Welcome Guest [Log In] [Register]
Welcome to Perspectives. We hope you enjoy your visit.


You're currently viewing our forum as a guest. This means you are limited to certain areas of the board and there are some features you can't use. If you join our community, you'll be able to access member-only sections, and use many member-only features such as customizing your profile, sending personal messages, and voting in polls. Registration is simple, fast, and completely free.


Join our community!


If you're already a member please log in to your account to access all of our features:

Username:   Password:
Add Reply
China experts: North Korea not on war footing, fighting unlikely
Topic Started: Apr 16 2017, 06:46 AM (380 Views)
70-101
Member Avatar

PYONGYANG, North Korea (AP) — Chinese experts see little immediate possibility of hostilities breaking out between the US and North Korea, but say Beijing will respond harshly to any further North Korean nuclear tests.


LINK
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Drudge X
Member Avatar

Sad that you believe what China and N. Korea tell you.
Kate Steinle was separated from her family permanently but leftists didn't seem to mind.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
George Aligator
Member Avatar

The surveillance now conducted on North Korea is more than adequate to detect the necessary changes required for an attack on South Korea. North Korea has neither the naval or air power to fend off a US attack. True, they could invade the South and kills thousands of US troops as well as millions of their southern countrymen. Hard to see how that one would turn out well for the Kim family.
Conservatism is a social disease
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Drudge X
Member Avatar

They would have to get through the DMZ first and with adequate troops remaining to fight.
Kate Steinle was separated from her family permanently but leftists didn't seem to mind.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Robert Stout
Member Avatar

George Aligator
Apr 16 2017, 05:54 PM
The surveillance now conducted on North Korea is more than adequate to detect the necessary changes required for an attack on South Korea. North Korea has neither the naval or air power to fend off a US attack. True, they could invade the South and kills thousands of US troops as well as millions of their southern countrymen. Hard to see how that one would turn out well for the Kim family.
Or North Korea could simply nuke our major airbase close to the border and claim it was an accident................ :oyvey
Jesus can raise the dead, but he can't fix stupid
Online Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
70-101
Member Avatar

Drudge X
Apr 16 2017, 02:12 PM
Sad that you believe what China and N. Korea tell you.
Me? :shakeshead:

Your party's the one who's so fascinated and complementary to the commie ideology, not mine.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
peewee

70-101
Apr 16 2017, 06:46 AM
PYONGYANG, North Korea (AP) — Chinese experts see little immediate possibility of hostilities breaking out between the US and North Korea, but say Beijing will respond harshly to any further North Korean nuclear tests.


LINK
This sounds positive. Trump can pump himself up over this without much worry of another war happening. North Korea finds themselves between a rock, China, and a hard place, The USA.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
70-101
Member Avatar

The only thing for sure is, it won't be Trump's fault. :shakeshead:
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
70-101
Member Avatar

Just a though.

If N.Korea has another failed missile test where the missile blows up soon after launch, the answer might be the U.S has a satellite controlled laser weapon onboard ship, perhaps even a few of them the stakes are that high.

This is not a fantasy. The USS Ponce had one installed two years ago and I imagine it's been well tested perhaps even perfected by now. So, like I said, if N.Korea has another failed missile test where the missile blows up soon after launch, we may have our answer.
Edited by 70-101, Apr 17 2017, 01:31 AM.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
George Aligator
Member Avatar

70-101
Apr 17 2017, 01:30 AM
Just a though.

If N.Korea has another failed missile test where the missile blows up soon after launch, the answer might be the U.S has a satellite controlled laser weapon onboard ship, perhaps even a few of them the stakes are that high.

