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Topic Started: Jul 11 2017, 10:42 AM (1,183 Views)
estonianman
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BuckFan
Jul 17 2017, 04:53 PM
estonianman
Jul 17 2017, 03:47 PM
wilmywood8455
Jul 17 2017, 03:38 PM
Nobody but you is still talking about the Russians hacking the DNC.

And your FORMER and retired 'lntel vets' have no knowledge of what the current intel have seen.
Pretty much everyone on the left, on this forum claim that the Russians hacked the election, hacked the DNC.

Cautionary Tales, Buckfan (who tried to defend the Russian hack theory in this thread, and failed) state this like it is common knowledge.
Nobody is questioning the Russian hacking except you. Even Trump is slowly admitting they were behind the hacking. You are becoming very lonely on that island.
I doubt that is true - most people have Russian fatigue including those in congress.

and the Russian hack needs to be questioned, you are blaming a nuclear power for the incompetence of the DNC - it could eventually lead to a hot war.
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Assange: Russian government not the source of WikiLeaks emails
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Still no evidence...I'll check back again next week!
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Jul 24 2017, 12:38 AM
Still no evidence...I'll check back again next week!
Copy pasta - NSA Officials and Computer Expert: Forensic Evidence Proves DNC Emails Were LEAKED, Not Hacked

The Time Sequence

June 12, 2016: Assange announces WikiLeaks is about to publish “emails related to Hillary Clinton.”

June 15, 2016: DNC contractor Crowdstrike, (with a dubious professional record and multiple conflicts of interest) announces that malware has been found on the DNC server and claims there is evidence it was injected by Russians.

June 15, 2016: On the same day, “Guccifer 2.0” affirms the DNC statement; claims responsibility for the “hack;” claims to be a WikiLeaks source; and posts a document that the forensics show was synthetically tainted with “Russian fingerprints.”

We do not think that the June 12 & 15 timing was pure coincidence. Rather, it suggests the start of a pre-emptive move to associate Russia with anything WikiLeaks might have been about to publish and to “show” that it came from a Russian hack.

The Key Event

July 5, 2016: In the early evening, Eastern Daylight Time, someone working in the EDT time zone with a computer directly connected to the DNC server or DNC Local Area Network, copied 1,976 MegaBytes of data in 87 seconds onto an external storage device. That speed is many times faster than what is physically possible with a hack.

It thus appears that the purported “hack” of the DNC by Guccifer 2.0 (the self-proclaimed WikiLeaks source) was not a hack by Russia or anyone else, but was rather a copy of DNC data onto an external storage device. Moreover, the forensics performed on the metadata reveal there was a subsequent synthetic insertion – a cut-and-paste job using a Russian template, with the clear aim of attributing the data to a “Russian hack.” This was all performed in the East Coast time zone.
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estonianman
Jul 11 2017, 04:36 PM
BuckFan
Jul 11 2017, 03:05 PM
estonianman
Jul 11 2017, 10:42 AM
As you know - many claims are coming from the left regarding wrongdoing by the Trump campaign and his presidency. All of this requires evidence, and an actual crime - which in my opinion has yet to be stated. Buckfan compiled a list yesterday which yet again - lacked any supporting evidence. Don't waste my time with "but muh' Mueller will eventually ..." - you don't even know what he is investigating and Trump is innocent until proven guilty, that's how it works.

Let's start in the very beginning shall we? With the fecking server - the one that was allegedly hacked by the Russians to help Donald Trump

Provide evidence that the DNC server was in fact hacked. The FBI was denied access so the root of this accusation is based on word of mouth - from Podesta mostly who changed his story more than a "choose your adventure book"

Please list it here -
The FBI and the CIA were given technical data from the server. This data satisfied their experts enough that they decided they did not need access to the server to conclude the Russians were behind the hacking.

For anyone else interested here is a good summary:

https://www.cnet.com/news/how-experts-decided-russia-hacked-dnc-election/

Esto is like the conspiracy nuts that still think the moon landing was a hoax. There can never be enough evidence or explanation to convince him the Russians were behind it. Even though the GOP leadership and even now Trump accept this answer Esto will not give up.
Crowdstrike has been debunked.

A. The are for profit and have an incentive to drum up fear over hacking

B. They never made a connection to Russia, your link has no evidence to the contrary

If it was the Russians, why did the DNC refuse access to FBI investigators?

More and more it appears that it is the democrats and Clinton apologists that are hiding their guilt behind wild conspiracy theories and "reds under the bed" bulls**t.
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If it was the Russians, why did the DNC refuse access to FBI investigators?

