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Pope Francis’s Communist Mentor; Why this Pope is so different from all the rest
Topic Started: May 2 2017, 08:31 AM (3,127 Views)
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May 4 2017, 12:01 PM
Discussion about pope Francis reveals clearly that Evangelical Protestants have nothing but prejudice towards the Roman Church and the alt-right troll have even less knowledge about it. The life of the pope, the history of his country, the doctrines of his church, all are utterly unknown or misunderstood by knee-jerk righties. Nothing new there. The real divide among posters isn't on any of these vast topics, it is a simple matter of believing in Christianity. There are Bible-believing Christians who hate Francis because they think he is a Communist (!) and atheists who admire his altruistic humanism. It's an upside-down situation and a sad commentary on the politicized Christianity of the Republican Party.
But isn't Christianity, in it's pure form anyway, pretty much communism? It's all about helping the underprivileged, caring for the sick, and providing for those who cannot provide for themselves? It pretty much seems to embody the whole, "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need," with the major difference being that it is a belief in God that is the motivation rather than a belief in the ideology of communism.
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May 4 2017, 12:01 PM
Discussion about pope Francis reveals clearly that Evangelical Protestants have nothing but prejudice towards the Roman Church and the alt-right troll haveAn ill-educated street priest from even less knowledge about it. The life of the pope, the history of his country, the doctrines of his church, all are utterly unknown or misunderstood by knee-jerk righties. Nothing new there. The real divide among posters isn't on any of these vast topics, it is a simple matter of believing in Christianity. There are Bible-believing Christians who hate Francis because they think he is a Communist (!) and atheists who admire his altruistic humanism. It's an upside-down situation and a sad commentary on the politicized Christianity of the Republican Party.
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"There are Bible-believing Christians who hate Francis because they think he is a Communist (!) and atheists who admire his altruistic humanism."


Oh Puhleaze!

There is a vast difference between a full-blown communist (which might include, you... :lol: ) and a "sympathizer." Pope Francis may be a sympathizer, but is certainly not a communist. The definition of a "communist sympathizer" is one who doesn't necessarily agree with all the tenants of its philosophy, but kinda agrees with some of their ideas. "Spreading the wealth" sounds like a great idea until you get to the part of confiscation. "Dictatorship of the Proletariat" sounds cool, so long as you don't consider that that idea led to the slaughter of 125 million people in the 20th century.

Pope Francis is a dilettante. He is an ill-educated street priest from Argentina. He is not a communist, but is surely a glossy-eyed sympathizer.

Mozart
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May 4 2017, 08:43 AM
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May 4 2017, 07:22 AM
Pope Francis, of course, is not communist. Argentina, of course, is/was not socialist. And the Catholic Church, of course, has something called Social Doctrine. :cool:
Fundamental realities ^^^ that alt-right types don't want to know. Señor Bergoglio is a man whose character and the world from which he comes are as incomprehensible to Fox News fascists as Sunday is to Holstein cow.
Pope Frances and Che are old remnants of Catholic Liberation Theology............ :lol:
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May 4 2017, 07:22 AM
Pope Francis, of course, is not communist. Argentina, of course, is/was not socialist. And the Catholic Church, of course, has something called Social Doctrine. :cool:
Fundamental realities ^^^ that alt-right types don't want to know. Señor Bergoglio is a man whose character and the world from which he comes are as incomprehensible to Fox News fascists as Sunday is to Holstein cow.
Pope Frances and Che are old remnants of Catholic Liberation Theology............ :lol:
No. Pope Francis doesn't support the Liberation Theology.
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W A Mozart
 
Have you seen the photo's coming out of Venezuela lately? Have you witnessed the poverty, the complete despair of the people? The hopelessness, the faces of the children living with hunger and complete poverty.
No, that is Haiti. Or Irak. Or Afghanistan.
Countries xxxxed by your Gods. :cool:

