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The US Military is Committing Suicide; A woman will train with other potential officers this summer in hopes of becoming the first female Navy SEAL.
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why not tankers,
As of July 6 they are tankers. My son's graduation class from One Station Unit Training at Benning included the first female graduates.
Actually, might not be such a bad idea having women as armor, the M1's are cramped beyond all get up, and it doesn't take muscles to pull the trigger on the weapons systems of a MBT.
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You know they're all reading and cheering him on.
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The first 2 female officers have already graduated and won their US Army Ranger tabs, why not the SEALS? The Rangers didn't soften their training, and the 2 female officers beat out other males.

What really scares you about women in combat roles...scared that your machismo might suffer if you have to fight with girls?

They're pilots, combat specialists on SHips of the Line, why not tankers, cannon xxxxers, AF para rescue jumpers?
They destroy combat unity and combat teamwork.

They also face horrible consequences if they're captured by the enemy or if they try to surrender.
That's what they said bout blacks when Truman forcibly integrated the US military, wrong then, wrong now, that's what they said bout open gays, wrong then, wrong now.

As for facing consequences if captured, you don't think men don't face rape when captured? I'd imagine for macho men to be raped by other men it would seem more devastating, don't you think?
Oh stop it Jim Crow tsalagi .. this isn't about race.

So out of every 500 women, you might find one who can qualify for special forces training. And out of every 100 women, you might find one or two that can qualify for combat training. That's without any handicaps or rules changes for the females.
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You expect them to have cheated.

Addendum: There are women on my reservation that can outshoot you, outrun you, out track you, out ride you, why shouldn't they get the chance?
I've said before, it ruins the male comraderie.
Why...are we men so insecure we can't take competition..the mere presence of women would somehow remove our masculinity?

So in essence you're saying, you can't be professional around women. Nothing would stop males from bonding.
Why do the combat units assign men to them while the women have to volunteer for them?

What's equal about that?
tsalagi is really doing the mambo dodging this question.

Why can't the guys volunteer for combat duty like the goils have to?

Go ahead .. finally answer it.
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I've said before, it ruins the male comraderie.
Why...are we men so insecure we can't take competition..the mere presence of women would somehow remove our masculinity?

So in essence you're saying, you can't be professional around women. Nothing would stop males from bonding.
Why do the combat units assign men to them while the women have to volunteer for them?

What's equal about that?
tsalagi is really doing the mambo dodging this question.

Why can't the guys volunteer for combat duty like the goils have to?

Go ahead .. finally answer it.
The gurus are not volunteering for combat duty they are however asking for the chance to be accepted in a combat mos.just like the men do now. I'm sure you get the difference right?
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why not tankers,
As of July 6 they are tankers. My son's graduation class from One Station Unit Training at Benning included the first female graduates.
Actually, might not be such a bad idea having women as armor, the M1's are cramped beyond all get up, and it doesn't take muscles to pull the trigger on the weapons systems of a MBT.
Yeah, my son is actually at the max height for the MOS. The one position where a female might face challenges in an M1 is the loader position. That does require some strength. It also requires some dexterity though which most women would be good at.
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Why...are we men so insecure we can't take competition..the mere presence of women would somehow remove our masculinity?

So in essence you're saying, you can't be professional around women. Nothing would stop males from bonding.
Why do the combat units assign men to them while the women have to volunteer for them?

What's equal about that?
tsalagi is really doing the mambo dodging this question.

Why can't the guys volunteer for combat duty like the goils have to?

Go ahead .. finally answer it.
The gurus are not volunteering for combat duty they are however asking for the chance to be accepted in a combat mos.just like the men do now. I'm sure you get the difference right?
They're being assigned to combat units? Infantry, artillery, armored divisions?

When did this happen?
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Why do the combat units assign men to them while the women have to volunteer for them?

What's equal about that?
tsalagi is really doing the mambo dodging this question.

Why can't the guys volunteer for combat duty like the goils have to?

Go ahead .. finally answer it.
The gurus are not volunteering for combat duty they are however asking for the chance to be accepted in a combat mos.just like the men do now. I'm sure you get the difference right?
They're being assigned to combat units? Infantry, artillery, armored divisions?

When did this happen?
There is no longer a draft. They don't run people through basic and then assign them to duty. People enlist in the military with a specific Mos as their goal and if that mos is not available they simply don't enlist.

The army has to pay pretty decent signing bonuses for the more dangerous combat positions.

