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| Tweet Topic Started: Jun 5 2017, 03:55 PM (1,043 Views) | |
| Katoblue | Jun 5 2017, 03:55 PM Post #1 |
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A Must Watch Video! this puts to rest Al Gore and the Democrats Climate change Hoax! lmao watch till the end.. if you don't watch don't comment! we don't need to waste thread space on assumptions, lame Opinions with no facts, and fake news.. |
| Killary, DNC, Obummer's DOJ and FBI all Lied and Spied and Good People Died! | |
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| Coast2coast | Jun 5 2017, 04:03 PM Post #2 |
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Done from the first word and title of what is no doubt another crap-fest of Interwebs nonsense. No Kato, I did not waste 36 minutes listening to pathetic garbage. We all know how attention to Climate Change happened. And we know the conservative rejection of science due to the fact that the conservative unreasoned and sick paranoia of the government is a greater priority for them (and you) than reality. Climate change is real. Science is real. Denial is destructive. |
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| Katoblue | Jun 5 2017, 04:14 PM Post #3 |
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sorry.. your comments are moot.. if you don't watch the video in it's fullest.. then you have no say on the matter.. you have no clue what's in that video.. lmao Stay Ignorant my Friend.. lmao again.. |
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| CautionaryTales | Jun 5 2017, 04:41 PM Post #4 |
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Lol...because your propaganda video says it all? That is HILARIOUSSSSSS! Edited by CautionaryTales, Jun 5 2017, 04:43 PM.
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Have you paid your internet taxes? | |
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| coverpoint | Jun 5 2017, 04:50 PM Post #5 |
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John Coleman is a 82 year old weatherman with no academic credentials and has never conducted any scientific research on climate change or global warming. He has never published a single peer-reviewed paper on climate science. There is no “science” in this video. It is like watching one of those christian preachers peddling anti-evolution garbage. |
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| Coast2coast | Jun 5 2017, 05:13 PM Post #6 |
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I'm the one staying ignorant? Like the Beyoncé Demon days when I was "ignorant"? Climate change deniers are the ones that "have no say on the matter". Time to ignore and dismiss those that refuse to acknowledge science and knowledge. Just give them a snowball to play with. That's all the proof they need. |
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| Katoblue | Jun 5 2017, 05:28 PM Post #7 |
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Who was the main character in the video and why? |
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| clone | Jun 5 2017, 05:39 PM Post #8 |
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Director @ Center for Advanced Memetic Warfare
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It's an Inconvenient Truth.... |
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Only liberals can choose not to go down the road to widespread, systematic violence. | |
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| coverpoint | Jun 5 2017, 06:20 PM Post #9 |
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The main character in the video is John Coleman (like a weatherman) standing in front of a blue screen with projected slides. Later he interviews 92-year old Dr. Singer from the Heartland Institute created and funded originally by Phillip Morris (when they claimed that cigarettes do not cause cancer) and now by Exxon oil (when they claim that global warming is a hoax). Why? Because it is one of the few ways for Mr. Coleman to make lots of money these days as there is a conservative sucker born every minute. |
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| Coast2coast | Jun 5 2017, 06:26 PM Post #10 |
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Didn't you watch it? |
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| Katoblue | Jun 5 2017, 07:07 PM Post #11 |
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sorry Wrong! you never watched the video either.. typical Lib! looks like you'll have to watch the video to know.. and looks like your assumptions and lame opinions are moot too! lmao |
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| Mr. Tik | Jun 5 2017, 08:04 PM Post #12 |
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Here is a handy line by line refutation of John Coleman's comments http://www.uscentrist.org/platform/positions/environment/context-environment/john_coleman/the-amazing-story-behind-the-global-warming-scam |
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You may be a conservative republican..if you are pro life until you get your mistress knocked up | |
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| nNeo | Jun 5 2017, 08:52 PM Post #13 |
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This is all very old denier fodder. Every point has been debunked before, but onward I go. |
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| nNeo | Jun 5 2017, 09:01 PM Post #14 |
