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Brazil's ex-president Lula sentenced to nearly 10 years in prison for corruption; che?
Topic Started: Jul 12 2017, 09:50 PM (796 Views)
jake58

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jul/12/brazil-president-lula-convicted-corruption

Luis Inacio Lula da Silva, once the most popular president in Brazil’s recent history, has been sentenced to nine years and six months in prison after being found guilty on corruption and money-laundering charges
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Che On The Rocks

It's an example of lawfare. It's clear reading this AP article:
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Silva’s defense team issued a scathing statement after the ruling, calling the charges an attack on democracy and vowing to prove the former president’s innocence.

“President Lula has been the victim of lawfare, the use of the law for political ends, the famous method used to brutal effect in various dictatorships throughout history,” the lawyers said.
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Silva was accused of receiving a beachfront apartment and repairs to the property as kickbacks from construction company OAS. Silva never owned the apartment, but prosecutors argued it was intended for him. Prosecutors also alleged that OAS paid to store Silva’s belongings, but Moro dismissed that part of the case.


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Lula will appeal. If that fails, he will be banned of politics and...

In Brazil, Lula conviction opens field for 2018 presidential race
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BRASILIA (Reuters) - The graft conviction Wednesday of former Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, a front-runner for next year's presidential election, opens the door for an outsider to take power in Latin America's largest country, political experts said.

Lula, a giant on the Brazilian political scene who led Brazil from 2003 to 2011, has said he wants to run for president again next year. But if his nearly 10-year sentence is upheld on appeal, Lula, a founder of the leftist Workers Party, would be barred from seeking office again for eight years, beginning after any jail time is complete.
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Despite his legal woes, the charismatic Lula remains Brazil's best-known politician and has retained a base of loyal supporters. As president, he channeled resources from a commodities boom into social programs that helped lift millions from poverty.

Recent surveys from the respected Datafolha polling institute show that in a second-round runoff next year, Lula would beat all contenders with the exception of the environmentalist and two-time presidential candidate Marina Silva, with whom he is in a technical tie.

But if Lula cannot run, and with roughly 20 percent of the electorate undecided on any candidate, the election is up for grabs.


But those candidates are all puppets of the Brazilian oligarchy. They will continue Temer's neoliberal program.

Thus, the Brazilian elite will get richer, and the rest of the population, poorer. More or less like in Argentina.

Or in the USA. :cool:
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From your AP article...

Silva also faces charges in four other cases. The former union leader has said all the charges are completely unfounded, and his defiant testimony in the case decided Wednesday was billed as a showdown between himself and Moro. Both men are viewed as national heroes by some parts of Brazilian society.

Oh dear... South American politics... so filthy
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jake58
 
From your AP article...
Please, don't despair! In some months, there will be 40 cases against Lula. Whatever it takes!

jake58
 
Oh dear... South American politics... so filthy
Jesus, Mr. Benghazi! Do you mean, so filthy like American politics? What will your Russian Mole-in-Chief say?

Ha ha ha ha!
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Ex-Brazil president Lula launches fiery defense after corruption conviction
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Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva vows to run for highest office again in 2018 and says at Workers’ party headquarters: ‘They haven’t taken me out of the game’
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Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva told the crowd at Workers’ party headquarters: ‘From this moment I want to ask the Workers’ party for the right to be a candidate for president.’ Photograph: Nacho Doce/Reuters

Convicted Former Brazilian President Lula ‘A Victim of Lawfare’
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"This sentence, convicting Lula to almost 10 years, is a political one" a legal representative for former Brazilian President Lula da Silva told Radio Sputnik on Thursday. "He is the victim of lawfare: the use of judicial instruments of the law for political persecution."
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poor che, all his heroes are scumbags
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Jul 14 2017, 09:14 AM
poor che, all his heroes are scumbags
I wasnt aware he was a Trump supporter
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Jul 14 2017, 06:32 PM
jake58
Jul 14 2017, 09:14 AM
poor che, all his heroes are scumbags
I wasnt aware he was a Trump supporter
Che only supports Latin American politicians....All of whom define the word , corruption......... :oyvey
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jake58
 
