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| Trump to Address Nation on ‘Path Forward’ in Afghanistan on Monday Night; Great, Donny John is going to dig us in deeper. | |
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| Mr. Tik | Aug 23 2017, 01:36 AM Post #41 |
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You may be a conservative republican..if you are pro life until you get your mistress knocked up | |
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| The Inquisitor | Aug 23 2017, 02:54 AM Post #42 |
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You mem is spot on......Afghanistan is a sink hole......many armies have found that out in the past. But what do we do?......move out and let ISIS combine with the Taliban and get another land base? Trump didn't get us in there.......but like most Presidency's he left with the damn mess. |
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| Siberian | Aug 23 2017, 03:05 AM Post #43 |
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As a Russian agent Trump did not choose just to blame Russia, as usual, for US failure in Afghanistan and leave but instead decided to keep this wound open ![]() I 'm really starting to believe he's our man.... ![]() ‘Recipe for disaster’: Ron Paul to RT about Trump’s Afghanistan policy turn https://www.rt.com/usa/400571-ron-paul-trump-afghanistan-disaster/ Edited by Siberian, Aug 23 2017, 03:10 AM.
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| Goood morning GULAG!!! | |
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| Robert Stout | Aug 23 2017, 06:01 AM Post #44 |
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No....Trump sold his soul to the Pentagon to insure he won't be removed from office................
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| Jesus can raise the dead, but he can't fix stupid | |
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| Che On The Rocks | Aug 24 2017, 05:43 AM Post #45 |
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Top U.S. general in Afghanistan says Trump's plan means long-term U.S. commitment
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| Opinionated | Aug 24 2017, 01:53 PM Post #46 |
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The Taliban have no incentive to sue for peace. They know that the U.S. will not stay in Afghanistan forever. If Trump doesn't pull us out, the next President probably will. All they have to do is keep on doing what they're doing and eventually they win by default. |
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| BuckFan | Aug 24 2017, 03:04 PM Post #47 |
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When did he do that? I watched his public speeches over the past couple days and none came close to your summary. As to Obama, what has Trump proposed that is any different than what Obama did at the start of his administration? |
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| Tsalagi | Aug 24 2017, 03:25 PM Post #48 |
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No, just no....it's a meat grinder...16 years, longer then Vietnam by 6 years, just what the hell different can the military do under Trump that they couldn't do under Obama or Bush who sent them there originally? The Greeks, the British, and the Russians learned to their detriment of staying in Afghanistan. No one has been able to control the tribes of the Hindu Kush mountains. Let them kill each other off. |
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| Opinionated | Aug 24 2017, 03:55 PM Post #49 |
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I think the goal now is essentially to play spoiler. We can't "win" in Afghanistan, but we can keep the Taliban from "winning" for as long as we continue have troops in the country to stiffen the spine of the Afghan government troops. So the Taliban will lose a village and then next season they take it back, then they lose it, then they take it back. And the idea is that we keep doing this until such time as the Taliban decides they're tired of it all and sue for peace on some kind of terms of coexistence. The problem with this "strategy", such as it is, is that the Afghanistan government is so corrupt that it will almost undoubtedly collapse the minute we stop propping it up. Which means we effectively won't be able to leave, ever, unless we're willing to allow the Taliban to resurge. It's really not much of a plan, given that it will be a constant drain on the U.S. in blood and treasure with the only benefits being that we deny the ISIS, Al Qaida, and other middle eastern terrorist groups a safe harbor. The thing is, they don't really seem to need a safe harbor, so it's hard to see that the benefits are worth the costs. |
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| thoughtless | Aug 24 2017, 04:21 PM Post #50 |
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In addition to him being a paranoid lunatic? |
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| George Aligator | Aug 24 2017, 05:32 PM Post #51 |