W A Mozart
 
I am so glad that YOUR Gods still love you, but, ach du meine Liebe, are they ever mad at you....!
Poor of us. So far of our Gods, so close to God-Emperor Trump's United States... :cool:

W A Mozart
 
Pope Francis may be a sympathizer,...
Say, didn't Archangel McCarthy ask that? :cool:

W A Mozart
 
Pope Francis is a dilettante. He is an ill-educated street priest from Argentina. He is not a communist, but is surely a glossy-eyed sympathizer.
Yup. Archangel McCarthy asked and judged that. :cool:
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Trump to meet pope May 24 in potentially awkward encounter
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U.S. President Donald Trump will meet Pope Francis on May 24, the Vatican said on Thursday, a potentially awkward encounter given their diametrically opposing positions on immigration, refugees and climate change.

Trump will be coming from the Middle East and stop in Rome before going to Brussels for a NATO summit and then to Sicily for a meeting of the Group of Seven rich countries.

The Vatican said the meeting would take place at 8:30 a.m. (0630 GMT) on a Wednesday in the Apostolic Palace, an unusual day and an unusually early time for a head of state to meet the pope.
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FILE PHOTO A combination of file photos shows Donald Trump (L) speaking to the Veterans of Foreign Wars conference at a campaign event in Charlotte, North Carolina, U.S., July 26, 2016, and Pope Francis looking on during his Wednesday general audience at Saint Peter's Square at the Vatican March 19, 2014. REUTERS/Carlo Allegri/Stefano Rellandini/File Photos

God-Emperor El Donaldo: "The Pope? How many approval points has he got?" :cool:
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I'm going to visit Vatican this summer, these bastards made quite a collection of treasures while serving god and caring for human souls...
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May 5 2017, 05:23 AM
Trump to meet pope May 24 in potentially awkward encounter
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U.S. President Donald Trump will meet Pope Francis on May 24, the Vatican said on Thursday, a potentially awkward encounter given their diametrically opposing positions on immigration, refugees and climate change.

Trump will be coming from the Middle East and stop in Rome before going to Brussels for a NATO summit and then to Sicily for a meeting of the Group of Seven rich countries.

The Vatican said the meeting would take place at 8:30 a.m. (0630 GMT) on a Wednesday in the Apostolic Palace, an unusual day and an unusually early time for a head of state to meet the pope.
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FILE PHOTO A combination of file photos shows Donald Trump (L) speaking to the Veterans of Foreign Wars conference at a campaign event in Charlotte, North Carolina, U.S., July 26, 2016, and Pope Francis looking on during his Wednesday general audience at Saint Peter's Square at the Vatican March 19, 2014. REUTERS/Carlo Allegri/Stefano Rellandini/File Photos

God-Emperor El Donaldo: "The Pope? How many approval points has he got?" :cool:
Yes, that will be quite an interesting get-together.

From what I've read, there's quite a bit of friction between the Pope and his various Cardinals. There is also a very deep and bitter divide between he and the ex German Pope. I don't dislike this Pope, he means well, but I just have no respect for him as an intellect. He's just way in over his head.

Furthermore, he caused enormous political damage in Venezuela when he demanded negotiations between Maduro and the opposition, when the opposition was well on its way to getting a constitutionally mandated recall election in place. It was a horrible decision by this Pontiff. A lot of suffering and needless violence was caused as a result.

A thoroughly discombobulated Pope....

