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Scientists Blame ‘Climate Change’ For Thick Sea Ice That Halted Arctic Expedition; You just can't make this stuff up...
Topic Started: Jun 15 2017, 08:25 PM (2,996 Views)
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Unlike others posting on this forum, I make sure I reference all the points I make (ahem...).

See ----> http://www.dmi.dk/en/groenland/maalinger/greenland-ice-sheet-surface-mass-budget/

Here's what the ice surface of Greenland looks like TODAY....!
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No global warming, it's all a farce! :)


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"SURFACE mass" it's a perfectly legit graph, but doesn't mean what you think it does.
Greenland got more snow than usual this year, which that reflects, however that graphic doesn't include ice that was lost through glaciers calving and bottom melt.

From you're own link:

"Satellite observations over the last decade show that the ice sheet is not in balance. The calving loss is greater than the gain from surface mass balance, and Greenland is losing mass at about 200 Gt/yr."
Edited by nNeo, Jun 18 2017, 09:28 PM.
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Jun 18 2017, 09:23 PM
"SURFACE mass" it's a perfectly legit graph, but doesn't mean what you think it does.
Greenland got more snow than usual this year, which that reflects, however that graphic doesn't include ice that was lost through glaciers calving and bottom melt.

From you're own link:

"Satellite observations over the last decade show that the ice sheet is not in balance. The calving loss is greater than the gain from surface mass balance, and Greenland is losing mass at about 200 Gt/yr."
Not the point!

It's peanuts, ...peanuts.... :)

We gotcha here, fell right into the trap..... :lol:

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375 billion tonnes per year… Oh my!

400 massive icebergs measuring 1km on each side disappearing each year… Oh no!!!

Wait a second… Those sound like big numbers… But how big are they compared to the Greenland ice sheet?

The USGS says that the volume of the Greenland ice sheet was 2,600,000 km3 at the beginning of the 21st century.

According to the “ice sheet goeth” graph, since 2001, Greenland lost about 3,600 gigatonnes of ice or about 3,840 km3 … That equates to a 16 km x 16 km x 16 km cube of ice (3√ 3,840 = 15.66). That’s YUGE! Right? Not really.

It’s not even a tiny nick when spread out over roughly 1.7 million square kilometers of ice surface. That works out a sheet of ice less about 2 meters thick… Not even a rounding error compared to the average thickness of the Greenland ice sheet.

2,600,000 km3 / 1,700,000 km2 = 1.53 km
The average thickness of the Greenland ice sheet is approximately 1.5 km (1,500 meters). 2 meters is about 0.15% of 1,500 meters.

http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/report-card/report-card-2016/artmid/5022/articleid/277/greenland-ice-sheet






"Using The Economist ratio of 400 km3 to 375 gigatonnes, 2,600,000 km3 works out to 2,437,500 gigatonnes. When some actual perspective is applied, it is obvious that “the ice sheet goeth” nowhere:" ..... :lol:
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Finally there is this lovely quote:

"Despite all of the warming since the end of Neoglaciation, the Greenland ice sheet still retains more than 99% of its 1900 AD ice mass."
:)


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Edited by W A Mozart, Jun 18 2017, 09:40 PM.
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nNeo

W A Mozart
Jun 18 2017, 09:32 PM
Not the point!

It's peanuts, ...peanuts...

It's exactly the point.

You posted a story about an arctic expedition being canceled because of sea ice, pretending that meant it was unusually cold. When shown to be wrong, you posted a link you literally didn't understand, showing Greenland losing hundreds of BILLIONS of tonnes of ice per year, but thinking it was showing growth. You're now claiming that a net loss of hundreds of BILLIONS of tonnes, over several decades, doesn't mean anything.

The desperation of deniers grows ever more comical.

The "point" is not how long it will take for all of Greenland to melt (it's quite big). The point is that clearly the Arctic IS warmer than it was, and becoming more so.
Edited by nNeo, Jun 18 2017, 09:39 PM.
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LOL..Mozzie is less like his namesake and more like Wile E Coyote :rotflmao:

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Jun 18 2017, 09:38 PM
W A Mozart
Jun 18 2017, 09:32 PM
Not the point!

It's peanuts, ...peanuts...

It's exactly the point.

