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Why did Don Jr.'s emails surface? Because Robert Mueller is already changing Washington's lying ways; An Op-Ed
Topic Started: Jul 15 2017, 02:54 PM (694 Views)
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For more than a year, the most senior officials in the Trump administration have adamantly, even scornfully, denied that there was any contact between the Trump campaign and the Russian government. The bombshell report earlier this week of Donald Trump Jr.’s efforts to secure dirt on Hillary Clinton from Russian officials — and his June 9, 2016, meeting with the supposed purveyor of that dirt as well as then-Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort and his father’s aide Jared Kushner — has put the lie to those denials.

Why has the truth emerged now? A careful parsing of the events of the last few days points to the importance of the federal criminal investigation overseen by a stalwart special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III. His behind-the-scenes work already has changed the rules of the game for the White House and contributed to a more accurate public accounting.

The New York Times, which broke the story, reports that it was Kushner’s legal team that recently discovered the now-infamous email chain in which Trump Jr. was told that a senior Russian government official had documents that “would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father,” to which Trump Jr. quickly replied, “If it’s what you say I love it.”

And here is where Mueller’s investigation has rewritten the rule book for senior White House officials. To receive a security clearance, Kushner had to complete a form — the SF-86 — detailing, under penalty of perjury, every contact he had with foreign government officials in the last seven years. (I dealt with SF-86s as a deputy assistant attorney general at the Department of Justice.)

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-litman-the-special-counselor-is-already-getting-the-truth-out-20170714-story.html#nws=mcnewsletter
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Perhaps no quality has more stunned and frustrated the president’s critics than his brazen willingness to lie. Trump frequently appears to have no independent regard for truth, to see veracity in purely expedient terms: What he can get away with in public debate. More dumbfounding, he and others in the White House do seem to get away with it, ridiculing plainly objective accounts as “fake news.”

But the prospect of genuine legal jeopardy upends the calculation, certainly for Trump’s subordinates, who have future careers to lose, families to raise and, unlike the president, no general insulation from criminal prosecution. It is probable that some powerful people will be going to jail as a result of the Mueller investigation. Among the likeliest candidates are those who don’t realize that the game has changed, and that in the ambit of the special counsel investigation, and the courts of law, a lie is a lie.
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When will crooked Hillary release the 33,000 emails then?
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She's not the topic here. Why don't you start another thread about that?
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wilmywood8455
Jul 15 2017, 04:53 PM
She's not the topic here. Why don't you start another thread about that?
You said Mueller is holding politicians accountable, or is it only Republicans?

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Repeat. Feel free to start a thread of your own. And I'd be interested to see where you got that quote (the one you don't have).
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estonianman
Jul 15 2017, 03:44 PM
When will crooked Hillary release the 33,000 emails then?
Yabbut number one
You may be a conservative republican..if you are pro life until you get your mistress knocked up
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estonianman
Jul 15 2017, 05:55 PM
wilmywood8455
Jul 15 2017, 04:53 PM
She's not the topic here. Why don't you start another thread about that?
You said Mueller is holding politicians accountable, or is it only Republicans? <br /><br />
Yabbut number two..where's Ringo??
You may be a conservative republican..if you are pro life until you get your mistress knocked up
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Adolph Hipster
Jul 15 2017, 06:03 PM
estonianman
Jul 15 2017, 05:55 PM
wilmywood8455
Jul 15 2017, 04:53 PM
She's not the topic here. Why don't you start another thread about that?
You said Mueller is holding politicians accountable, or is it only Republicans? <br /><br />
Yabbut number two..where's Ringo??
Ringo only sees liberal yabbuts.
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Jul 15 2017, 09:07 PM
Adolph Hipster
Jul 15 2017, 06:03 PM
estonianman
Jul 15 2017, 05:55 PM
wilmywood8455
Jul 15 2017, 04:53 PM
She's not the topic here. Why don't you start another thread about that?
You said Mueller is holding politicians accountable, or is it only Republicans? <br /><br />
Yabbut number two..where's Ringo??
Ringo only sees liberal yabbuts.
I disagree - he's called you out on plenty of yabbuts - leftist.
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It was release them or see them released.

