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U.S. Military Should Get out of the Middle East; America is no different from other imperial powers, ensnared repeatedly in costly, bloody, and eventually futile overseas war
Topic Started: Apr 9 2017, 05:44 PM (969 Views)
The Inquisitor
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The ME has always been a bunch of fighting cultures.

Fix one war and two more start up.

Trump may be on to something here? minimal ground troops, use our weapon technology from a distance.

I bet Putin didn't factor in the Russian-Afghanistan experience when he got involved.
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Attaburnsinhell
Apr 9 2017, 10:50 PM
voted4reagan
Apr 9 2017, 07:49 PM
Should we allow ASSAD to Gas his own people?
What would you suggest we do?

Assad drops gas, we'll end up dropping WP, napalm on more civilians. In fact, we've killed hundreds just this week in Iraq and Yeman

Once we go in there, we're there for years and years of occupation in a hostile environment, stuck among dozens of factions

By year two everyone will be saying what the hell are we doing there?
If you want to take action you go after Assad personally and take him out, perhaps the guy with the Prince Valiant haircut on the Korean peninsula takes notice. There's zero miltary gain from this latest action other than some live target shooting for the Navy. Politically it has some benefit but I'd rather we not waste 60 Tomahawks on a few points temporary boost in Trump's approval rating.
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Apr 9 2017, 10:59 PM
Attaburnsinhell
Apr 9 2017, 10:50 PM
voted4reagan
Apr 9 2017, 07:49 PM
Should we allow ASSAD to Gas his own people?
What would you suggest we do?

Assad drops gas, we'll end up dropping WP, napalm on more civilians. In fact, we've killed hundreds just this week in Iraq and Yeman

Once we go in there, we're there for years and years of occupation in a hostile environment, stuck among dozens of factions

By year two everyone will be saying what the hell are we doing there?
If you want to take action you go after Assad personally and take him out, perhaps the guy with the Prince Valiant haircut on the Korean peninsula takes notice. There's zero miltary gain from this latest action other than some live target shooting for the Navy. Politically it has some benefit but I'd rather we not waste 60 Tomahawks on a few points temporary boost in Trump's approval rating.
Trump does everything based on impulse. He's already extremely unpopular, the US public is not going to back a war based on half-assed, unplanned assumptions, not after Iraq

Every red flag is going up on this
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www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=668&v=NU2TapgWl-A


Trump’s Machiavellian Tomahawk Kabuki Theatre
Edited by Alt Right PEPE, Apr 9 2017, 11:32 PM.
"Be polite, be friendly. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet." Gen Mattis
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Apr 9 2017, 10:50 PM
voted4reagan
Apr 9 2017, 07:49 PM
Should we allow ASSAD to Gas his own people?
What would you suggest we do?

Assad drops gas, we'll end up dropping WP, napalm on more civilians. In fact, we've killed hundreds just this week in Iraq and Yeman

Once we go in there, we're there for years and years of occupation in a hostile environment, stuck among dozens of factions

By year two everyone will be saying what the hell are we doing there?
If I had the answer, I'd be an instant Zillionare.
Unfortunately the lessons of regime change in WW2 weren't observed.
When bush 1 went into Iraq the first time, with help of the coalition it should have been occupied and governed like Berlin, less the wall.
Now, we are just too involved in the ME to not be involved and all our exit strategies haven't worked.


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If you've studied up on Islamic State's goals, it relies on biblical prophacy that the infidel nations will gather to fight the caliphicet (ISIL) and near wipe them out in the battle of End Times (Armagaddon), when suddenly Jesus steps in and kills all the infidels. Yes, they actually believe this

And, unfortunately, so does a lot of people around Trump, who consider themselves Dominionists, who believe we are about to hit End Times

The lunatics are running the asylum on this one
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The Inquisitor
Apr 9 2017, 10:57 PM
The ME has always been a bunch of fighting cultures.

Fix one war and two more start up.

Trump may be on to something here? minimal ground troops, use our weapon technology from a distance.