So yes, men volunteer for combat mos and generally are not just assigned to them.
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why not tankers,
As of July 6 they are tankers. My son's graduation class from One Station Unit Training at Benning included the first female graduates.
Actually, might not be such a bad idea having women as armor, the M1's are cramped beyond all get up, and it doesn't take muscles to pull the trigger on the weapons systems of a MBT.
Yeah, my son is actually at the max height for the MOS. The one position where a female might face challenges in an M1 is the loader position. That does require some strength. It also requires some dexterity though which most women would be good at.
You're right, on the loader, because if I'm not mistaken on the layout, you'd have to twist what, 45 degree to pick up the road, then swivel?
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tsalagi is really doing the mambo dodging this question.

Why can't the guys volunteer for combat duty like the goils have to?

Go ahead .. finally answer it.
The gurus are not volunteering for combat duty they are however asking for the chance to be accepted in a combat mos.just like the men do now. I'm sure you get the difference right?
They're being assigned to combat units? Infantry, artillery, armored divisions?

When did this happen?
There is no longer a draft. They don't run people through basic and then assign them to duty. People enlist in the military with a specific Mos as their goal and if that mos is not available they simply don't enlist.

The army has to pay pretty decent signing bonuses for the more dangerous combat positions.

So yes, men volunteer for combat mos and generally are not just assigned to them.
So you're trying to tell me that infantry .. artillery .. and armor are all strictly voluntary.

You're not telling me the truth. I don't believe you.
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why not tankers,
As of July 6 they are tankers. My son's graduation class from One Station Unit Training at Benning included the first female graduates.
Actually, might not be such a bad idea having women as armor, the M1's are cramped beyond all get up, and it doesn't take muscles to pull the trigger on the weapons systems of a MBT.
Yeah, my son is actually at the max height for the MOS. The one position where a female might face challenges in an M1 is the loader position. That does require some strength. It also requires some dexterity though which most women would be good at.
You're right, on the loader, because if I'm not mistaken on the layout, you'd have to twist what, 45 degree to pick up the road, then swivel?
Are women assigned to the combat units? He said that the military is now all voluntary.

I don't think he's telling the truth.

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If anybody here is recent combat unit .. tell me if the services are now all voluntary for combat.
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If anybody here is recent combat unit .. tell me if the services are now all voluntary for combat.
My youngest boy is a Marine infantry platoon commander, all of his Marines were volunteers for the infantry, but demagogue is correct, when you see a recruiter, you place. 3 MOS's you're requesting based on scores on your ASVAB test.

You could request say Motor Transport mechanic, Supply Clerk, Basic, or Electrionics, Avionics. The military doesn't guarantee you an MOS, but it does say you'll get one of the three you request should there be a school opening for it.

Or if you want combat mos's , you could request Heavy Weapons (mortar's, machine gunner), Light Armored Infanty (LAI Units), or just Infantryman, Basic.

Your knowledge is behind the times. You should read up more.
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What does it take to pull the trigger on an M4, or M1 MBT, or a weapons system on a ship of the line...a finger and the willingness to follow orders...that's it.
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The gurus are not volunteering for combat duty they are however asking for the chance to be accepted in a combat mos.just like the men do now. I'm sure you get the difference right?
They're being assigned to combat units? Infantry, artillery, armored divisions?

When did this happen?
There is no longer a draft. They don't run people through basic and then assign them to duty. People enlist in the military with a specific Mos as their goal and if that mos is not available they simply don't enlist.

The army has to pay pretty decent signing bonuses for the more dangerous combat positions.

So yes, men volunteer for combat mos and generally are not just assigned to them.
So you're trying to tell me that infantry .. artillery .. and armor are all strictly voluntary.

You're not telling me the truth. I don't believe you.
Once you are in the military you obviously have to go where ordered to go but I can give you several examples based on the time my son spent deciding which MOS and which branch he wanted to serve in.

A primary example given by the Air Force SSG who is the recruiter in our area for that service was an individual who wanted to be a nurse. Basically any medical field had an incredibly long wait period. He had one person who had been on the waiting list for the nursing field for 8 months. He said that this individual would probably be waiting at least another 4 months before there was any chance of an opening in that field and for people going into that field there were no bonuses. What the Air Force wanted and needed (and was willing to pay a bonus for anyone who completed their training and entered service) was Security Forces (MPs), aviation mechanics, aviation electricians, and Special Forces. If you could qualify for any of those jobs then you would get in right away. What they don't do is take the person who volunteered to be a nurse or dental assistant and the force them to be a PJ.