Mozart
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May 5 2017, 04:59 AM
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May 5 2017, 02:59 AM
George Aligator
May 4 2017, 08:43 AM
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May 4 2017, 07:22 AM
Pope Francis, of course, is not communist. Argentina, of course, is/was not socialist. And the Catholic Church, of course, has something called Social Doctrine. :cool:
Fundamental realities ^^^ that alt-right types don't want to know. Señor Bergoglio is a man whose character and the world from which he comes are as incomprehensible to Fox News fascists as Sunday is to Holstein cow.
Pope Frances and Che are old remnants of Catholic Liberation Theology............ :lol:
No. Pope Francis doesn't support the Liberation Theology.
At least that is what he told the Junta Generals................ :rollseyes:
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People sure like him.

http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-35892917/pope-francis-worlds-most-popular-leader
“Strong people don’t need strong leaders.”
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W A Mozart
 
I don't dislike this Pope,...
Yes, you do. If not, you would not have started this thread. :biggrin:

W A Mozart
 
...he means well, but I just have no respect for him as an intellect. He's just way in over his head.
Pope Francis is a Jesuit. If you believe that he is an "ill-educated street priest from Argentina", that speaks more about you than him. :cool:

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Furthermore, he caused enormous political damage in Venezuela when he demanded negotiations between Maduro and the opposition, when the opposition was well on its way to getting a constitutionally mandated recall election in place. It was a horrible decision by this Pontiff. A lot of suffering and needless violence was caused as a result.
And here it is. The REAL reason of why you don't like Pope Francis:

Because he doesn't act like you want in the Venezuelan crisis. :cool:

So, the only advice that i can give you is: get ordered Cardinal and elect a new Pope. Or change of religion. :biggrin:

Oh, and for your information:

Wed Nov 6, 2013
Capriles seeks papal mediation in Venezuela politics
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Venezuela's opposition leader Henrique Capriles held a private meeting in Rome with Pope Francis on Wednesday and sought his mediation in the South American nation's tumultuous internal politics.

Capriles still refuses to recognize the legitimacy of President Nicolas Maduro after narrowly losing an April election to replace socialist leader Hugo Chavez, who died of cancer.
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Henrique Capriles, Venezuela's opposition leader and governor of Miranda state, attends a news conference at a hotel in Santiago July 19, 2013. REUTERS/Ivan Alvarado

Pope Francis didn't called to the Venezuelan opposition. They called him, in the first place. :cool:
Edited by Che On The Rocks, May 6 2017, 05:55 AM.
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By God! Wolfgang is transforming me in a curato, tragaostias, chupacirios! :biggrin:

MIRACLE OF THE LORD! :biggrin:
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May 4 2017, 12:15 PM
George Aligator
May 4 2017, 12:01 PM
Discussion about pope Francis reveals clearly that Evangelical Protestants have nothing but prejudice towards the Roman Church and the alt-right troll have even less knowledge about it. The life of the pope, the history of his country, the doctrines of his church, all are utterly unknown or misunderstood by knee-jerk righties. Nothing new there. The real divide among posters isn't on any of these vast topics, it is a simple matter of believing in Christianity. There are Bible-believing Christians who hate Francis because they think he is a Communist (!) and atheists who admire his altruistic humanism. It's an upside-down situation and a sad commentary on the politicized Christianity of the Republican Party.
But isn't Christianity, in it's pure form anyway, pretty much communism? It's all about helping the underprivileged, caring for the sick, and providing for those who cannot provide for themselves? It pretty much seems to embody the whole, "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need," with the major difference being that it is a belief in God that is the motivation rather than a belief in the ideology of communism.
That ^^^ is an excellent summary of the historical roots of Christian social teaching. The kink in the theory comes from the fact that Jesus was not a Christian, that the organization which Constantine and his successors established as the official religion of the Roman Empire acknowledged the social teachings of the Galilean rabbi but did nothing to implement them. Charity has never been the government's obligation.