This is not a fantasy. The USS Ponce had one installed two years ago and I imagine it's been well tested perhaps even perfected by now. So, like I said, if N.Korea has another failed missile test where the missile blows up soon after launch, we may have our answer.
A very interesting thought ^^^ at that. There was some discussion in the press a couple of weeks ago, prompted by a report from "sources" that the US technology for disruption of missiles at launch was not going as well as hoped, but that significant progress had been made in recent years. The programs referenced are ones to disrupt propulsion and guidance systems, not the laser cannon approach also being developed. I suppose the recent shoot-down could be caused by either approach. If we have successfully developed something along those lines, it is going to cause real grumbling in Moscow and nervous coughing in Bejing.
Conservatism is a social disease
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
70-101
Member Avatar

Our Navy's use of laser weapons aboard ship is no big secret, but what's likely secret is how advanced they've become. My guess is, they've become advanced enough, in the last few years, to hit a relatively slow moving target from several hundred miles away. Such as a large missile seconds after it's launched, which would be an ideal use for a ship's defensive weapons system.

Also, ships at sea can easily communicate with aircraft and satellites to assist in aiming a weapons system. Not to mention, it's likely the enemy would never see the laser actually hit its target, so they'd never know what hit it.

This is all total speculation on my part, but one certainly well within the realm of possibilities. Because given our current geopolitical climate, anything's possible. We should have more answers on this matter very soon because N.Korea will see to it


Edited by 70-101, Apr 17 2017, 09:12 AM.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
George Aligator
Member Avatar

70-101
Apr 17 2017, 09:03 AM
Our Navy's use of laser weapons aboard ship is no big secret, but what's likely secret is how advanced they've become. My guess is, they've become advanced enough, in the last few years, to hit a relatively slow moving target from several hundred miles away. Such as a large missile seconds after it's launched, which would be an ideal use for a ship's defensive weapons system.

Also, ships at sea can easily communicate with aircraft and satellites to assist in aiming a weapons system. Not to mention, it's likely the enemy would never see the laser actually hit its target, so they'd never know what hit it.

This is all total speculation on my part, but one certainly well within the realm of possibilities. Because given our current geopolitical climate, anything's possible. We should have more answers on this matter very soon because N.Korea will see to it


I appreciate your expertise in this area. It seems to me that North Korea knows at least as much as the American public does about this technology. If it is working, would they not be well advised to shut down further "tests" until counter-measures are developed?

I know it is popular to think of Kim and his country as crazy etc. but his track record suggests otherwise. Violent, ruthless beyond measure, yes. But North Korea has developed far and fast. His ambitions for his country may be grandiose and dangerous but he knows what he is doing. More than I can say for his US counterpart.
Conservatism is a social disease
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Robertr2000
Member Avatar

Trump and China are going to take out North Korea's nuclear capabilities.


Winning:
Posted Image
"if that **** wins we'll all hang from nooses"
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Demagogue
Member Avatar
Administrator
70-101
Apr 17 2017, 01:30 AM
Just a though.

If N.Korea has another failed missile test where the missile blows up soon after launch, the answer might be the U.S has a satellite controlled laser weapon onboard ship, perhaps even a few of them the stakes are that high.

This is not a fantasy. The USS Ponce had one installed two years ago and I imagine it's been well tested perhaps even perfected by now. So, like I said, if N.Korea has another failed missile test where the missile blows up soon after launch, we may have our answer.
Actually, the ABL system was never canceled. It just went black. There are now 15 advanced ABL aircraft roving the skies of the world masquerading as cargo flights. They updated the laser and the optics. The range is still not enough to target a launch facility 100 miles inland but for a coastal launch like this one they don't even have to deviate from their scheduled flight path...


:usasmile: :devil:
People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to visit violence on those who would do them harm.
Online Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
70-101
Member Avatar

S.Korean's citizens appear more concerned with last year's impeachment President Park Geun-hye then they are with Trump and Kim Jung-un's bluster and bravado.

Likely because S.Korea is largely a youth-oriented society, doesn't truly understand the dangers both Kim and Trump present to the stability of the world, simply because no one understands these two men.