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in the first 7 seconds, false claim one -- "there is no significant global warming". "Significant" perhaps acting as a weasel word. According to every major study, and the meteorological agencies of every developed nation, there is significant global warming. 15 seconds "you may think I'm a paid off schill" Yup. "I was the first weatherman on Good Morning America". Establishing his ability to read from a teleprompter. Okies. "Did we have a winter or what in 20013-14?" Sure did. We have winters every year in fact, can't fool this guy, and 2013-14 one was warmer than average almost everywhere but the north central US. It doesn't take "gall" to claim a warm year. It takes the ability to distinguish "global" from "some guy in ohio". The combined global land and ocean average surface temperature for the January–February period (year-to-date) was 0.54°C (0.97°F) above the 20th century average of 12.1°C (53.8°F), tying with 2009 as the 11th warmest such period on record. https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/service/global/map-blended-mntp/201401-201402.gif https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/201402 2:10-ish "now they call it climate change, since the warming has stopped" False. It's still warming, which causes other changes to climate as well. Both terms are valid, though not interchangeable. The shift by the press was in response to the Bush administration requesting official spokespeople say "climate change" since that sounded less scary. another minute of filler about planetary motion, which has nothing to do with climate, but makes nice use of Bethoven's Moonlight Sonata. 3:00 "as best I can tell it's gonna stay just fine for another 4 billion years" Well golly gee, shucks, I guess that settles it if you say so. 3:18 "We're going to continue to have natural variation in climate". Correct. No one doubts this. 3:30 he enumerates all the places he sent a tweet of a bogus graph, which he then reads aloud despite it being on screen where we can see it. Bob Tisdale's false claim of "no warming since '98" has been soundly debunked many places. Cranks quoting cranks do not equal evidence. 4:20, another graph, this one showing global warming, which he admits at 4:18 but goes on to say hasn't warmed as fast as a model ensemble. So his position has changed in less than a minute from "it isn't warming" to "okay, it is warming, but not as fast as expected". 4:30 some indications that he doesn't know how models work ("spaghetti") then unsupported and non-sequitur comments about grant money. 4:53 - 6:04 self-promotion followed by fluff about the media, more comments about natural variation, which certainly happens but doesn't negate or preclude human influence. 8:30 - misinformation about polar bears (they are not at "all time high") followed by misinformation about sea level rise (it is accelerating) http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/sealevel.html 8:50 - more misinformation -- Antarctic sea ice has actually been at historic lows for about a year (as of now). It has been losing net continental ice mass for at least two decades. There was a temporary seasonal rise in sea ice as land ice melted and fresh water runoff refroze. He's misrepresenting that as a larger trend. It isn't. ramble about storms -- mostly straw men 10:50 "we haven't had a killer heat wave since the 50s" -- He should get out more. We've had lots, becoming more frequent and more serious. https://www.theguardian.com/weather/2015/may/31/southern-india-heatwave-death-toll-nears-2200-rain-brings-little-relief https://weather.com/forecast/regional/news/dangerous-record-heat-southwest-plains http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/blistering-june-heat-fades-in-southwest-after-records-highs-top-125f-phoenix-vegas-/58322509 http://www.nws.noaa.gov/com/weatherreadynation/heat_article.html http://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/climate-change/heatwaves-in-australia-this-natural-killer-just-got-deadlier/news-story/7876bd4840e7cbc126c7a04dfa5c8973 https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/killer-heat-grows-hotter-around-the-world/ http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13051909.At_22_8__C_Scotland_breaks_record_for_March_weather/ http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/8402791/Australias-angry-summer-continues http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Southern-California-Heat-Wave-Record-Hot-Temperatures-213729901.html http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/heat-wave-shatters-temperature-records-across-b-c-1.1318743 http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/08/summer-heatwave-engulfs-middle-east-150817092432196.html etc. Thousands dead globally. There have always been and will always be natural variation, but we're seeing record highs much more often than lows, a sure sign that globally temperatures are rising. more ramble about media, then a bit of color about Roger Revelle, then (questionable) stories about Al Gore. 15:30 - unsupported claims about funding, followed by absolute b.s. claim "you couldn't put out a research paper..." Then more nonsense about Gore at 16:12. 16:30-ish conspiracy theory about "one world government" -- I should probably move this all to UU "massive organization... well funded stars of global warming" -- Hilarious. First off, most of the studies on climate have been done by rival insitutions. You can hardly get these folks to agree on a lunch order, let alone a global conspiracy. Second, there's WAY more money in the private sector than in research. Any scientist who is only in it for money is working for an oil, chemical, or drug company, not doing climate research. Just the marketing budget of the 3 largest oil companies is bigger than NASAs entire earth science program. And research done in foreign countries has agreed, even a study funded by fossil fuel to disprove warming ended up supporting it. more rambles about Gore, then a misrepresentation of Revelle's later comments. In the 80s, a lot was still uncertain, and Revelle wanted more study. This was in no way an indication that global warming wasn't happening. 20:30 misrepresentation of Revelle's article with Singer. I'll let Revelle's daughter debunk that: http://ossfoundation.us/projects/environment/global-warming/myths/revelle-gore-singer-lindzen/carolyn-revelle Also the CO2 greenhouse effect was discovered in the 1860s, and the theory of anthropogenic global warming introduced in 1898, so even his history is wrong. Then the glowing irony of his closing remarks "time will show..." Yeah, so the three years after he recorded this were ALL record warm. Bottom line: He's wrong. The global scientific consensus is right. Edited by nNeo, Jun 5 2017, 10:43 PM.