I bet Putin didn't factor in the Russian-Afghanistan experience when he got involved.
Mm, to be fair, it isn't just the ME. that's just the current theater of war, as it were. There's also Africa (or was, in some cases), the Balkans, Asia, South and Central America, etc. etc. They all had their moments.

"...a mesmerized state that makes us accept as inevitable that which is detrimental...having lost the will..to demand...good..." - Rachel Carson
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Attaburnsinhell
Apr 9 2017, 10:50 PM
voted4reagan
Apr 9 2017, 07:49 PM
Should we allow ASSAD to Gas his own people?
What would you suggest we do?

Assad drops gas, we'll end up dropping WP, napalm on more civilians. In fact, we've killed hundreds just this week in Iraq and Yeman

Once we go in there, we're there for years and years of occupation in a hostile environment, stuck among dozens of factions

By year two everyone will be saying what the hell are we doing there?
*cough* Iraq *cough*
"...a mesmerized state that makes us accept as inevitable that which is detrimental...having lost the will..to demand...good..." - Rachel Carson
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The Inquisitor
Apr 9 2017, 11:30 PM
Attaburnsinhell
Apr 9 2017, 10:50 PM
voted4reagan
Apr 9 2017, 07:49 PM
Should we allow ASSAD to Gas his own people?
What would you suggest we do?

Assad drops gas, we'll end up dropping WP, napalm on more civilians. In fact, we've killed hundreds just this week in Iraq and Yeman

Once we go in there, we're there for years and years of occupation in a hostile environment, stuck among dozens of factions

By year two everyone will be saying what the hell are we doing there?
If I had the answer, I'd be an instant Zillionare.
Unfortunately the lessons of regime change in WW2 weren't observed.
When bush 1 went into Iraq the first time, with help of the coalition it should have been occupied and governed like Berlin, less the wall.
Now, we are just too involved in the ME to not be involved and all our exit strategies haven't worked.


WWII wasnt regime change, there are practically no parallels to that. Germany was totally defeated and cooperated with the West and the Soviets.

The ME is made up of hostile religions and tribes that have no intention of cooperating with whoever gets stuck with the job of occupation.

Assad's sect, the Aliwaits, are shiite and hated by all the other tribes in Syria. Assad's fall would result in a bloodbath of his tribe, which is why theyre acting so viciously
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Apr 9 2017, 11:44 PM
The Inquisitor
Apr 9 2017, 11:30 PM
Attaburnsinhell
Apr 9 2017, 10:50 PM
voted4reagan
Apr 9 2017, 07:49 PM
Should we allow ASSAD to Gas his own people?
What would you suggest we do?

Assad drops gas, we'll end up dropping WP, napalm on more civilians. In fact, we've killed hundreds just this week in Iraq and Yeman

Once we go in there, we're there for years and years of occupation in a hostile environment, stuck among dozens of factions

By year two everyone will be saying what the hell are we doing there?
If I had the answer, I'd be an instant Zillionare.
Unfortunately the lessons of regime change in WW2 weren't observed.
When bush 1 went into Iraq the first time, with help of the coalition it should have been occupied and governed like Berlin, less the wall.
Now, we are just too involved in the ME to not be involved and all our exit strategies haven't worked.


WWII wasnt regime change, there are practically no parallels to that. Germany was totally defeated and cooperated with the West and the Soviets.

The ME is made up of hostile religions and tribes that have no intention of cooperating with whoever gets stuck with the job of occupation.