Trump has not only painted himself into a corner over N.Korean, which was likely done intentionally, he's also painted the world into a corner, while he receives foreign policy advice from family members. His political agenda is set by a small group of billionaire financial backers who think nothing of what's best for the world, only what's best for their financial interests, which depend heavily, but not totally, on war for profit.

With the truly sad part being, the GOP is under the same controlling forces Trump is. In other words, war somewhere on our planet is imminent. The GOP will see to it, simply because its political backers demand it as payback.

President Eisenhower first warned our nation of this pending danger during his farewell address to our nation in 1961. Due to the pressure, he was under in 1953, to assist France in the expansion of its indo-china war, Truman was under the same pressures, only worse.

Johnson was forced to expand the Vietnam war in 64 because he knew what happened to JFK when he refused to expand the Vietnam war.

Bush was under this exact same pressure to create a war for profit using Iraq as his target and now Trump's intentionally starting an unnecessary war with N. Korea.

Simply because Kim Jung-un is building nuclear weapons to protect his nation from Americas Military Industrial Complex.

So, here we go again.

Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
70-101
Member Avatar

Demagogue
Apr 17 2017, 11:32 AM
70-101
Apr 17 2017, 01:30 AM
Just a though.

If N.Korea has another failed missile test where the missile blows up soon after launch, the answer might be the U.S has a satellite controlled laser weapon onboard ship, perhaps even a few of them the stakes are that high.

This is not a fantasy. The USS Ponce had one installed two years ago and I imagine it's been well tested perhaps even perfected by now. So, like I said, if N.Korea has another failed missile test where the missile blows up soon after launch, we may have our answer.
Actually, the ABL system was never canceled. It just went black. There are now 15 advanced ABL aircraft roving the skies of the world masquerading as cargo flights. They updated the laser and the optics. The range is still not enough to target a launch facility 100 miles inland but for a coastal launch like this one they don't even have to deviate from their scheduled flight path...


:usasmile: :devil:
Yes, I know, but you can't always consider information attained on the internet as factual and up to date.

I consider you a very wise and fair-minded man for a Republican. Who also carefully and respectfully considers the opinions of all others, which speaks directly to your intelligence level, which is considerable.
Edited by 70-101, Apr 17 2017, 12:05 PM.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
CautionaryTales
Member Avatar

70-101
Apr 17 2017, 09:03 AM
Our Navy's use of laser weapons aboard ship is no big secret, but what's likely secret is how advanced they've become. My guess is, they've become advanced enough, in the last few years, to hit a relatively slow moving target from several hundred miles away. Such as a large missile seconds after it's launched, which would be an ideal use for a ship's defensive weapons system.

Also, ships at sea can easily communicate with aircraft and satellites to assist in aiming a weapons system. Not to mention, it's likely the enemy would never see the laser actually hit its target, so they'd never know what hit it.

This is all total speculation on my part, but one certainly well within the realm of possibilities. Because given our current geopolitical climate, anything's possible. We should have more answers on this matter very soon because N.Korea will see to it


Death rays...cool stuff.


Have you paid your internet taxes?
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Demagogue
Member Avatar
Administrator
70-101
Apr 17 2017, 12:02 PM
Demagogue
Apr 17 2017, 11:32 AM
70-101
Apr 17 2017, 01:30 AM
Just a though.

If N.Korea has another failed missile test where the missile blows up soon after launch, the answer might be the U.S has a satellite controlled laser weapon onboard ship, perhaps even a few of them the stakes are that high.

This is not a fantasy. The USS Ponce had one installed two years ago and I imagine it's been well tested perhaps even perfected by now. So, like I said, if N.Korea has another failed missile test where the missile blows up soon after launch, we may have our answer.
Actually, the ABL system was never canceled. It just went black. There are now 15 advanced ABL aircraft roving the skies of the world masquerading as cargo flights. They updated the laser and the optics. The range is still not enough to target a launch facility 100 miles inland but for a coastal launch like this one they don't even have to deviate from their scheduled flight path...


:usasmile: :devil:
Yes, I know, but you can't always consider information attained on the internet as factual and up to date.