With the Army it was similar. The cushy non-combat type jobs did not have any bonus associated with signing up and there was a waiting list. My son who wants to do seek a degree in Computer Science originally sought to try and do something in a related field either in the Air Force or the Army. He qualified easily for these positions based upon his ASVAB scores but there was essentially no availability. Essentially what happens is you give them a list of the MOSs that you want and the list can be a single MOS if you have no problem waiting forever for a slot. In my son's case he had the technical stuff as his top choice but again, the waiting period was likely to be 6 months to a year to fill a slot there. One of his lower tier choices that he listed was 19K or M1 Armor Crewman. The recruiter called and told him that they were offering a bonus of $20k for people who volunteer for 3 years active duty and 5 years reserves. In addition if he accepted that option he could leave for basic in as soon as 10 days.

Here is the thing, it was 100% up to my son. If he did not want to do it he did not have to do it. He decided that he would take the quick entry because it made more sense for him to go ahead and get through basic so that he could then have the Army pay for him to go to college for Comp Sci while he was serving as a tanker rather than sitting on a waiting list and hoping that a position in a comp sci type field became available.

The bottom line though as it pertains to your question is that yes, he had to volunteer to be in the combat unit. Now, everyone who has served or even worked with the military extensively knows that once you are in the military your ass goes where they tell you to go. So effectively, someone could volunteer for a non-combat position and then be forced into duty in a combat roll because of the needs of the service. The thing is, if that happened on a regular basis people would learn about it and then they would stop volunteering for those positions. Therefor, they don't do that too often if ever from what I have seen and heard recently.

The Air Force recruiter and I had a long talk while my son was doing testing for them and he did tell me that they did still have a way for people to enlist without a specific MOS and then get their MOS assigned after basic based upon their testing and the needs of the service. He said that was one of the faster ways to get in but that you give up control of what your job will be. He told me that he had never personally done an enlistment of that type and that if my son chose that then he would have to get with his boss to find out how to do the paperwork on that type of enlistment.

Hopefully that helps explain how things are currently done to some extent. Or at least my on personal experience with the current system.
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They're being assigned to combat units? Infantry, artillery, armored divisions?

When did this happen?
There is no longer a draft. They don't run people through basic and then assign them to duty. People enlist in the military with a specific Mos as their goal and if that mos is not available they simply don't enlist.

The army has to pay pretty decent signing bonuses for the more dangerous combat positions.

So yes, men volunteer for combat mos and generally are not just assigned to them.
So you're trying to tell me that infantry .. artillery .. and armor are all strictly voluntary.

You're not telling me the truth. I don't believe you.
Once you are in the military you obviously have to go where ordered to go but I can give you several examples based on the time my son spent deciding which MOS and which branch he wanted to serve in.

A primary example given by the Air Force SSG who is the recruiter in our area for that service was an individual who wanted to be a nurse. Basically any medical field had an incredibly long wait period. He had one person who had been on the waiting list for the nursing field for 8 months. He said that this individual would probably be waiting at least another 4 months before there was any chance of an opening in that field and for people going into that field there were no bonuses. What the Air Force wanted and needed (and was willing to pay a bonus for anyone who completed their training and entered service) was Security Forces (MPs), aviation mechanics, aviation electricians, and Special Forces. If you could qualify for any of those jobs then you would get in right away. What they don't do is take the person who volunteered to be a nurse or dental assistant and the force them to be a PJ.

With the Army it was similar. The cushy non-combat type jobs did not have any bonus associated with signing up and there was a waiting list. My son who wants to do seek a degree in Computer Science originally sought to try and do something in a related field either in the Air Force or the Army. He qualified easily for these positions based upon his ASVAB scores but there was essentially no availability. Essentially what happens is you give them a list of the MOSs that you want and the list can be a single MOS if you have no problem waiting forever for a slot. In my son's case he had the technical stuff as his top choice but again, the waiting period was likely to be 6 months to a year to fill a slot there. One of his lower tier choices that he listed was 19K or M1 Armor Crewman. The recruiter called and told him that they were offering a bonus of $20k for people who volunteer for 3 years active duty and 5 years reserves. In addition if he accepted that option he could leave for basic in as soon as 10 days.