Assad's sect, the Aliwaits, are shiite and hated by all the other tribes in Syria. Assad's fall would result in a bloodbath of his tribe, which is why theyre acting so viciously
WWII and WWI were every bit the false flags that Vietnam, Iraq, and Syria were.
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Attaburnsinhell
Apr 9 2017, 11:32 PM
If you've studied up on Islamic State's goals, it relies on biblical prophacy that the infidel nations will gather to fight the caliphicet (ISIL) and near wipe them out in the battle of End Times (Armagaddon), when suddenly Jesus steps in and kills all the infidels. Yes, they actually believe this

And, unfortunately, so does a lot of people around Trump, who consider themselves Dominionists, who believe we are about to hit End Times

The lunatics are running the asylum on this one
We have had a few wars to end all wars....Not once has Jesus made an appearance and interceded....We could bring peace to the Middle East if we kill them all........... :biggrin:
Jesus can raise the dead, but he can't fix stupid
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Apr 9 2017, 11:47 PM
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Apr 9 2017, 11:44 PM
The Inquisitor
Apr 9 2017, 11:30 PM
Attaburnsinhell
Apr 9 2017, 10:50 PM
voted4reagan
Apr 9 2017, 07:49 PM
Should we allow ASSAD to Gas his own people?
What would you suggest we do?

Assad drops gas, we'll end up dropping WP, napalm on more civilians. In fact, we've killed hundreds just this week in Iraq and Yeman

Once we go in there, we're there for years and years of occupation in a hostile environment, stuck among dozens of factions

By year two everyone will be saying what the hell are we doing there?
If I had the answer, I'd be an instant Zillionare.
Unfortunately the lessons of regime change in WW2 weren't observed.
When bush 1 went into Iraq the first time, with help of the coalition it should have been occupied and governed like Berlin, less the wall.
Now, we are just too involved in the ME to not be involved and all our exit strategies haven't worked.


WWII wasnt regime change, there are practically no parallels to that. Germany was totally defeated and cooperated with the West and the Soviets.

The ME is made up of hostile religions and tribes that have no intention of cooperating with whoever gets stuck with the job of occupation.

Assad's sect, the Aliwaits, are shiite and hated by all the other tribes in Syria. Assad's fall would result in a bloodbath of his tribe, which is why theyre acting so viciously
WWII and WWI were every bit the false flags that Vietnam, Iraq, and Syria were.
Let's be ultra woke; the civil war was a false flag. Reagan, Eisenhower, and Coolidge, Presidents who kept the peace were the greatest, not neocons.
Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary.
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voted4reagan
Apr 9 2017, 07:49 PM
Should we allow ASSAD to Gas his own people?
Assad has never gased his own people.


But in any case, we have no right to attack a country that has not attacked us.
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Here is a fun thought, Assad uses a chemical munition to kill less than 100 people and we are outraged so much at the action that we launch 60 missiles to destroy the base and make threats of more involvement.

Now, compare that to some of the African nations where rival tribes will literally hack to pieces tens of thousands and what is our reaction? Nothing.

What is worse? A nerve agent that kills in minutes (sometimes even quicker) or ritual rape and dismemberment?

Just a thought for those who wish us to be world police. Where does it stop?
Edited by Demagogue, Apr 10 2017, 11:10 AM.
People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to visit violence on those who would do them harm.
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Apr 10 2017, 11:10 AM
Here is a fun thought, Assad uses a chemical munition to kill less than 100 people and we are outraged so much at the action that we launch 60 missiles to destroy the base and make threats of more involvement.

Now, compare that to some of the African nations where rival tribes will literally hack to pieces tens of thousands and what is our reaction? Nothing.

What is worse? A nerve agent that kills in minutes (sometimes even quicker) or ritual rape and dismemberment?

Just a thought for those who wish us to be world police. Where does it stop?
"Assad uses a chemical munition to kill less than 100 people "


Proof? Evidence? Anything?
"if that **** wins we'll all hang from nooses"
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Apr 10 2017, 11:26 AM
Demagogue
Apr 10 2017, 11:10 AM
Here is a fun thought, Assad uses a chemical munition to kill less than 100 people and we are outraged so much at the action that we launch 60 missiles to destroy the base and make threats of more involvement.

Now, compare that to some of the African nations where rival tribes will literally hack to pieces tens of thousands and what is our reaction? Nothing.