I consider you a very wise and fair-minded man for a Republican. Who also carefully and respectfully considers the opinions of all others, which speaks directly to your intelligence level, which is considerable.
I just posted that for fun because it is plausible.

In reality, I don't think that NK really needs our help to have a new ballistic missile explode on launch. Launching rockets that have intercontinental range is a difficult business even when you have experts who know how to do it giving advice. A case in point would be both SpaceX and Orbital have had multiple rocket failures even though their design phases were both shepherded by NASA and Orbital was even using engines bought from Russia.

So designing a launching a medium lift rocket is very difficult even when you don't have any sanctions preventing you from getting the best equipment and information.

Is it possible that we had something to do with this thing failing on the ground? Sure. Of course it is just as likely that China has spies deeply penetrated into NK's missile program and they caused the failure.

I think a deal got done about NK. Trump used his threats of labeling China as a currency manipulator and of closer relations with Taiwan as a starting point for the negotiations in order to get China to agree to help more directly with NK. We dropped the currency manipulation BS and go back to the status quo on the ROC and China helps us remove NK as a potential future threat and takes control of their nuclear arsenal.

I think that is the deal that got done but time will tell. Obviously I was not there at the meeting and this is pure speculation but it seems like the logical path for our two nations. There is no money in the US and China being against each other on this.
Edited by Demagogue, Apr 17 2017, 12:25 PM.
People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to visit violence on those who would do them harm.
Online Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
70-101
Member Avatar

I also believe Trump cut a deal with China, as I've said several times recently, but to what extent I'm not sure. Except, it appears likely the deal a was cut to make both the Chinese and GOP look good. Meaning, China gets additional monetary credibility which they deserve anyway and the GOP gets to saber rattle to deflect attention away from Trump administration scandal and domestic malfeasance.

Like I said weeks ago if NK launches a successful test missile as it likely will soon, Trump will simply say his field commanders who have complete authority over the event wanted to recover the missile for intelligence purpose. Because no military action against NK for a 'test firing' was part of the deal Trump likely negotiated with the Chinese general secretary.

The way Trump handled the recent MOAB drop in Afghanistan, by referring it to his field commanders told me that. Also, Trump's been a coward all his life and was know to pick fights in school then run away when his bluff was called. He also repeatedly refused to serve when drafted which is also is a direct reflection of this coward's character.


Edited by 70-101, Apr 17 2017, 01:29 PM.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Demagogue
Member Avatar
Administrator
70-101
Apr 17 2017, 01:19 PM
I also believe Trump cut a deal with China, as I've said several times recently, but to what extent I'm not sure. Except, it appears likely the deal a was cut to make both the Chinese and GOP look good. Meaning, China gets additional monetary credibility which they deserve anyway and the GOP gets to saber rattle to deflect attention away from Trump administration scandal and domestic malfeasance.

Like I said weeks ago if NK launches a successful test missile as it likely will soon, Trump will simply say his field commanders who have complete authority over the event wanted to recover the missile for intelligence purpose. Because no military action against NK for a 'test firing' was part of the deal Trump likely negotiated with the Chinese general secretary.

The way Trump handled the recent MOAB drop in Afghanistan, by referring it to his field commanders told me that. Also, Trump's been a coward all his life and was know to pick fights in school then run away when his bluff was called. He also repeatedly refused to serve when drafted which is also is a direct reflection of this coward's character.


Well this tells us what you think of Trump lol.

Time will tell what deal was made. I know China came down on NK about a potential nuke test and so far NK has chosen not to call China's bluff. The ballistic missile launches are of less concern than the nuke tests.

I kind of understand how you feel about Trump because I harbor similar feelings about Mrs. Clinton.
People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to visit violence on those who would do them harm.
Online Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
1 user reading this topic (1 Guest and 0 Anonymous)
« Previous Topic · UnitedStates.com FOREIGN* & DEFENSE · Next Topic »
Add Reply