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The US Military is Committing Suicide; A woman will train with other potential officers this summer in hopes of becoming the first female Navy SEAL.
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Topic Started: Jul 24 2017, 02:40 PM (967 Views)
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Demagogue
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Aug 1 2017, 10:45 AM
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Quoting limited to 5 levels deep Was It Fixed? Army General Told Subordinates: 'A Woman Will Graduate Ranger School,' Sources SayLINK
Once you are in the military you obviously have to go where ordered to go but I can give you several examples based on the time my son spent deciding which MOS and which branch he wanted to serve in. A primary example given by the Air Force SSG who is the recruiter in our area for that service was an individual who wanted to be a nurse. Basically any medical field had an incredibly long wait period. He had one person who had been on the waiting list for the nursing field for 8 months. He said that this individual would probably be waiting at least another 4 months before there was any chance of an opening in that field and for people going into that field there were no bonuses. What the Air Force wanted and needed (and was willing to pay a bonus for anyone who completed their training and entered service) was Security Forces (MPs), aviation mechanics, aviation electricians, and Special Forces. If you could qualify for any of those jobs then you would get in right away. What they don't do is take the person who volunteered to be a nurse or dental assistant and the force them to be a PJ. With the Army it was similar. The cushy non-combat type jobs did not have any bonus associated with signing up and there was a waiting list. My son who wants to do seek a degree in Computer Science originally sought to try and do something in a related field either in the Air Force or the Army. He qualified easily for these positions based upon his ASVAB scores but there was essentially no availability. Essentially what happens is you give them a list of the MOSs that you want and the list can be a single MOS if you have no problem waiting forever for a slot. In my son's case he had the technical stuff as his top choice but again, the waiting period was likely to be 6 months to a year to fill a slot there. One of his lower tier choices that he listed was 19K or M1 Armor Crewman. The recruiter called and told him that they were offering a bonus of $20k for people who volunteer for 3 years active duty and 5 years reserves. In addition if he accepted that option he could leave for basic in as soon as 10 days. Here is the thing, it was 100% up to my son. If he did not want to do it he did not have to do it. He decided that he would take the quick entry because it made more sense for him to go ahead and get through basic so that he could then have the Army pay for him to go to college for Comp Sci while he was serving as a tanker rather than sitting on a waiting list and hoping that a position in a comp sci type field became available. The bottom line though as it pertains to your question is that yes, he had to volunteer to be in the combat unit. Now, everyone who has served or even worked with the military extensively knows that once you are in the military your ass goes where they tell you to go. So effectively, someone could volunteer for a non-combat position and then be forced into duty in a combat roll because of the needs of the service. The thing is, if that happened on a regular basis people would learn about it and then they would stop volunteering for those positions. Therefor, they don't do that too often if ever from what I have seen and heard recently. The Air Force recruiter and I had a long talk while my son was doing testing for them and he did tell me that they did still have a way for people to enlist without a specific MOS and then get their MOS assigned after basic based upon their testing and the needs of the service. He said that was one of the faster ways to get in but that you give up control of what your job will be. He told me that he had never personally done an enlistment of that type and that if my son chose that then he would have to get with his boss to find out how to do the paperwork on that type of enlistment. Hopefully that helps explain how things are currently done to some extent. Or at least my on personal experience with the current system.
You need to get on those lists in HS.
According to the Air Force fellow you had to be eligible to go in order to get on the list for the high demand positions because occasionally someone drops out at the last minute and he has the opportunity to go down the list of his people that are seeking that position and ask them if they are available to go immediately. Since people in high school have not graduated and many are not 18 then they are not available to go right away. In my son's case he did not turn 18 until many months after graduation. It is possible that there are ways around the paperwork because I know that you could give them a date in the future for when you were available but my understanding was that you did not actively start moving up the waiting list until you were available to join up.
No, however, you can sign up as a seventeen year old far in advance that your position is locked. I knew people shipping off just days after HS graduation based on contracts signed 1 year prior. Some of my son's friends did that also but they were already 18 and were going into positions like infantry where there was no waiting list.
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People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to visit violence on those who would do them harm.
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Aug 1 2017, 04:49 PM
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Quoting limited to 5 levels deep Was It Fixed? Army General Told Subordinates: 'A Woman Will Graduate Ranger School,' Sources SayLINK
You need to get on those lists in HS.