You posted a story about an arctic expedition being canceled because of sea ice, pretending that meant it was unusually cold. When shown to be wrong, you posted a link you literally didn't understand, showing Greenland losing hundreds of BILLIONS of tonnes of ice per year, but thinking it was showing growth. You're now claiming that a net loss of hundreds of BILLIONS of tonnes, over several decades, doesn't mean anything.

The desperation of deniers grows ever more comical.

The "point" is not how long it will take for all of Greenland to melt (it's quite big). The point is that clearly the Arctic IS warmer than it was, and becoming more so.
No, what the guy is trying to point out is that YOUR graph is bupkis, nonsense. It is MEANT to scare people, ...see! ...see! ...we're all gonna die. It shows DRAMATIC falls in Greenland ice coverage where in reality, real science, the numbers are so small in relation to all of Greenland's ice mass that its reference becomes suspect. A speck. A drop in the bucket. Even if true, ( which those numbers are probably massaged by state-funded, stick-to-the-party-line so-called scientists.... :lol: ), they point to nothing. Greenland is fine. I don't care how many icebergs you post on this thread, it's a naturally occurring climate event. If you don't believe me, ask one of the relatives of one of the survivors of the Titanic. :)


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Jun 15 2017, 08:25 PM
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Scientists who cancelled their Arctic expedition due to thick ice conditions haves an interesting excuse for why they had to abandon their research project — climate change.

“We’re doing a large-scale climate change study and before we can even get going on it, climate change is conspiring to force us to cancel that study,” David Barber, a University of Manitoba scientist who lead the expedition, told The Guardian Wednesday.

Barber’s expedition set out in late May after being caught in 25-foot thick ice off the northern coast of Newfoundland. The expedition was forced to turn back after spending hundreds of thousands of dollars for a four-year project to study the effects of global warming on Hudson Bay.

Now, Barber and fellow researchers are blaming their botched expedition on global warming, or climate change, as they call it.

Their evidence? Not much, except the opinions of some scientists involved — at least, The Guardian didn’t present any evidence otherwise. The paper just assumed climate change was the culprit.

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http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/14/scientists-blame-climate-change-for-thick-sea-ice-that-halted-arctic-expedition/
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Jun 18 2017, 09:51 PM
so-called scientists
Who you cheerfully cited when you thought they agreed with you ;)
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Jun 18 2017, 09:51 PM
it's a naturally occurring climate event.
Here's what summer ice looked like in the 80s:
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Here's what it looked like last summer:
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Natural variation doesn't explain the rapid, ongoing loss clearly observed over the past few decades. Antropogenic global warming does.
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Jun 18 2017, 11:12 PM
W A Mozart
Jun 18 2017, 09:51 PM
it's a naturally occurring climate event.
Here's what summer ice looked like in the 80s:
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Here's what it looked like last summer:
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Natural variation doesn't explain the rapid, ongoing loss clearly observed over the past few decades. Antropogenic global warming does.
No, justice does.
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Jun 18 2017, 10:54 PM
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Jun 15 2017, 08:25 PM
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Scientists who cancelled their Arctic expedition due to thick ice conditions haves an interesting excuse for why they had to abandon their research project — climate change.

“We’re doing a large-scale climate change study and before we can even get going on it, climate change is conspiring to force us to cancel that study,” David Barber, a University of Manitoba scientist who lead the expedition, told The Guardian Wednesday.

Barber’s expedition set out in late May after being caught in 25-foot thick ice off the northern coast of Newfoundland. The expedition was forced to turn back after spending hundreds of thousands of dollars for a four-year project to study the effects of global warming on Hudson Bay.

Now, Barber and fellow researchers are blaming their botched expedition on global warming, or climate change, as they call it.

Their evidence? Not much, except the opinions of some scientists involved — at least, The Guardian didn’t present any evidence otherwise. The paper just assumed climate change was the culprit.

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http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/14/scientists-blame-climate-change-for-thick-sea-ice-that-halted-arctic-expedition/
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That was three years ago..fail

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Jun 15 2017, 08:27 PM

THE complete list of things caused by global warming...

http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/warmlist.htm
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Breaking! The Earth is not only 6,000 years old, Jesus didn't dance with dinosaurs and.... grip yourself here, Mozzie, this is going to shake you... the world isn't flat!!!

Oh yeah and global warming exists and is coming to bite your sorry arse - deal with it. ;-)

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We have a new global warmer on board!