What is worse? A nerve agent that kills in minutes (sometimes even quicker) or ritual rape and dismemberment?

Just a thought for those who wish us to be world police. Where does it stop?
"Assad uses a chemical munition to kill less than 100 people "


Proof? Evidence? Anything?
It is kind of like Global Warming. It is the generally accepted theory despite a complete lack of actual proof beyond some computer models...


The African massacres did happen though.
Edited by Demagogue, Apr 10 2017, 11:42 AM.
People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to visit violence on those who would do them harm.
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Apr 10 2017, 11:42 AM
Robertr2000
Apr 10 2017, 11:26 AM
Demagogue
Apr 10 2017, 11:10 AM
Here is a fun thought, Assad uses a chemical munition to kill less than 100 people and we are outraged so much at the action that we launch 60 missiles to destroy the base and make threats of more involvement.

Now, compare that to some of the African nations where rival tribes will literally hack to pieces tens of thousands and what is our reaction? Nothing.

What is worse? A nerve agent that kills in minutes (sometimes even quicker) or ritual rape and dismemberment?

Just a thought for those who wish us to be world police. Where does it stop?
"Assad uses a chemical munition to kill less than 100 people "


Proof? Evidence? Anything?
It is kind of like Global Warming. It is the generally accepted theory despite a complete lack of actual proof beyond some computer models...


The African massacres did happen though.
Right, so you have no proof at all that Assad did this.


I already know this.
Edited by Robertr2000, Apr 10 2017, 12:20 PM.
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Apr 9 2017, 08:42 PM
voted4reagan
Apr 9 2017, 07:49 PM
Should we allow ASSAD to Gas his own people?
Not our problem.
Maybe he'll sell some of that Iraqi Sarin Gas to a Terrorist that will deploy it against someone you know.. Still someone elses problem???

Trump needs to focus more so on the male vote. He should have nationalized the Boy Scouts when they decided to admit girls.

Harambe4Trump AKA "FASHY"
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Apr 10 2017, 12:22 PM
Harambe4Trump
Apr 9 2017, 08:42 PM
voted4reagan
Apr 9 2017, 07:49 PM
Should we allow ASSAD to Gas his own people?
Not our problem.
Maybe he'll sell some of that Iraqi Sarin Gas to a Terrorist that will deploy it against someone you know.. Still someone elses problem???

Any proof of that?
"if that **** wins we'll all hang from nooses"
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Apr 9 2017, 11:47 PM
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Apr 9 2017, 11:44 PM
The Inquisitor
Apr 9 2017, 11:30 PM
Attaburnsinhell
Apr 9 2017, 10:50 PM
voted4reagan
Apr 9 2017, 07:49 PM
Should we allow ASSAD to Gas his own people?
What would you suggest we do?

Assad drops gas, we'll end up dropping WP, napalm on more civilians. In fact, we've killed hundreds just this week in Iraq and Yeman

Once we go in there, we're there for years and years of occupation in a hostile environment, stuck among dozens of factions

By year two everyone will be saying what the hell are we doing there?
If I had the answer, I'd be an instant Zillionare.
Unfortunately the lessons of regime change in WW2 weren't observed.
When bush 1 went into Iraq the first time, with help of the coalition it should have been occupied and governed like Berlin, less the wall.
Now, we are just too involved in the ME to not be involved and all our exit strategies haven't worked.


WWII wasnt regime change, there are practically no parallels to that. Germany was totally defeated and cooperated with the West and the Soviets.

The ME is made up of hostile religions and tribes that have no intention of cooperating with whoever gets stuck with the job of occupation.

Assad's sect, the Aliwaits, are shiite and hated by all the other tribes in Syria. Assad's fall would result in a bloodbath of his tribe, which is why theyre acting so viciously
WWII and WWI were every bit the false flags that Vietnam, Iraq, and Syria were.
You're insane
Trump needs to focus more so on the male vote. He should have nationalized the Boy Scouts when they decided to admit girls.

Harambe4Trump AKA "FASHY"
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