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No, Trump can’t pardon himself. The Constitution tells us so.; More Bad News For The Lair In Chief
Topic Started: Jul 22 2017, 09:30 PM (555 Views)
70-101
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Can a president pardon himself? Four days before Richard Nixon resigned, his own Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel opined no, citing “the fundamental rule that no one may be a judge in his own case.” We agree.


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dr345
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The repub congress would let him anyway
un jour on se souviendra de ca comme on se souvient de ca
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It's never been tested in court, so we can't say with absolute certainty one way or the other.
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Jul 22 2017, 10:13 PM
It's never been tested in court, so we can't say with absolute certainty one way or the other.
I understand your point..but

It's never been tested in court because no one, including Nixon and English Royalty have even attempted to pardon themselves.

Besides, wouldn't Trump need to admit quilt before he pardon's himself?
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70-101
Jul 22 2017, 10:22 PM
Opinionated
Jul 22 2017, 10:13 PM
It's never been tested in court, so we can't say with absolute certainty one way or the other.
I understand your point..but

It's never been tested in court because no one, including Nixon and English Royalty have even attempted to pardon themselves.

Besides, wouldn't Trump need to admit quilt before he pardon's himself?
A Presidential pardon can be granted before chargers are filed, before someone is convicted, or after conviction. Even after they've already served their sentence, although how much good that would do other than clearing their record, is anyone's guess.

Guilt doesn't have to be admitted or proved. Of course the implication if a President were to attempt to pardon himself is that he had done something illegal that needed to be pardoned. Still, I doubt that implication would stop someone like Trump if it meant even the small of chances that he wouldn't have to do jail time.
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Jul 22 2017, 10:36 PM
70-101
Jul 22 2017, 10:22 PM
Opinionated
Jul 22 2017, 10:13 PM
It's never been tested in court, so we can't say with absolute certainty one way or the other.
I understand your point..but

It's never been tested in court because no one, including Nixon and English Royalty have even attempted to pardon themselves.

Besides, wouldn't Trump need to admit quilt before he pardon's himself?
A Presidential pardon can be granted before chargers are filed, before someone is convicted, or after conviction. Even after they've already served their sentence, although how much good that would do other than clearing their record, is anyone's guess.

Guilt doesn't have to be admitted or proved. Of course the implication if a President were to attempt to pardon himself is that he had done something illegal that needed to be pardoned. Still, I doubt that implication would stop someone like Trump if it meant even the small of chances that he wouldn't have to do jail time.
I don't fundamentally disagree with your opinion but...Legal Scholars Laurence Tribe and Richard Painter both say no one can be both the judge and defendant in the same matter, I believe that's the Justice Departments current position as well.
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70-101
Jul 22 2017, 10:43 PM
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Jul 22 2017, 10:36 PM
70-101
Jul 22 2017, 10:22 PM
Opinionated
Jul 22 2017, 10:13 PM
It's never been tested in court, so we can't say with absolute certainty one way or the other.
I understand your point..but

It's never been tested in court because no one, including Nixon and English Royalty have even attempted to pardon themselves.

Besides, wouldn't Trump need to admit quilt before he pardon's himself?
A Presidential pardon can be granted before chargers are filed, before someone is convicted, or after conviction. Even after they've already served their sentence, although how much good that would do other than clearing their record, is anyone's guess.

Guilt doesn't have to be admitted or proved. Of course the implication if a President were to attempt to pardon himself is that he had done something illegal that needed to be pardoned. Still, I doubt that implication would stop someone like Trump if it meant even the small of chances that he wouldn't have to do jail time.
I don't fundamentally disagree with your opinion but...Legal Scholars Laurence Tribe and Richard Painter both say no one can be both the judge and defendant in the same matter, I believe that's the Justice Departments current position as well.
Yes, that is the Justice Department's stand currently. They might be correct. But we'll never know for certain until it is tested and the Supreme Court hands down a ruling.