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| nNeo | Jun 5 2017, 09:06 PM Post #15 |
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Here's another take-down: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2014/nov/03/weather-channel-founder-not-credible-on-global-warming and another: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2014/11/03/why-does-anyone-pay-attention-to-john-coleman-weather-channel-co-founder-on-climate-change/?utm_term=.182dae5bc998 Coleman is not a credible source, full stop. Edited by nNeo, Jun 5 2017, 09:14 PM.
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| Katoblue | Jun 5 2017, 09:50 PM Post #16 |
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doesn't mean John P. Reisman who is another pro-climate change globalist is correct just because he uses the word straw man in every paragraph! lmao what a joke! not to mention it is only his opinion on what Roger Revelle meant.. yet he has no facts.. sorry he loses too.. this is from the Oceanography Society.. I do believe they know more about Revelle and his writings than John P Reisman ever will.. according to them.. John P Reisman doesn't speak for Roger Revelle.. lmao nice try Adolph.. NEWS AND INFORMATION • Let Roger Revelle Speak for Himself https://tos.org/oceanography/article/let-roger-revelle-speak-for-himself FIRST PARAGRAPH In the April 1991 issue of the Cosmos Club Journal, Singer, Revelle and Starr published a paper, “What To Do About Greenhouse Warming: Look Before You Leap,” Roger died in July 1991. One year later, in a discussion of Senator Gore’s book Earth In Balance, Gregg Easterbrook notes that Senator Gore failed to mention that “before his death last year, Revelle published a paper that concludes, ‘The scientific basis for greenhouse warming is too uncertain to justify drastic action at this time.’ ” (Italics ours; see Green Cassandras, The New Republic, 6 July 1992.) Easterbrook goes on to say. “A lifetime of study persuaded Revelle that carbon emissions should be restricted, but are far less hazardous than initially feared.” so Coleman Gets it right! Edited by Katoblue, Jun 5 2017, 09:51 PM.
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| Mr. Tik | Jun 5 2017, 10:28 PM Post #17 |
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Roger's daughter, Carolyn Revelle, wrote: Contrary to George Will's "Al Gore's Green Guilt" Roger Revelle—our father and the "father" of the greenhouse effect—remained deeply concerned about global warming until his death in July 1991. That same year he wrote: "The scientific base for a greenhouse warming is too uncertain to justify drastic action at this time." Will and other critics of Sen. Al Gore have seized these words to suggest that Revelle, who was also Gore's professor and mentor, renounced his belief in global warming. Nothing could be further from the truth. When Revelle inveighed against "drastic" action, he was using that adjective in its literal sense—measures that would cost trillions of dollars. Up until his death, he thought that extreme measures were premature. But he continued to recommend immediate prudent steps to mitigate and delay climatic warming. Some of those steps go well beyond anything Gore or other national politicians have yet to advocate. [...] Revelle proposed a range of approaches to address global warming. Inaction was not one of them. He agreed with the adage "look before you leap," but he never said "sit on your hands. http://ossfoundation.us/projects/environment/global-warming/myths/revelle-gore-singer-lindzen/carolyn-revelle |
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You may be a conservative republican..if you are pro life until you get your mistress knocked up | |
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| Harambe4Trump | Jun 5 2017, 10:32 PM Post #18 |
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The mayors of London, NYC, & Paris have all said that refugees are welcome. The truth is these cities aren't worth saving from the ocean. |
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Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary. #MAGA #wallsnotwars | |
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| nNeo | Jun 5 2017, 10:36 PM Post #19 |
