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'Dunkirk' critics mocked for slamming the movie's cast
Topic Started: Aug 1 2017, 06:38 PM (971 Views)
ringotuna
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Here's the screed.

http://www.marieclaire.com/celebrity/news/a28515/dunkirk-movie-review/
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Title of said screed:

I Think 'Dunkirk' Was Mediocre at Best, and It's Not Because I'm Some Naive Woman Who Doesn't Get It

Yes, I'm afraid it is because of exactly that.
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ringotuna
Aug 2 2017, 04:33 AM
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Aug 1 2017, 07:52 PM
I suppose the complaint is as valid as complaining that in the movie Wonder Women there weren't enough men represented on the Amazonian island...
Not sure who you're swiping at but let me point out an obvious distinction between Dunkirk and Wonder Woman.

One is a historical accounting of actual events which I believe most people would agree should not be rewritten to satisfy 21st century political correctness.

The other is a fantasy where producers have far more latitude to pander to public sensitivities.





The Amazons of mythology were a group of fierce female warriors who did not accept men as part of their society. The Amazonian Island in the movie Wonder Women had no men on it, in following with the mythology.

My point is that from a historic perspective, the Amazonian myth of a society of women who rejected men and WWII when men represented 98% of the in uniform military with only a very small representation of women in support assignments, are both portrayed reasonably accurately in the movies, granting some measure of artistic license. And neither of which can validly be complained about as not fairly "representing" the genders.

Like how a movie about the 1962 world series couldn't validly be accused of not fairly representing women because no women are portrayed as playing on the either team.
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Aug 2 2017, 07:28 AM
Title of said screed:

I Think 'Dunkirk' Was Mediocre at Best, and It's Not Because I'm Some Naive Woman Who Doesn't Get It

Yes, I'm afraid it is because of exactly that.
Yes it is...

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Not a single transgender... ! :angry:
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Aug 2 2017, 06:24 AM
Perhaps we go to the trouble of having women in the military to provide a love interest in future war movies............ :dunno:
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ringotuna
Aug 2 2017, 04:33 AM
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Aug 1 2017, 07:52 PM
I suppose the complaint is as valid as complaining that in the movie Wonder Women there weren't enough men represented on the Amazonian island...
Not sure who you're swiping at but let me point out an obvious distinction between Dunkirk and Wonder Woman.

One is a historical accounting of actual events which I believe most people would agree should not be rewritten to satisfy 21st century political correctness.

The other is a fantasy where producers have far more latitude to pander to public sensitivities.





A historical accounting of actual events would be a documentary.

"Dunkirk" is not a documentary.
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ringotuna
Aug 2 2017, 04:33 AM
Opinionated
Aug 1 2017, 07:52 PM
I suppose the complaint is as valid as complaining that in the movie Wonder Women there weren't enough men represented on the Amazonian island...
Not sure who you're swiping at but let me point out an obvious distinction between Dunkirk and Wonder Woman.

One is a historical accounting of actual events which I believe most people would agree should not be rewritten to satisfy 21st century political correctness.

The other is a fantasy where producers have far more latitude to pander to public sensitivities.





I'm pretty sure that Dunkirk is a historically factual event. :biggrin:

(You know if you are going to hold the door open for me ) - :cheers:




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Coast2coast
Aug 2 2017, 07:31 PM
ringotuna
Aug 2 2017, 04:33 AM
Opinionated
Aug 1 2017, 07:52 PM
I suppose the complaint is as valid as complaining that in the movie Wonder Women there weren't enough men represented on the Amazonian island...
Not sure who you're swiping at but let me point out an obvious distinction between Dunkirk and Wonder Woman.

One is a historical accounting of actual events which I believe most people would agree should not be rewritten to satisfy 21st century political correctness.

The other is a fantasy where producers have far more latitude to pander to public sensitivities.





I'm pretty sure that Dunkirk is a historically factual event. :biggrin:

(You know if you are going to hold the door open for me ) - :cheers:




^^^Fake News.....
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Aug 2 2017, 05:27 PM
ringotuna
Aug 2 2017, 04:33 AM
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Aug 1 2017, 07:52 PM
I suppose the complaint is as valid as complaining that in the movie Wonder Women there weren't enough men represented on the Amazonian island...
Not sure who you're swiping at but let me point out an obvious distinction between Dunkirk and Wonder Woman.

One is a historical accounting of actual events which I believe most people would agree should not be rewritten to satisfy 21st century political correctness.

The other is a fantasy where producers have far more latitude to pander to public sensitivities.





A historical accounting of actual events would be a documentary.

"Dunkirk" is not a documentary.
No, Dunkirk the movie is not a documentary. It is rather a movie about historical events which takes some artistic license in order to portray those events as entertainment.

But the reality is that there were very few if any women on the beach of Dunkirk, those that were there would have been evacuated along with the wounded, and the vast majority of those killed and those risking their lives to save those stranded, were men.