The reason was pretty clear, the fix was in for Mrs. H. Clinton to win the DNC and if you allow the FBI to probe into emails etc. What do you think would happen? Bernie Sanders is sitting in the wings.... :lol: NUTZ !! The DNC shot themselves in the foot....The biggest problem is the media doesn't pressure that.... Wonder what would happen? That would be very interesting , more than the Trump show!!!!! :biggrin:

Just follow the dots...... :usa: Sammy
http://unitedstates.com/topic/10056042/1/#new

Edited by Sammy, Jul 24 2017, 05:07 PM.
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estonianman
Jul 24 2017, 02:38 PM
Right-Wing
Jul 24 2017, 12:38 AM
Still no evidence...I'll check back again next week!
Copy pasta - NSA Officials and Computer Expert: Forensic Evidence Proves DNC Emails Were LEAKED, Not Hacked

The Time Sequence

June 12, 2016: Assange announces WikiLeaks is about to publish “emails related to Hillary Clinton.”

June 15, 2016: DNC contractor Crowdstrike, (with a dubious professional record and multiple conflicts of interest) announces that malware has been found on the DNC server and claims there is evidence it was injected by Russians.

June 15, 2016: On the same day, “Guccifer 2.0” affirms the DNC statement; claims responsibility for the “hack;” claims to be a WikiLeaks source; and posts a document that the forensics show was synthetically tainted with “Russian fingerprints.”

We do not think that the June 12 & 15 timing was pure coincidence. Rather, it suggests the start of a pre-emptive move to associate Russia with anything WikiLeaks might have been about to publish and to “show” that it came from a Russian hack.

The Key Event

July 5, 2016: In the early evening, Eastern Daylight Time, someone working in the EDT time zone with a computer directly connected to the DNC server or DNC Local Area Network, copied 1,976 MegaBytes of data in 87 seconds onto an external storage device. That speed is many times faster than what is physically possible with a hack.

It thus appears that the purported “hack” of the DNC by Guccifer 2.0 (the self-proclaimed WikiLeaks source) was not a hack by Russia or anyone else, but was rather a copy of DNC data onto an external storage device. Moreover, the forensics performed on the metadata reveal there was a subsequent synthetic insertion – a cut-and-paste job using a Russian template, with the clear aim of attributing the data to a “Russian hack.” This was all performed in the East Coast time zone.
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Pick eh story......... :biggrin: Sammy


https://www.google.ca/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=BdN2Wbb7NeefXufVkqAJ&gws_rd=ssl#q=the+Russians,+why+did+the+DNC+refuse+access+to+FBI+investigators?+&spf=1500959503900
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estonianman
Jul 17 2017, 09:11 PM
BuckFan
Jul 17 2017, 04:51 PM
estonianman
Jul 12 2017, 08:12 PM
BuckFan
Jul 12 2017, 08:04 PM
Crowdsource is a public example of the evidence against the Russians. Want to discredit it? Fine.

The fact is the IC also says that it is conclusive that the Russians hacked the DNC and Podesta emails. Their evidence is classified so we will not see it for years but they have shown it to Republican Congressmen, who have every reason to no believe it, and convinced them the story is true.

Esto continues to ignore this fact. The GOP Congressional leadership is not questioning the evidence. His only point, repeated over and over, is that the evidence is not public so he hasn't seen it. There are a lot of cases and investigations where the evidence is never made public. Court files are sealed. Government investigations are classified. Esto would have us believe that makes all those cases false too.
We are back to the retracted and irrelevant DNI report.

The IC said that the Russians tried to manipulate the election in general - they never said anything about the DNC server which they were denied access to.
Wrong once again. You have a good track record there.

The DNI report specifically said that Wikileaks received stolen (hacked) material from Russian intelligence.

https://www.wired.com/2017/01/feds-damning-report-russian-election-hack-wont-convince-skeptics/

You really should study up on what you post about. Being wrong so much is just embarrassing. Do you like going through life ignorant?
The DNI report is BS, fluff actually.

The FBI had no access to the server after the attack.
DEM RULES

1 you must assume Trump's a Russian BUT evidence says otherwise

2 you must assume Obama's an American BUT evidence says otherwise

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Jul 24 2017, 12:38 AM
Still no evidence...I'll check back again next week!
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Where is the evidence?

Meanwhile Seymour Hersh admits that Seth Rich took the DNC data and gave it to Wikileaks.

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