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Irony again -- Kato's misplaced emphasis in the Easterbrook quote, missing the key bit "A lifetime of study persuaded Revelle that carbon emissions should be restricted..." This exactly what Coleman is arguing against. Gross misrepresentation there. From the Scripps source: "S. Fred Singer wrote the paper and, as a courtesy, added Roger as a co-author based upon his willingness to review the manuscript and advise on aspects relating to sea-level rise. The whole, it seems to us, is rather less than the sum of its parts, relative to Roger's stance on these issues. The key is the use of the word drastic. Roger's last written statement on the subject was "What Can We Do About Climate." presented at the AAAS (American Association for the Advancement of Science) session, Climate Change: Scientific Uncertainties and Policy Responses in New Orleans on 16 February 1990. It outlines a possible set of actions designed to mitigate or delay climatic warming. It includes attempts to modify society's use and mix of fuels. While these may not be viewed as drastic, there is also no evidence that he believed that "emissions... are far less hazardous than initially feared." -- W.H. Munk, E.A. Frieman Also Revelle has been gone a long time. The evidence for AGW is much more abundant and well understood now. Quibbling about what one scientist was thinking 25 years ago is rather pointless. You won't find anyone at Scripps doubting the reality of AGW now. https://scripps.ucsd.edu/biblio/evidence-climate-change-satellite-cloud-record https://scripps.ucsd.edu/biblio/atmospheric-methane-evolution-last-40-years https://scripps.ucsd.edu/biblio/climate-change-impacts-lake-thermal-dynamics-and-ecosystem-vulnerabilities https://scripps.ucsd.edu/biblio/overlooked-possibility-collapsed-atlantic-meridional-overturning-circulation-warming-climate https://scripps.ucsd.edu/biblio/global-warming-hiatus-slowdown-or-redistribution etc. I'm gobsmacked at how myopically partisan some people are. The whole "Al Gore believes it so we must fight it" thing is bizarre. Outside pop culture he's basically insignificant. Scientists look at data. What politicians or celebrities later do with the information comes after the fact. Edited by nNeo, Jun 5 2017, 11:24 PM.
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| Katoblue | Jun 5 2017, 11:39 PM Post #20 |
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none of you libs watched the video including you Neo.. it's so obvious.. Coleman got it right.. From the Hoover Institute.. confirms S Fred Singer was right also.. and allows S Fred Singer to tell the truth.. great reading.. Al Gore was such a con.. and Lancaster admitted what a con Al Gore really was also and gave a retraction in a lawsuit he lost to S Fred Singer.. who was right about Roger Revelle's conclusion.. and not John P Reisman who is also the OSS foundation.. it was S Fred Singer that was right all along.. on Revelle's feelings on the matter of climate change.. and Coleman portrayed Singer and Revelle's stories correctly.. not Revelle's daughter that the OSS Foundation aka john P Reisman persuaded or Lancaster or Al Gore anyone else.. read it and weap.. The Revelle-Gore Story Attempted Political Suppression of Science http://media.hoover.org/sites/default/files/documents/0817939326_283.pdf snip.. Addendum Statement by Justin Lancaster The late Professor Roger Revelle was a true and voluntary coauthor of the article entitled “What To Do About GreenhouseWarming: Look Before You Leap,” along with Professor S. Fred Singer and Chauncey Starr, Ph.D. The article was published in April 1991 in the inaugural issue of Cosmos, the journal of the Cosmos Club of Washington, D.C. I retract as being unwarranted any and all statements, oral or written, I have made which state or imply that Professor Revelle was not a true and voluntary coauthor of the Cosmos article, or which in any other way impugn or malign the conduct or motives of Professor Singer with regard to the Cosmos article (including but not limited to its drafting, editing, publication, republication, and circulation). I agree not to make any such statements in future. I fully and unequivocally retract and disclaim those statements and their implications about the conduct, character, and ethics of Professor Singer, and I apologize to Professor Singer for the pain my conduct has caused him and for any damage that I may have caused to his reputation. To the extent that others, including Anthony D. Socci, Ph.D., Edward A. Frieman, Ph.D., and Walter H. Munk, Ph.D.,18 relied on my statements to make similar statements and insinuations, I also apologize to Professor Singer. I also regret that I have caused Professor Singer to incur litigation costs to resolve this matter. /s/ Justin Lancaster Dated April 29th, 1994. sorry libs you still lose.. :oyvey Edited by Katoblue, Jun 5 2017, 11:44 PM.
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