Either way it finally looks like at some level interference really did have an element of collusion. Or at least the attempt. Perhaps the only one or as truths drips out will it be the first of many?

Personally I am sorry to see it developing in that direction.






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Coast2coast
Jul 15 2017, 09:37 PM
It was release them or see them released.

Either way it finally looks like at some level interference really did have an element of collusion. Or at least the attempt. Perhaps the only one or as truths drips out will it be the first of many?

Personally I am sorry to see it developing in that direction.






I'm still trying to understand what "Russian government official" Donald met with during the campaign....All the Russkies named denied they are connected with the Kremlin...Indeed, one "Russian official" is an American citizen...This reminds me of Joe McCarthy's meetings of the House Unamerican activities committee....Perhaps that is where "witch hunt" comes from....The media is setting itself up to be sued big time........... :oyvey
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Adolph Hipster
Jul 15 2017, 06:03 PM
estonianman
Jul 15 2017, 05:55 PM
wilmywood8455
Jul 15 2017, 04:53 PM
She's not the topic here. Why don't you start another thread about that?
You said Mueller is holding politicians accountable, or is it only Republicans? <br /><br />
Yabbut number two..where's Ringo??
LOL. Poor Tickle-me-memo, got the tuna on the brain. Between him and the Mex, I got me a two hole luxury outhouse all to myself.

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Yes, and not a single law was broken.

Another obsessive" nothing burger"

Somebody call Rachel Maddow!

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Let me get this straight...

Don Jr. is in trouble because he agreed to hear someone speak?
Donald Trump is Barack Obama's President!
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Jul 16 2017, 09:20 PM
Let me get this straight...

Don Jr. is in trouble because he agreed to hear someone speak?
"Someone"? Just someone?

And just "one" or is it four, or is it six or... :dunno:


In all fairness you probably did not hear about the email chain that Donald Trump Jr. released. They are available, I could put them up here if you like. :)



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Jul 16 2017, 09:26 PM
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Jul 16 2017, 09:20 PM
Let me get this straight...

Don Jr. is in trouble because he agreed to hear someone speak?
"Someone"? Just someone?

And just "one" or is it four, or is it six or... :dunno:


In all fairness you probably did not hear about the email chain that Donald Trump Jr. released. They are available, I could put them up here if you like. :)



I read the emails, that's why I'm asking the question. All he agreed to was a meeting in which he would hear what someone had to say.

Please show me where it was anything more than that...
Donald Trump is Barack Obama's President!
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Don't run away now coast2coast...
Donald Trump is Barack Obama's President!
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So what are we supposed to believe? That if the Russian lawyer had a portable hard drive with with 10 GB of hacked Hillary Clinton emails that they outright admitted the Russian government had obtained illegally, that Donald Trump Jr., the man who had no qualms meeting with someone he was told was a Russian foreign agent and who he expected to have "opposition research", aka dirt on his dad's political opponent, would have declined to take the hard drive because suddenly he developed qualms?

Really?
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Jul 16 2017, 10:33 PM
So what are we supposed to believe? That if the Russian lawyer had a portable hard drive with with 10 GB of hacked Hillary Clinton emails that they outright admitted the Russian government had obtained illegally, that Donald Trump Jr., the man who had no qualms meeting with someone he was told was a Russian foreign agent and who he expected to have "opposition research", aka dirt on his dad's political opponent, would have declined to take the hard drive because suddenly he developed qualms?

Really?
Quite an imagination you got there...too bad for you none of it happened and even if it did...it wouldn't have been illegal. Sorry, not sorry.
Donald Trump is Barack Obama's President!
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