Here is the thing, it was 100% up to my son. If he did not want to do it he did not have to do it. He decided that he would take the quick entry because it made more sense for him to go ahead and get through basic so that he could then have the Army pay for him to go to college for Comp Sci while he was serving as a tanker rather than sitting on a waiting list and hoping that a position in a comp sci type field became available.

The bottom line though as it pertains to your question is that yes, he had to volunteer to be in the combat unit. Now, everyone who has served or even worked with the military extensively knows that once you are in the military your ass goes where they tell you to go. So effectively, someone could volunteer for a non-combat position and then be forced into duty in a combat roll because of the needs of the service. The thing is, if that happened on a regular basis people would learn about it and then they would stop volunteering for those positions. Therefor, they don't do that too often if ever from what I have seen and heard recently.

The Air Force recruiter and I had a long talk while my son was doing testing for them and he did tell me that they did still have a way for people to enlist without a specific MOS and then get their MOS assigned after basic based upon their testing and the needs of the service. He said that was one of the faster ways to get in but that you give up control of what your job will be. He told me that he had never personally done an enlistment of that type and that if my son chose that then he would have to get with his boss to find out how to do the paperwork on that type of enlistment.

Hopefully that helps explain how things are currently done to some extent. Or at least my on personal experience with the current system.
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There is no longer a draft. They don't run people through basic and then assign them to duty. People enlist in the military with a specific Mos as their goal and if that mos is not available they simply don't enlist.

The army has to pay pretty decent signing bonuses for the more dangerous combat positions.

So yes, men volunteer for combat mos and generally are not just assigned to them.
So you're trying to tell me that infantry .. artillery .. and armor are all strictly voluntary.

You're not telling me the truth. I don't believe you.
Once you are in the military you obviously have to go where ordered to go but I can give you several examples based on the time my son spent deciding which MOS and which branch he wanted to serve in.

A primary example given by the Air Force SSG who is the recruiter in our area for that service was an individual who wanted to be a nurse. Basically any medical field had an incredibly long wait period. He had one person who had been on the waiting list for the nursing field for 8 months. He said that this individual would probably be waiting at least another 4 months before there was any chance of an opening in that field and for people going into that field there were no bonuses. What the Air Force wanted and needed (and was willing to pay a bonus for anyone who completed their training and entered service) was Security Forces (MPs), aviation mechanics, aviation electricians, and Special Forces. If you could qualify for any of those jobs then you would get in right away. What they don't do is take the person who volunteered to be a nurse or dental assistant and the force them to be a PJ.

With the Army it was similar. The cushy non-combat type jobs did not have any bonus associated with signing up and there was a waiting list. My son who wants to do seek a degree in Computer Science originally sought to try and do something in a related field either in the Air Force or the Army. He qualified easily for these positions based upon his ASVAB scores but there was essentially no availability. Essentially what happens is you give them a list of the MOSs that you want and the list can be a single MOS if you have no problem waiting forever for a slot. In my son's case he had the technical stuff as his top choice but again, the waiting period was likely to be 6 months to a year to fill a slot there. One of his lower tier choices that he listed was 19K or M1 Armor Crewman. The recruiter called and told him that they were offering a bonus of $20k for people who volunteer for 3 years active duty and 5 years reserves. In addition if he accepted that option he could leave for basic in as soon as 10 days.

Here is the thing, it was 100% up to my son. If he did not want to do it he did not have to do it. He decided that he would take the quick entry because it made more sense for him to go ahead and get through basic so that he could then have the Army pay for him to go to college for Comp Sci while he was serving as a tanker rather than sitting on a waiting list and hoping that a position in a comp sci type field became available.

The bottom line though as it pertains to your question is that yes, he had to volunteer to be in the combat unit. Now, everyone who has served or even worked with the military extensively knows that once you are in the military your ass goes where they tell you to go. So effectively, someone could volunteer for a non-combat position and then be forced into duty in a combat roll because of the needs of the service. The thing is, if that happened on a regular basis people would learn about it and then they would stop volunteering for those positions. Therefor, they don't do that too often if ever from what I have seen and heard recently.

The Air Force recruiter and I had a long talk while my son was doing testing for them and he did tell me that they did still have a way for people to enlist without a specific MOS and then get their MOS assigned after basic based upon their testing and the needs of the service. He said that was one of the faster ways to get in but that you give up control of what your job will be. He told me that he had never personally done an enlistment of that type and that if my son chose that then he would have to get with his boss to find out how to do the paperwork on that type of enlistment.

