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| Scientists Blame ‘Climate Change’ For Thick Sea Ice That Halted Arctic Expedition; You just can't make this stuff up... | |
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| W A Mozart | Jun 18 2017, 09:07 PM Post #21 |
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Unlike others posting on this forum, I make sure I reference all the points I make (ahem...). See ----> http://www.dmi.dk/en/groenland/maalinger/greenland-ice-sheet-surface-mass-budget/ Here's what the ice surface of Greenland looks like TODAY....! ![]() ![]() No global warming, it's all a farce! Mozart |
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| nNeo | Jun 18 2017, 09:23 PM Post #22 |
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"SURFACE mass" it's a perfectly legit graph, but doesn't mean what you think it does. Greenland got more snow than usual this year, which that reflects, however that graphic doesn't include ice that was lost through glaciers calving and bottom melt. From you're own link: "Satellite observations over the last decade show that the ice sheet is not in balance. The calving loss is greater than the gain from surface mass balance, and Greenland is losing mass at about 200 Gt/yr." Edited by nNeo, Jun 18 2017, 09:28 PM.
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| W A Mozart | Jun 18 2017, 09:32 PM Post #23 |
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Not the point! It's peanuts, ...peanuts.... We gotcha here, fell right into the trap.....
http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/report-card/report-card-2016/artmid/5022/articleid/277/greenland-ice-sheet "Using The Economist ratio of 400 km3 to 375 gigatonnes, 2,600,000 km3 works out to 2,437,500 gigatonnes. When some actual perspective is applied, it is obvious that “the ice sheet goeth” nowhere:" ..... Finally there is this lovely quote: "Despite all of the warming since the end of Neoglaciation, the Greenland ice sheet still retains more than 99% of its 1900 AD ice mass." Mozart Edited by W A Mozart, Jun 18 2017, 09:40 PM.
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| nNeo | Jun 18 2017, 09:38 PM Post #24 |
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It's exactly the point. You posted a story about an arctic expedition being canceled because of sea ice, pretending that meant it was unusually cold. When shown to be wrong, you posted a link you literally didn't understand, showing Greenland losing hundreds of BILLIONS of tonnes of ice per year, but thinking it was showing growth. You're now claiming that a net loss of hundreds of BILLIONS of tonnes, over several decades, doesn't mean anything. The desperation of deniers grows ever more comical. The "point" is not how long it will take for all of Greenland to melt (it's quite big). The point is that clearly the Arctic IS warmer than it was, and becoming more so. Edited by nNeo, Jun 18 2017, 09:39 PM.
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| Mr. Tik | Jun 18 2017, 09:49 PM Post #25 |
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LOL..Mozzie is less like his namesake and more like Wile E Coyote ![]() |
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You may be a conservative republican..if you are pro life until you get your mistress knocked up | |
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| W A Mozart | Jun 18 2017, 09:51 PM Post #26 |
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No, what the guy is trying to point out is that YOUR graph is bupkis, nonsense. It is MEANT to scare people, ...see! ...see! ...we're all gonna die. It shows DRAMATIC falls in Greenland ice coverage where in reality, real science, the numbers are so small in relation to all of Greenland's ice mass that its reference becomes suspect. A speck. A drop in the bucket. Even if true, ( which those numbers are probably massaged by state-funded, stick-to-the-party-line so-called scientists.... ), they point to nothing. Greenland is fine. I don't care how many icebergs you post on this thread, it's a naturally occurring climate event. If you don't believe me, ask one of the relatives of one of the survivors of the Titanic. Mozart |
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| Mr. Tik | Jun 18 2017, 09:55 PM Post #27 |
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You may be a conservative republican..if you are pro life until you get your mistress knocked up | |
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| Robertr2000 | Jun 18 2017, 10:54 PM Post #28 |
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| "if that **** wins we'll all hang from nooses" | |
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| nNeo | Jun 18 2017, 10:59 PM Post #29 |
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Who you cheerfully cited when you thought they agreed with you ![]() |
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| nNeo | Jun 18 2017, 11:12 PM Post #30 |
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Here's what summer ice looked like in the 80s: ![]() Here's what it looked like last summer: ![]() Natural variation doesn't explain the rapid, ongoing loss clearly observed over the past few decades. Antropogenic global warming does. |
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| Harambe4Trump | Jun 18 2017, 11:12 PM Post #31 |
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No, justice does. |
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Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary. #MAGA #wallsnotwars | |
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| Robertr2000 | Jun 18 2017, 11:16 PM Post #32 |
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| "if that **** wins we'll all hang from nooses" | |
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| Mr. Tik | Jun 19 2017, 12:18 AM Post #33 |
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That was three years ago..fail ![]() |
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You may be a conservative republican..if you are pro life until you get your mistress knocked up | |
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| W A Mozart | Jun 19 2017, 09:38 AM Post #34 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXBzjBE9l5Q --------------------------------------------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kotqWXZkZS0... 97%...? It's kinda like 97% of all doctors recommend smoking to improve your health..... ![]() Mozart Edited by W A Mozart, Jun 19 2017, 09:48 AM.
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| W A Mozart | Jun 19 2017, 09:51 AM Post #35 |
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Mozart |
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| W A Mozart | Jun 19 2017, 09:57 AM Post #36 |
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One more time, "...global warming will trigger an ice age." ....? Where's the liquor cabinet...? ![]() Life is good....! .. Mozart Edited by W A Mozart, Jun 19 2017, 10:05 AM.
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| nNeo | Jun 19 2017, 11:44 AM Post #37 |
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Ah, the Mail again? This is what, posting number 4 for that image? or 5? I've lost count. Let's put it in context, again:![]() To anyone rational, what matters is the long term trend - the long red line, down, from a to b. But the deceivers at the Mail have reported a one year increase -- from c to d -- as if nothing before or after happened. Guess they count on their readers being that gullible. This is typical of the tricks used by deniers, in this case cherry picking an outlying low reference point, rather than average as a base. Edited by nNeo, Jun 19 2017, 11:54 AM.
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| Robertr2000 | Jun 19 2017, 12:01 PM Post #38 |
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"2017/06/14" More like 3 days ago
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| W A Mozart | Jun 19 2017, 12:34 PM Post #39 |
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Let's start with that opening sentence, shall we?
Long term trend, eh? To anyone "rational" the use of 1979 as the "average" for Arctic sea ice is, ...ridiculous. We've discussed this topic many times before. Furthermore, speaking of long term, how about we really go "long term" and note that during the 1920' and 1930's there were periods where there was open passage over the summer months at the top of the world? How'd that happen? Hmm? https://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/05/02/cache-of-historical-arctic-sea-ice-maps-discovered/
If the Arctic had "unprecedented areas of open waters" in 1938, ....wuz dat do your global warming theories? Shoots it full of holes. Mozart |
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| clone | Jun 19 2017, 02:28 PM Post #40 |
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