my mind - a larger battle for influence between nations like Iran and Saudi Arabia, for example, and their various national, regional, and geopolitical interests. Do we really want to step our boots into that s**te?


Edit: Oh and that isn't even to begin with the ISIS problem...
Did Assad even initiate the chemical attack?

I mean - when has the intelligence community ever been wrong? /s
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Apr 9 2017, 09:13 PM
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Apr 9 2017, 08:43 PM
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Apr 9 2017, 07:58 PM
It would be irresponsible for us to walk away from the ME. We need to keep our footprint to a minimum but we need to keep pressuring radicals and supporting our allies.
No, we don't.
The old saying, "fight them there or fight them here" has its roots in truth. We've opened that bottle and just because we leave doesn't mean the Genie will go back into it.
No, it really doesn't. If we stop interfering in the ME, they'll rapidly fall to fighting among themselves.
The mainstream religious might but the radicals won't. We broke that a long time ago. We are the evil west and they build their power base on our backs.
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estonianman
Apr 9 2017, 09:27 PM
lucash
Apr 9 2017, 09:24 PM
voted4reagan
Apr 9 2017, 07:49 PM
Should we allow ASSAD to Gas his own people?
The issue, in my mind, isn't whether or not Assad gassing/killing his own people is right or wrong - it's obvious that doing such is crap. The problem is with the long term ramifications of yet another Iraq. Of yet another 'hey lets go in because our intentions and heart are in the right place' and yet there is zero plan for after. It's all well and good to go in and remove an evil person bent on genocide, but what about that point after when they've been eliminated? We didn't have a plan with Iraq, and it looks like we haven't learned the lesson currently.

The second problem is that bigger problem. Syria, Iraq, Iran, Russia, Saudi Arabia....this whole Middle East mess is a power struggle. Syria specifically is a part of - in my mind - a larger battle for influence between nations like Iran and Saudi Arabia, for example, and their various national, regional, and geopolitical interests. Do we really want to step our boots into that s**te?


Edit: Oh and that isn't even to begin with the ISIS problem...
Did Assad even initiate the chemical attack?

I mean - when has the intelligence community ever been wrong? /s
From what I've seen reported, the military had tracked the aircraft so they knew where the planes that dropped the bomb came from.

As to it hitting an ammunition dump, the chemical weapons explosion took place in the middle of the street according to the military.
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Apr 9 2017, 09:37 PM
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Apr 9 2017, 09:13 PM
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Apr 9 2017, 07:58 PM
It would be irresponsible for us to walk away from the ME. We need to keep our footprint to a minimum but we need to keep pressuring radicals and supporting our allies.
No, we don't.
The old saying, "fight them there or fight them here" has its roots in truth. We've opened that bottle and just because we leave doesn't mean the Genie will go back into it.
No, it really doesn't. If we stop interfering in the ME, they'll rapidly fall to fighting among themselves.
The mainstream religious might but the radicals won't. We broke that a long time ago. We are the evil west and they build their power base on our backs.
They can't project significant power outside the region. Most terrorist attacks these days are being committed by home grown radicals who have at best a loose association with the ISIS or Al Qaeda. And if the ISIS becomes scary enough, the Iranians and Saudis will temporarily join forces to take them down, perhaps with the assistance of the Turks, because their leaders all like their cushy jobs.
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Apr 9 2017, 09:09 PM
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Apr 9 2017, 08:43 PM
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Apr 9 2017, 07:58 PM
It would be irresponsible for us to walk away from the ME. We need to keep our footprint to a minimum but we need to keep pressuring radicals and supporting our allies.
No, we don't.
The old saying, "fight them there or fight them here" has its roots in truth. We've opened that bottle and just because we leave doesn't mean the Genie will go back into it.
Japan fights them nowhere. It's amazing how immigration restriction works.
Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary.
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Apr 9 2017, 09:37 PM
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Apr 9 2017, 09:13 PM
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Apr 9 2017, 09:09 PM
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Apr 9 2017, 08:43 PM
BuckFan
Apr 9 2017, 07:58 PM
It would be irresponsible for us to walk away from the ME. We need to keep our footprint to a minimum but we need to keep pressuring radicals and supporting our allies.
No, we don't.
The old saying, "fight them there or fight them here" has its roots in truth. We've opened that bottle and just because we leave doesn't mean the Genie will go back into it.
No, it really doesn't. If we stop interfering in the ME, they'll rapidly fall to fighting among themselves.
The mainstream religious might but the radicals won't. We broke that a long time ago. We are the evil west and they build their power base on our backs.
Their power is built on liberal immigration laws which permit them to enter the West to carry out their carnage.
Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary.
#MAGA
#wallsnotwars
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voted4reagan
Apr 9 2017, 07:49 PM
Should we allow ASSAD to Gas his own people?
That is up to the people in Syria ...I'm not having chemical weapons being used in the USA........................ :oyvey
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voted4reagan
Apr 9 2017, 07:49 PM
Should we allow ASSAD to Gas his own people?
What would you suggest we do?

Assad drops gas, we'll end up dropping WP, napalm on more civilians. In fact, we've killed hundreds just this week in Iraq and Yeman

Once we go in there, we're there for years and years of occupation in a hostile environment, stuck among dozens of factions

By year two everyone will be saying what the hell are we doing there?
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