The Jesuit order in Latin America has taken a quite different view in recent years, asserting that Christians in a Christian nation cannot have a government that ignores the fundamental teachings of Jesus in regard to the poor. Needless to say, this is a profoundly unsettling doctrine to the oligarchies of such Christian nations -- including the USA -- who have always taken comfort in the idea of charity as a voluntary ("I gave at the office") private matter.
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The Social Gospel was a protestant movement, popular with liberal clergy, that arose during the progressive movement of the early 1900s.....It is barely alive today except among wild eyed do-gooders or agnostic Unitarians....The Catholic Church did not participate except for their short term bout of Liberation Theology in the 1970s and 1980s...Some Christians have tended to put words in Jesus' mouth.................. :oyvey
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Discussion about pope Francis reveals clearly that Evangelical Protestants have nothing but prejudice towards the Roman Church and the alt-right troll haveAn ill-educated street priest from even less knowledge about it. The life of the pope, the history of his country, the doctrines of his church, all are utterly unknown or misunderstood by knee-jerk righties. Nothing new there. The real divide among posters isn't on any of these vast topics, it is a simple matter of believing in Christianity. There are Bible-believing Christians who hate Francis because they think he is a Communist (!) and atheists who admire his altruistic humanism. It's an upside-down situation and a sad commentary on the politicized Christianity of the Republican Party.
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"There are Bible-believing Christians who hate Francis because they think he is a Communist (!) and atheists who admire his altruistic humanism."


Oh Puhleaze!

There is a vast difference between a full-blown communist (which might include, you... :lol: ) and a "sympathizer." Pope Francis may be a sympathizer, but is certainly not a communist. The definition of a "communist sympathizer" is one who doesn't necessarily agree with all the tenants of its philosophy, but kinda agrees with some of their ideas. "Spreading the wealth" sounds like a great idea until you get to the part of confiscation. "Dictatorship of the Proletariat" sounds cool, so long as you don't consider that that idea led to the slaughter of 125 million people in the 20th century.

Pope Francis is a dilettante. He is an ill-educated street priest from Argentina. He is not a communist, but is surely a glossy-eyed sympathizer.

Mozart
What every "communist sympathizer" should know, including Pope Francis, but does not....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUGkKKAogDs


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A future Venezuelan short stop for the Dodgers catching tear gas canisters.....
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“Who’s coming? Everyone, right?”
By Rafael Labrador - May 7, 2017 3
Translated by Javier Liendo

Perhaps Venezuelans are clueless about whether we’ll reach safe harbor doing what we’re doing. We may not even be certain of what that harbor looks like or what may be awaiting us there. But one thing we’re positive about: we’re through with this hell. We’ve got to find a way out, even if we have to do it in the dark.

It was 10:30 a.m. when I turned off the computer.

“Who’s coming? Everyone, right?”

“Yes, let’s go!” my coworkers replied.

Only a couple stayed back at the office to get some work done, the work that keeps us afloat to pay wages and avoid a complete shutdown.

Euphoria

The building was suffused with the atmosphere of protest, people “were onto something.” Recent clashes in El Rosal have made us wary and left two broken panes of glass from a tear-gas canister fired right against the building’s entrance.

Our leader, Guillermo, carries an old backpack with milk of magnesia, vinegar, pieces of cloth and a baseball glove; he’s a former shortstop, and now he throws tear-gas canisters.

We’re a small group of people from various offices, seven or eight depending on how many Metro stations the regime chooses to shut down that day, and we already look like a batallion: white shirt, jeans, cap and old tennis shoes.

Our leader, Guillermo, carries an old backpack with milk of magnesia, vinegar, pieces of cloth and a baseball glove; he’s a former shortstop, and now he throws tear-gas canisters. Alejandra walks at the front carrying the national flag. She’s 25, a lawyer and one of those scorching-hot girls who don’t strike you as Venezuelan but feel the flag with their hearts.

Hope

https://www.caracaschronicles.com/2017/05/07/whos-coming-everyone-right/

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Today there is a women's march in Caracas.

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https://www.caracaschronicles.com/2017/05/07/womens-march/


And what do the Venezuelans think about Pope Francis....?

"While Pope Francis sent a letter to the Venezuelan Episcopal Conference asking the Church to mediate in the conflict we’re going through without condemning government violence,..."

"....without condemning government violence."