poor che, all his heroes are scumbags
If Lula is a scumbag for you, that means he is a great guy. :cool:
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Che only supports Latin American politicians....All of whom define the word , corruption......... :oyvey
Give me a break! :biggrin:
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Dear American fellows: the days of "American exceptionalism", including "American moral superiority", are over. Please, adapt. :cool:
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A Further Blow to Democracy in Brazil? Glenn Greenwald on Conviction of Lula Ahead of 2018 Election
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Former Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva has been convicted on corruption charges and sentenced to nine-and-a-half years in prison. Lula, widely considered one of Brazil’s most popular political figures, is the front-runner in the 2018 elections. We look at how this development could impact his presidential bid, and we speak with Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Glenn Greenwald, co-founder of The Intercept.
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Lula: 'Everyone Knows Whose Side I'm on, Who I'll Govern For'
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Lula also spared no expense in his criticism of Brazil's elite class, noting that they “appear hateful" of the things that the working class and poor people are "proud of."
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Lula speaks beside a placard that reads, "Election without Lula is Fraud!" | Photo: Reuters
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A Political Purge
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We don't have to defend Lula to say his conviction is just about keeping him out of the 2018 presidential race.
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Brazil's former President Lula has assets frozen
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A Brazilian judge has ordered assets belonging to the country's former President, Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, to be frozen following his conviction for corruption.
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Lula was once Brazil's most popular president

Brazil's Lula says he is being persecuted in court as supporters protest
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SAO PAULO (Reuters) - Former Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, a leftist leader who is topping polls for the 2018 election, on Thursday told supporters protesting his conviction for corruption charges that his political opponents were persecuting him in the courts.
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OJ said he didn't do it...
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Also, from the Greenwald piece, which incidentally argues what I've said all along... that both sides are incredibly dirty in Brazil...

We haven’t seen massive street protests demanding the removal of Michel Temer, and we haven’t yet seen people pouring out onto the streets in anger over Lula’s conviction—albeit it’s been less than 24 hours since it happened. We might see that.

And the reason is, is that Brazilians are just exhausted. This is not a country where there are isolated corruption cases against specific political figures. This is a country which, for decades, has had a political class that is systematically corrupt. It runs on corruption. And the only thing that has changed is that you now have an independent judiciary, a judiciary that’s a little bit more or a lot more aggressive about holding people in political office accountable. There’s more transparency. And so it’s being exposed. And what Brazilians have seen is that the entire political class in Brasília, virtually, is itself corrupt, that their political system is one based in corruption. And so, they really aren’t convinced that they should be out on the street demanding Temer’s removal, as much as the country hates Temer across the board, because they’re not convinced that whoever replaces him is going to be any better,


And so, how much of a threat Lula really poses to the oligarchical class? He’s become very close allies with a lot of the leading plutocrats, a lot of the leading oil and construction executives. He’s made a lot of money by doing business with a lot of these extremely wealthy and powerful financial interests in Brazil. He’s not the Lula from 1986, where he was this firebrand, you know, hardcore socialist union leader. He’s been integrated into the power structure. And so, I do think that they want to make sure PT doesn’t come back to power, but I don’t think it’s accurate to depict it as them viewing Lula as some kind of towering enemy of the elite. I think that the elite has found a way to work with Lula and accommodate their interests with Lula. And so I don’t know how petrified they are of his return.
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OJ said he didn't do it...
Who? :cool:


jake58
 
Also, from the Greenwald piece, which incidentally argues what I've said all along... that both sides are incredibly dirty in Brazil...
It remembers so much about both sides in America... :cool:

Greenwald said a lot of more. For example:

"So, everything is about the underlying attempt to take away the benefits from the nation’s poor that PT has legislated for them, to make people work longer hours, to make them have fewer benefits, to transfer wealth from the laborers in this country and the poor in this country back to the oligarchs. That’s why Dilma was removed. That’s why Michel Temer is in power. That’s why they want to make Lula ineligible. And so, that is absolutely what lurks at the center of all of this intrigue."