Hughmac has drunk the Kool-Aid, passed-out in the bushes next to the serving table and is waiting for his 'warming' to begin.

The heat is on, ......!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiuBWPKHTPA&t=333s


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Why can't god-bothering Americans get it into their heads that global warming will trigger an ice age? Clue: North West Scotland has palm trees which is on the same latitude as the north of Canada. Another clue: salt water is heavier than fresh water. Last clue: ocean whims.


One more time, "...global warming will trigger an ice age." ....?

Where's the liquor cabinet...?
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Ah, the Mail again? This is what, posting number 4 for that image? or 5? I've lost count. Let's put it in context, again:Posted Image

To anyone rational, what matters is the long term trend - the long red line, down, from a to b.

But the deceivers at the Mail have reported a one year increase -- from c to d -- as if nothing before or after happened. Guess they count on their readers being that gullible. ;)

This is typical of the tricks used by deniers, in this case cherry picking an outlying low reference point, rather than average as a base.
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W A Mozart
Jun 15 2017, 08:25 PM
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Scientists who cancelled their Arctic expedition due to thick ice conditions haves an interesting excuse for why they had to abandon their research project — climate change.

“We’re doing a large-scale climate change study and before we can even get going on it, climate change is conspiring to force us to cancel that study,” David Barber, a University of Manitoba scientist who lead the expedition, told The Guardian Wednesday.

Barber’s expedition set out in late May after being caught in 25-foot thick ice off the northern coast of Newfoundland. The expedition was forced to turn back after spending hundreds of thousands of dollars for a four-year project to study the effects of global warming on Hudson Bay.

Now, Barber and fellow researchers are blaming their botched expedition on global warming, or climate change, as they call it.

Their evidence? Not much, except the opinions of some scientists involved — at least, The Guardian didn’t present any evidence otherwise. The paper just assumed climate change was the culprit.

Posted Image


http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/14/scientists-blame-climate-change-for-thick-sea-ice-that-halted-arctic-expedition/
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That was three years ago..fail

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More like 3 days ago :lol:
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Jun 19 2017, 11:44 AM
Ah, the Mail again? This is what, posting number 4 for that image? or 5? I've lost count. Let's put it in context, again:Posted Image

To anyone rational, what matters is the long term trend - the long red line, down, from a to b.

But the deceivers at the Mail have reported a one year increase -- from c to d -- as if nothing before or after happened. Guess they count on their readers being that gullible. ;)

This is typical of the tricks used by deniers, in this case cherry picking an outlying low reference point, rather than average as a base.
Let's start with that opening sentence, shall we?
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To anyone rational, what matters is the long term trend - the long red line, down, from a to b.


Long term trend, eh? To anyone "rational" the use of 1979 as the "average" for Arctic sea ice is, ...ridiculous. We've discussed this topic many times before.

Furthermore, speaking of long term, how about we really go "long term" and note that during the 1920' and 1930's there were periods where there was open passage over the summer months at the top of the world? How'd that happen? Hmm?

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/05/02/cache-of-historical-arctic-sea-ice-maps-discovered/






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Finally in 1923 something new happens: The ice east of Svalbard and east of Novaja Zemlja is on retreat.


Fig 7.
In 1930, the retreat has gone even further: Svalbard Is ice free, and ice free waters have been observed far east of Novaja Zemlja. In addition, the Baffin bay is now almost ice free. Puzzling is, that the ice extends on the pacific side of the Arctic remains rather constant in all these years.


Fig 8.
In 1932 we see in August open ice almost all along the Russian shore. So even though we do not see the September ice minimum here, we almost have an open NE passage.


Fig 9.
After a rather icy 1934, then 1935 again in August shows an almost open NE passage and in 1935 open waters are observed not that far from the North pole.



Fig 10.
In 1937, more open waters are observed in the Pacific and East Siberian areas.


Fig 11.
1938: Unprecedented areas of open waters.
(And again, this is not the ice minimum but just the August ice area)

Fig 12. 1931-1946
Already the year after, 1939, the ice extend resembles the pre 1923 extend.
We see that a decline in Arctic ice area from around 1921 ends possibly in 1938.



If the Arctic had "unprecedented areas of open waters" in 1938, ....wuz dat do your global warming theories? Shoots it full of holes.


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Jun 15 2017, 08:27 PM

THE complete list of things caused by global warming...

http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/warmlist.htm
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