A dilettante.

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May 4 2017, 12:01 PM
Discussion about pope Francis reveals clearly that Evangelical Protestants have nothing but prejudice towards the Roman Church and the alt-right troll haveAn ill-educated street priest from even less knowledge about it. The life of the pope, the history of his country, the doctrines of his church, all are utterly unknown or misunderstood by knee-jerk righties. Nothing new there. The real divide among posters isn't on any of these vast topics, it is a simple matter of believing in Christianity. There are Bible-believing Christians who hate Francis because they think he is a Communist (!) and atheists who admire his altruistic humanism. It's an upside-down situation and a sad commentary on the politicized Christianity of the Republican Party.
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"There are Bible-believing Christians who hate Francis because they think he is a Communist (!) and atheists who admire his altruistic humanism."


Oh Puhleaze!

There is a vast difference between a full-blown communist (which might include, you... :lol: ) and a "sympathizer." Pope Francis may be a sympathizer, but is certainly not a communist. The definition of a "communist sympathizer" is one who doesn't necessarily agree with all the tenants of its philosophy, but kinda agrees with some of their ideas. "Spreading the wealth" sounds like a great idea until you get to the part of confiscation. "Dictatorship of the Proletariat" sounds cool, so long as you don't consider that that idea led to the slaughter of 125 million people in the 20th century.

Pope Francis is a dilettante. He is an ill-educated street priest from Argentina. He is not a communist, but is surely a glossy-eyed sympathizer.

Mozart
Pope Francis is a dilettante. He is an ill-educated street priest from Argentina. He is not a communist, but is surely a glossy-eyed sympathizer.


Sometimes the ignorance of a sophisticated, cosmopolitan guy like Mozart is startling. Pope Frances holds several advanced degrees. He studied abroad in Germany for years. He was head of the Society of Jesus in Argentina, an order not known for lack of education. He taught not only theology but literature and history at the undergraduate and graduate level at several colleges and universities and was top administrator in a couple of them. He has published a dozen books and countless articles. Really, herr Mozart, you look like a fool. Stop it.
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Pope Frances holds several advanced degrees. He studied abroad in Germany for years. He was head of the Society of Jesus in Argentina, an order not known for lack of education. He taught not only theology but literature and history at the undergraduate and graduate level at several colleges and universities and was top administrator in a couple of them. He has published a dozen books and countless articles.


Do you not understand the difference between "ill-educated" and "not educated?"

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It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." ...
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All of this is reminiscent of another ill-educated man, Neville Chamberlain. Climbing the stairs to Berchtesgaden didn't give the world any respite from the Nazi's, it only made things worse.

Pope Francis not only "entertained" the idea of the meaningless drivel of communst/socialist rhetoric, he "accepted" its silly premises as well.
A sincere fool thrust upon the world stage. An ill-educated man in a position of power with little understanding of evil. Just today he came out with a truly silly observation on naming a bomb. This, this is what he figures is important? If so, the world is in for a lot of hurt. Just witness Venezuela and their suffering.

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Pope Francis criticizes the naming of the 'Mother of All Bombs', saying the word 'mother' should not be used in reference to such a deadly weapon.

"Pope Francis on Saturday criticized the naming of the U.S. military's biggest non-nuclear explosive as 'the Mother of All Bombs', saying the word 'mother' should not be used in reference to a deadly weapon."


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4481300/Pope-Francis-criticizes-Mother-Bombs-bomb-name.html#ixzz4gPGoH1RI


Really?

I mean, really?

Mozart





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Silly ^^^ cop out. Calling a man ill-educated because you disagree with him is just name calling. You can try to engage Francis's ideas if you can cite them. That would be interesting, but the days when you could pontificate (get it?) from your home-made throne and be taken seriously are over. Like Trump, you seem to assume that you are a really smart guy and therefore anyone with whom you disagree must be stupid, or "ill-educated." Unimpressive.
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