Now, let me ask you this. If, for the sake of discussion, Trump's back was against the wall and there was proof beyond a shadow of a doubt that he has conspired with the Russians to win the Presidential election, Congress was in the process of impeaching him, and once impeach he would undoubtedly be facing federal charges that might put him away for the rest of his life (given that he's already in his seventies), and the only way he might, maybe, walk away scott free would be to pardon himself as his last official act as President prior to resigning/being impeached. What do you think he would do?

Cause, I'm thinking say, "damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!" and try to pardon himself.
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In my opinion Trump pardoning himself would be an admission of guilt, admitting guilt is not something Trump does. So, its more likely push comes to shove that he'll cut a deal with Mike Pence, then resign so Pence can pardon him.

Kind of like Nixon picking his old pal Jerry Ford as VP after Agnew resigned in disgrace, knowing full well Ford has his back, no matter the circumstances. Even at the cost of his reelection and political legacy.

Mike Pence is Trump's Jerry Ford, both party stooges who would do whatever is requested of them, even forsake their political legacies for the good of the party.

My sense is Trump will resign in the months ahead, and Pence will pardon him.

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Don't you just love it :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Based purely on leftist rhetoric with no evidence, no charges, no crime, no trial, no jury, :oyvey
We're into the sentencing and pardon stage. :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

I wonder if the pushers of this crap..........realize just how stupid this thread is

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Trump’s Lawyers Explore Pardon Powers :popcorn:


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Commit-ion of a crime is required before a pardon....Where is the crime ???....There is more indication that Hillary committed a crime....This reminds me, Hillary was not pardoned........... :booboo:
Jesus can raise the dead, but he can't fix stupid
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70-101
Jul 23 2017, 12:46 AM
Do you read a lot of comic books?..........they ain't real..........you know :lol:
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By this time in Watergate.........they actually had a crime to investigate :oyvey

If I had a car that misfired like the left wing press..........I'd scrap it :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

Severe case of premature ejaculation :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
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Jul 23 2017, 01:05 AM
Commit-ion of a crime is required before a pardon....Where is the crime ???....There is more indication that Hillary committed a crime....This reminds me, Hillary was not pardoned........... :booboo:
The Constitution allows for presidential pardons before an admission of guilt, an arrest, a conviction or even a trial, this fact is beyond debate.

This thread is about a sitting presidents ability to pardon themselves, while still in office.

In other words, its uncharted legal territory. Constitutional Scholars are divided on the legalities of a siting president pardoning themselves while still in office, and the Supreme Court has never ruled on this subject.

Trumps currently exploring the option of a self-pardon. He can pardon family members and business associates any time he wishes, again this fact is beyond debate.

But can he pardon himself?

I think not. :shakeshead:
Edited by 70-101, Jul 23 2017, 01:42 AM.
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I think that he's going to be more than willing to try if it comes down to it. We may have the chance to see.
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Jul 23 2017, 01:56 AM
I think that he's going to be more than willing to try if it comes down to it. We may have the chance to see.
Trump may attempt to self-pardon and remain in office, nothing surprises me with regard to the GOP.
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Jul 23 2017, 01:56 AM
I think that he's going to be more than willing to try if it comes down to it. We may have the chance to see.
Your post reminds me of a story I heard once about a man who closed his eyes when masturbating.
He ended up with a guide dog because whenever he opened his eyes........he didn't know where the F he was. :oyvey
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Wait - is Hillary Clinton asking for a pardon?
MEEK AND MILD
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Jul 22 2017, 09:30 PM
Can a president pardon himself? Four days before Richard Nixon resigned, his own Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel opined no, citing “the fundamental rule that no one may be a judge in his own case.” We agree.<br /><br /><br />LINK
WAPO? :lol:
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Jul 23 2017, 12:29 PM
70-101
Jul 22 2017, 09:30 PM
Can a president pardon himself? Four days before Richard Nixon resigned, his own Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel opined no, citing “the fundamental rule that no one may be a judge in his own case.” We agree.<br /><br /><br />LINK
WAPO? :lol:
One of the authors of the article, Richard Painter is a noted constitutional scholar, professor of law at U. of Illinois, a conservative, and was George W. Bush's Chief ethics lawyer.

He's also vice chair of Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington.

No wonder you disagree with him.

Conservatives are now eating their own. :popcorn:
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