Meanwhile, the hard facts remain: leftie Lula senteced. Rightie Temer free as a bird.
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Brazil’s former president sees politics in Silva conviction
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RIO DE JANEIRO — Former Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff said Friday that this week’s corruption conviction of her mentor and predecessor, Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, is a political move aimed at keeping him out of next year’s presidential election.

In an interview with The Associated Press, Rousseff said no candidate allied with President Michel Temer has the votes to beat Silva, universally known as Lula.

“The 2018 elections are an enigma. They do not have a candidate to compete against Lula,” Rousseff said. “You can’t know what the result will be, but they know people noticed they had meaningful gains when he was in office. They want to stop Lula from being eligible.”
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Brazil’s former President Dilma Rousseff gives an interview in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, Friday, July 14, 2017. Rousseff says the corruption conviction of her mentor and predecessor Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva is aimed at keeping him out of next year’s presidential election. Rousseff was impeached last year for manipulating the fiscal budget. (Silvia Izquierdo/Associated Press)
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Brazil’s former president sees politics in Silva conviction
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RIO DE JANEIRO — Former Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff said Friday that this week’s corruption conviction of her mentor and predecessor, Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, is a political move aimed at keeping him out of next year’s presidential election.

In an interview with The Associated Press, Rousseff said no candidate allied with President Michel Temer has the votes to beat Silva, universally known as Lula.

“The 2018 elections are an enigma. They do not have a candidate to compete against Lula,” Rousseff said. “You can’t know what the result will be, but they know people noticed they had meaningful gains when he was in office. They want to stop Lula from being eligible.”
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Brazil’s former President Dilma Rousseff gives an interview in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, Friday, July 14, 2017. Rousseff says the corruption conviction of her mentor and predecessor Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva is aimed at keeping him out of next year’s presidential election. Rousseff was impeached last year for manipulating the fiscal budget. (Silvia Izquierdo/Associated Press)
Isn't she the one who got impeached? Who cares what she thinks? Other than you of course...
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Jul 24 2017, 06:53 AM
jake58
 
OJ said he didn't do it...
Who? :cool:


jake58
 
Also, from the Greenwald piece, which incidentally argues what I've said all along... that both sides are incredibly dirty in Brazil...
It remembers so much about both sides in America... :cool:

Greenwald said a lot of more. For example:

"So, everything is about the underlying attempt to take away the benefits from the nation’s poor that PT has legislated for them, to make people work longer hours, to make them have fewer benefits, to transfer wealth from the laborers in this country and the poor in this country back to the oligarchs. That’s why Dilma was removed. That’s why Michel Temer is in power. That’s why they want to make Lula ineligible. And so, that is absolutely what lurks at the center of all of this intrigue."

Meanwhile, the hard facts remain: leftie Lula senteced. Rightie Temer free as a bird.
Yes, well, we're not talking about the US are we? Brazil...corruption...pervasive...all parties... try to focus, che

btw, despite being found guilty and sentenced, Lula is also... 'free as a bird' pending appeal
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jake58
 
Isn't she the one who got impeached?
In a palace/soft coup, yes.

jake58
 
Who cares what she thinks?
You, given the fact that you react to her.

jake58
 
Other than you of course...
Other than you and me, the 54M of Brazilians who voted for her. :cool:

jake58
 
Yes, well, we're not talking about the US are we?
America sucks. :cool: So we will drag her a while longer.

jake58
 
Brazil...corruption...pervasive...all parties...
Jesus, Jakie Boy! It's like both American parties, authorizing some "war".

jake58
 
try to focus, che
Like a laser beam!

jake58
 
btw, despite being found guilty and sentenced, Lula is also... 'free as a bird' pending appeal
Imagine your "happiness" if that appeal finds Lula not guilty. :cool:
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