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What is a Talib? Could be worth finding our because two or more of them are called Taliban. Americans are fed the idea that the Taliban are some sinister group of aliens whose bloody oppression of the Afghans is an outrage that our "freedom bringers" (as the Decider called them) are nobly pledged to destroy. How does the Taliban take over Afghan provinces the way a rising tide takes over a beach? Why could we not destroy them with 100,000 US troops. Could it be that the Taliban are native Afghans who have the allegiance of most of the clans that are the organization structure of their society? Remember "the lessons of Vietnam"? Has the US blundered into another complex, divided nation, attacking a native insurgency with huge popular support? Why do we end up playing the Redcoats of the modern world? Have we forgotten our history except for the statue of Robert E. Lee? |
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| Siberian | Aug 24 2017, 06:23 PM Post #52 |
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The basic flaw of the US and maybe "US-style democracy" in general is that the US has always, always been sacrificing long term national interests for sake of winning next elections. Thus, creating Al-Qaida to fight Soviets to later get 9/11, to create ISIS to fight Assad to later face terrorist attacks all over the West and finally to start fighting it. Or Russiagate, which was invented by Democrats eith the only purpose - to topple Trump, and which for sure will have a long and significant negative impact on US interests and affairs abroad, as in all other such cases. You Americans cannot think more than 1 step ahead. Taliban, as everybody knows, were predominantly Pushtu islamist youth groomed, trained and armed by Pakistani intelligence with support and supervision of CIA. And their fast advance after Soviets left was only partially due to milirary victories, their fame was walking in front of them, after taking next village or a city they were immediately executing the most corrupt local beaurocrats and officials, were banning opium and generally providing order and strict islamic norms to which peasants were sympathetic. Plus, they had money (CIA?) and bought quite a number of local military tribal leaders. I am sure common Afghanis are dreaming of such a rule. Especially after opium production multiplied under American occupation, Karzay and co became symbols of corruption and of course indiscriminate US bombings. Of course it may be a sort of self-deception which everybody likes to hear, but in Russian press from time to time some interviews appear of Afghanis who say, that you, Soviets, were not just fighting but also building schools and roads and you were fighting like men, face to face, while Americans just hide in their bases and bomb and don't build anything.... Talibans have nostalgy to Russians... Again, I am not sure these sentiments are wide spread or real but I read such interviews from time to time.Generally speaking of course Taliban will retake Afghanistan, 200%, it's just a matter of time. And on their conditions. But no American president wants to write down defeat to his record, as well your arms producers make good money... It's like the Fed - both the Fed and a current US president prefer to postpone the fiasco even if delay just makes it worse. Edited by Siberian, Aug 24 2017, 06:27 PM.
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| Goood morning GULAG!!! | |
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| Siberian | Aug 24 2017, 06:34 PM Post #53 |
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p.s. in Arabic a student - tAlib, 2 students - talibAn, many students - tullAb. students of CIA-Pakistan training camps... ![]() Arabic has a form for 2 of everything. What is the English term? But in Pushtu it seems to me Taliban is just plural, "students". Though, I don't speak Pushtu. Edited by Siberian, Aug 24 2017, 06:37 PM.
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| Goood morning GULAG!!! | |
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| CautionaryTales | Aug 24 2017, 06:58 PM Post #54 |
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You say that like they could fight invading forces for centuries....well...uhhhh... Never mind... |
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| Che On The Rocks | Aug 26 2017, 05:22 AM Post #55 |
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The Mini-Skirt Deception: How McMaster Got His Afghan ‘Surge’
![]() WATCH: Brave Congressman Explains How US Keeps Afghan Heroin Trade Alive at Your Expense
![]() MARJAH, Helmand province, Islamic Republic of Afghanistan – Corporal Mark Hickok, a 23-year-old combat engineer from North Olmstead, Ohio, patrols through a field during a clearing mission April 9. Marines with Company B, 1st Tank Battalion, learned basic route clearance techniques from engineers like Hickok, who are deployed with 1st Combat Engineer Battalion. (U.S. Marine Corps photo by Cpl. John M. McCall) |
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| Che On The Rocks | Aug 31 2017, 06:01 AM Post #56 |
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Pentagon raises Afghanistan troop estimate to 11,000
![]() President Trump has committed to stepping up US engagement in Afghanistan. U.S. acknowledges more troops in Afghanistan than previously stated
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| Che On The Rocks | Sep 1 2017, 03:08 AM Post #57 |
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Mattis signs orders to send additional troops to Afghanistan
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