Hopefully that helps explain how things are currently done to some extent. Or at least my on personal experience with the current system.
You need to get on those lists in HS.
According to the Air Force fellow you had to be eligible to go in order to get on the list for the high demand positions because occasionally someone drops out at the last minute and he has the opportunity to go down the list of his people that are seeking that position and ask them if they are available to go immediately. Since people in high school have not graduated and many are not 18 then they are not available to go right away. In my son's case he did not turn 18 until many months after graduation.

It is possible that there are ways around the paperwork because I know that you could give them a date in the future for when you were available but my understanding was that you did not actively start moving up the waiting list until you were available to join up.
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So you're trying to tell me that infantry .. artillery .. and armor are all strictly voluntary.

You're not telling me the truth. I don't believe you.
Once you are in the military you obviously have to go where ordered to go but I can give you several examples based on the time my son spent deciding which MOS and which branch he wanted to serve in.

A primary example given by the Air Force SSG who is the recruiter in our area for that service was an individual who wanted to be a nurse. Basically any medical field had an incredibly long wait period. He had one person who had been on the waiting list for the nursing field for 8 months. He said that this individual would probably be waiting at least another 4 months before there was any chance of an opening in that field and for people going into that field there were no bonuses. What the Air Force wanted and needed (and was willing to pay a bonus for anyone who completed their training and entered service) was Security Forces (MPs), aviation mechanics, aviation electricians, and Special Forces. If you could qualify for any of those jobs then you would get in right away. What they don't do is take the person who volunteered to be a nurse or dental assistant and the force them to be a PJ.

With the Army it was similar. The cushy non-combat type jobs did not have any bonus associated with signing up and there was a waiting list. My son who wants to do seek a degree in Computer Science originally sought to try and do something in a related field either in the Air Force or the Army. He qualified easily for these positions based upon his ASVAB scores but there was essentially no availability. Essentially what happens is you give them a list of the MOSs that you want and the list can be a single MOS if you have no problem waiting forever for a slot. In my son's case he had the technical stuff as his top choice but again, the waiting period was likely to be 6 months to a year to fill a slot there. One of his lower tier choices that he listed was 19K or M1 Armor Crewman. The recruiter called and told him that they were offering a bonus of $20k for people who volunteer for 3 years active duty and 5 years reserves. In addition if he accepted that option he could leave for basic in as soon as 10 days.

Here is the thing, it was 100% up to my son. If he did not want to do it he did not have to do it. He decided that he would take the quick entry because it made more sense for him to go ahead and get through basic so that he could then have the Army pay for him to go to college for Comp Sci while he was serving as a tanker rather than sitting on a waiting list and hoping that a position in a comp sci type field became available.

The bottom line though as it pertains to your question is that yes, he had to volunteer to be in the combat unit. Now, everyone who has served or even worked with the military extensively knows that once you are in the military your ass goes where they tell you to go. So effectively, someone could volunteer for a non-combat position and then be forced into duty in a combat roll because of the needs of the service. The thing is, if that happened on a regular basis people would learn about it and then they would stop volunteering for those positions. Therefor, they don't do that too often if ever from what I have seen and heard recently.

The Air Force recruiter and I had a long talk while my son was doing testing for them and he did tell me that they did still have a way for people to enlist without a specific MOS and then get their MOS assigned after basic based upon their testing and the needs of the service. He said that was one of the faster ways to get in but that you give up control of what your job will be. He told me that he had never personally done an enlistment of that type and that if my son chose that then he would have to get with his boss to find out how to do the paperwork on that type of enlistment.

Hopefully that helps explain how things are currently done to some extent. Or at least my on personal experience with the current system.
You need to get on those lists in HS.
According to the Air Force fellow you had to be eligible to go in order to get on the list for the high demand positions because occasionally someone drops out at the last minute and he has the opportunity to go down the list of his people that are seeking that position and ask them if they are available to go immediately. Since people in high school have not graduated and many are not 18 then they are not available to go right away. In my son's case he did not turn 18 until many months after graduation.

It is possible that there are ways around the paperwork because I know that you could give them a date in the future for when you were available but my understanding was that you did not actively start moving up the waiting list until you were available to join up.
No, however, you can sign up as a seventeen year old far in advance that your position is locked. I knew people shipping off just days after HS graduation based on contracts signed 1 year prior.
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