According to the Air Force fellow you had to be eligible to go in order to get on the list for the high demand positions because occasionally someone drops out at the last minute and he has the opportunity to go down the list of his people that are seeking that position and ask them if they are available to go immediately. Since people in high school have not graduated and many are not 18 then they are not available to go right away. In my son's case he did not turn 18 until many months after graduation. It is possible that there are ways around the paperwork because I know that you could give them a date in the future for when you were available but my understanding was that you did not actively start moving up the waiting list until you were available to join up.
No, however, you can sign up as a seventeen year old far in advance that your position is locked. I knew people shipping off just days after HS graduation based on contracts signed 1 year prior.
Some of my son's friends did that also but they were already 18 and were going into positions like infantry where there was no waiting list. This may be dated, but a 17 yo can sign up with his father's permission.
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Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary. #MAGA #wallsnotwars
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Aug 1 2017, 06:44 PM
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Quoting limited to 5 levels deep Was It Fixed? Army General Told Subordinates: 'A Woman Will Graduate Ranger School,' Sources SayLINK
According to the Air Force fellow you had to be eligible to go in order to get on the list for the high demand positions because occasionally someone drops out at the last minute and he has the opportunity to go down the list of his people that are seeking that position and ask them if they are available to go immediately. Since people in high school have not graduated and many are not 18 then they are not available to go right away. In my son's case he did not turn 18 until many months after graduation. It is possible that there are ways around the paperwork because I know that you could give them a date in the future for when you were available but my understanding was that you did not actively start moving up the waiting list until you were available to join up.
No, however, you can sign up as a seventeen year old far in advance that your position is locked. I knew people shipping off just days after HS graduation based on contracts signed 1 year prior.
Some of my son's friends did that also but they were already 18 and were going into positions like infantry where there was no waiting list.
This may be dated, but a 17 yo can sign up with his father's permission. You are correct on that. From what I understood though you would not move up the waiting list until you were 18. I may have misunderstood that though so without going and talking to one of the recruiters I can not positively confirm it either way.
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People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to visit violence on those who would do them harm.
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Aug 1 2017, 07:39 PM
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Quoting limited to 5 levels deep Was It Fixed? Army General Told Subordinates: 'A Woman Will Graduate Ranger School,' Sources SayLINK
No, however, you can sign up as a seventeen year old far in advance that your position is locked. I knew people shipping off just days after HS graduation based on contracts signed 1 year prior.
Some of my son's friends did that also but they were already 18 and were going into positions like infantry where there was no waiting list.
This may be dated, but a 17 yo can sign up with his father's permission.
You are correct on that. From what I understood though you would not move up the waiting list until you were 18. I may have misunderstood that though so without going and talking to one of the recruiters I can not positively confirm it either way. You would keep your position on the wait list, you can just reserve your spot in the queue younger
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Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary. #MAGA #wallsnotwars
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Aug 1 2017, 07:39 PM
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IE, if it's an 18 month wait, you can wait 12 of those months as a 17 year old.
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Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary. #MAGA #wallsnotwars
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Aug 8 2017, 05:00 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1jCOkyuzCshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDRLVfH4vIs
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"Be polite, be friendly. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet." Gen Mattis
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Aug 8 2017, 07:48 PM
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Just how often do you think an infantryman has used his bayonet?
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Aug 8 2017, 11:22 PM
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Are you saying Bayonet training is worthless in the military? That there is no such thing as "hand to hand" combat?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZFmRaeMAYU
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"Be polite, be friendly. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet." Gen Mattis
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Aug 9 2017, 05:30 AM
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The Marines developed a form of combat martial arts for CQB but it's highly unlikely that using a bayonet (actually the new K-Bar also acts as the bayonet for the M4/M16 series of battle rifles), but yes, for all intents you're not going to get up and personal.
Your average firefight is 75 meters in Iraq. Odds are you're never going to get close enough to your enemy nowadays in order to use CQB tactics.
Worthless no..antiquated in today's battlefield...possibly. That female Marine squaring off against the male...why would any Marine put themselves in that position. Only if the need were dire and you were out of ammunition, and even then I would have instructed the female Marine never to go toe to toe with someone bigger and obviously more more muscle mass.
The odds are more even if you put that female Marine up against a male Marine of similar size and weight. In the 17 second video clip I just watched the male Marine had a good head and a half taller with 50lbs more weight. Yeah, I'm pretty sure if you put a male marine of same size as that Women Marine, he'd get his ass stomped too by that opponent in the video.
Edited by Tsalagi, Aug 9 2017, 05:32 AM.
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