That's just a historic fact. Not intended to diminish nor demean those contributions women did make in the overall war effort. And if there were historic events that supported women being in pivotal, leading roles in the Dunkirk evacuation/retreat, then by all means they should be included in the movie. Otherwise, the movie should hew fairly closely to reality and not inject women into events where they weren't.
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Historical Fiction - Based on historical fact. We know the event and even by some present greater details (remembered however decades after the event) but we cannot know every piece of dialogue that took place that we present on the screen.

Therefore, historical fiction.





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Aug 2 2017, 09:41 PM
Historical Fiction - Based on historical fact. We know the event and even by some present greater details (remembered however decades after the event) but we cannot know every piece of dialogue that took place that we present on the screen.

Therefore, historical fiction.





"Historical Fiction" :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Do you realize how stupid that sounds :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
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Aug 2 2017, 09:41 PM
Historical Fiction - Based on historical fact. We know the event and even by some present greater details (remembered however decades after the event) but we cannot know every piece of dialogue that took place that we present on the screen.

Therefore, historical fiction.





"Historical Fiction" :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Do you realize how stupid that sounds :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
No more stupid than the concept flying over YOUR head. :biggrin:

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Aug 3 2017, 04:49 AM
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Aug 3 2017, 12:59 AM
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Aug 2 2017, 09:41 PM
Historical Fiction - Based on historical fact. We know the event and even by some present greater details (remembered however decades after the event) but we cannot know every piece of dialogue that took place that we present on the screen.

Therefore, historical fiction.





"Historical Fiction" :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Do you realize how stupid that sounds :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
No more stupid than the concept flying over YOUR head. :biggrin:

The fiction part is that the British won the battle................ :lol:
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Aug 2 2017, 05:27 PM
ringotuna
Aug 2 2017, 04:33 AM
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Aug 1 2017, 07:52 PM
I suppose the complaint is as valid as complaining that in the movie Wonder Women there weren't enough men represented on the Amazonian island...
Not sure who you're swiping at but let me point out an obvious distinction between Dunkirk and Wonder Woman.

One is a historical accounting of actual events which I believe most people would agree should not be rewritten to satisfy 21st century political correctness.

The other is a fantasy where producers have far more latitude to pander to public sensitivities.





A historical accounting of actual events would be a documentary.

"Dunkirk" is not a documentary.
Not necessarily true. History can be portrayed in fictional works as well.

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Aug 2 2017, 08:41 AM
ringotuna
Aug 2 2017, 04:33 AM
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Aug 1 2017, 07:52 PM
I suppose the complaint is as valid as complaining that in the movie Wonder Women there weren't enough men represented on the Amazonian island...
Not sure who you're swiping at but let me point out an obvious distinction between Dunkirk and Wonder Woman.

One is a historical accounting of actual events which I believe most people would agree should not be rewritten to satisfy 21st century political correctness.

The other is a fantasy where producers have far more latitude to pander to public sensitivities.





The Amazons of mythology were a group of fierce female warriors who did not accept men as part of their society. The Amazonian Island in the movie Wonder Women had no men on it, in following with the mythology.

My point is that from a historic perspective, the Amazonian myth of a society of women who rejected men and WWII when men represented 98% of the in uniform military with only a very small representation of women in support assignments, are both portrayed reasonably accurately in the movies, granting some measure of artistic license. And neither of which can validly be complained about as not fairly "representing" the genders.

Like how a movie about the 1962 world series couldn't validly be accused of not fairly representing women because no women are portrayed as playing on the either team.
One has much more creative license in a mythological based movie than in a historically based film. That is assuming the directors wish to hold true to the actual events.
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Aug 2 2017, 09:41 PM
Historical Fiction - Based on historical fact. We know the event and even by some present greater details (remembered however decades after the event) but we cannot know every piece of dialogue that took place that we present on the screen.

Therefore, historical fiction.





"Historical Fiction" :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Do you realize how stupid that sounds :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Oh, please - take me on in this category. Please, do it. :pray:



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Oh Sh!t!!!

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ringotuna
Aug 3 2017, 07:30 AM
Oh Sh!t!!!

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ringotuna
Aug 3 2017, 06:17 AM
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Aug 2 2017, 05:27 PM
ringotuna
Aug 2 2017, 04:33 AM
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Aug 1 2017, 07:52 PM
I suppose the complaint is as valid as complaining that in the movie Wonder Women there weren't enough men represented on the Amazonian island...
Not sure who you're swiping at but let me point out an obvious distinction between Dunkirk and Wonder Woman.

One is a historical accounting of actual events which I believe most people would agree should not be rewritten to satisfy 21st century political correctness.

The other is a fantasy where producers have far more latitude to pander to public sensitivities.





A historical accounting of actual events would be a documentary.

"Dunkirk" is not a documentary.
Not necessarily true. History can be portrayed in fictional works as well.

True but that doesnt make the portrayal a documentary.

Historical elements can be portrayed like in the classic documentaries "the davinci code" and "national treasure" :cheers:


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