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Trump to Address Nation on ‘Path Forward’ in Afghanistan on Monday Night; Great, Donny John is going to dig us in deeper.
Topic Started: Aug 20 2017, 11:02 PM (718 Views)
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Aug 23 2017, 01:36 AM
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You mem is spot on......Afghanistan is a sink hole......many armies have found that out in the past.
But what do we do?......move out and let ISIS combine with the Taliban and get another land base?
Trump didn't get us in there.......but like most Presidency's he left with the damn mess.
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As a Russian agent Trump did not choose just to blame Russia, as usual, for US failure in Afghanistan and leave but instead decided to keep this wound open :)
I 'm really starting to believe he's our man.... :lol:




‘Recipe for disaster’: Ron Paul to RT about Trump’s Afghanistan policy turn

https://www.rt.com/usa/400571-ron-paul-trump-afghanistan-disaster/
Edited by Siberian, Aug 23 2017, 03:10 AM.
Goood morning GULAG!!!
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No....Trump sold his soul to the Pentagon to insure he won't be removed from office................ :shakeshead:
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Top U.S. general in Afghanistan says Trump's plan means long-term U.S. commitment
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KABUL (Reuters) - The top U.S. military commander in Afghanistan said on Thursday President Donald Trump's new strategy is a sign of a long-term commitment to what is already America's longest war and called on Taliban insurgents to agree to peace talks.

"The Taliban cannot win on the battlefield, it's time for them to join the peace process," General John Nicholson told reporters in the Afghan capital, Kabul. "We will not fail in Afghanistan, our national security depends on that as well."

Critics, including Trump himself during the 2016 campaign for the U.S. presidency, have argued that Afghanistan is no closer to peace despite billions of dollars spent on aid and nearly 16 years of U.S. and allied military operations.
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The Taliban have no incentive to sue for peace. They know that the U.S. will not stay in Afghanistan forever. If Trump doesn't pull us out, the next President probably will. All they have to do is keep on doing what they're doing and eventually they win by default.
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Aug 22 2017, 02:01 PM
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Aug 21 2017, 10:32 PM

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You mean his strategy that involves sending four thousand more troops to Afghanistan for an indefinite period which will somehow magically result in "victory" even though we once had over a hundred thousand troops in Afghanistan and still couldn't utterly defeat the Taliban?

Yeah, great strategy. :oyvey
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Yes, Obama was totally and completely wrong. And what is your point?
Last night, President Trump laid out a matter-of-fact, easy to understand strategy for dealing with this major “incubator” of Islamic Extremist Activity, while at the same time putting the surrounding countries of Pakistan and India on warning that we will not tolerate their support of Islamic Terrorist Activities which threaten the entire globe.

His predecessor, Barack Hussein Obama, believed in a “Chamberlain-esque” Foreign Policy of appeasement, consisting of vague warnings, pay-offs, and drawing red lines in the sand.

It didn’t work.

In stark and vivid contrast to “Petulant President Pantywaist”, President Donald J. Trump has unabashedly adopted President Ronald Reagan’s Foreign Policy of “Peace Through Strength”.

And, knowing that, I feel safer already.

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When did he do that? I watched his public speeches over the past couple days and none came close to your summary.

As to Obama, what has Trump proposed that is any different than what Obama did at the start of his administration?
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No, just no....it's a meat grinder...16 years, longer then Vietnam by 6 years, just what the hell different can the military do under Trump that they couldn't do under Obama or Bush who sent them there originally?

The Greeks, the British, and the Russians learned to their detriment of staying in Afghanistan.

No one has been able to control the tribes of the Hindu Kush mountains. Let them kill each other off.
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Aug 24 2017, 03:25 PM
No, just no....it's a meat grinder...16 years, longer then Vietnam by 6 years, just what the hell different can the military do under Trump that they couldn't do under Obama or Bush who sent them there originally?

The Greeks, the British, and the Russians learned to their detriment of staying in Afghanistan.

No one has been able to control the tribes of the Hindu Kush mountains. Let them kill each other off.
I think the goal now is essentially to play spoiler. We can't "win" in Afghanistan, but we can keep the Taliban from "winning" for as long as we continue have troops in the country to stiffen the spine of the Afghan government troops. So the Taliban will lose a village and then next season they take it back, then they lose it, then they take it back. And the idea is that we keep doing this until such time as the Taliban decides they're tired of it all and sue for peace on some kind of terms of coexistence.

The problem with this "strategy", such as it is, is that the Afghanistan government is so corrupt that it will almost undoubtedly collapse the minute we stop propping it up. Which means we effectively won't be able to leave, ever, unless we're willing to allow the Taliban to resurge.

It's really not much of a plan, given that it will be a constant drain on the U.S. in blood and treasure with the only benefits being that we deny the ISIS, Al Qaida, and other middle eastern terrorist groups a safe harbor. The thing is, they don't really seem to need a safe harbor, so it's hard to see that the benefits are worth the costs.
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Aug 21 2017, 11:04 PM
There was a reason why the elite wanted Banon gone.
In addition to him being a paranoid lunatic?
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What is a Talib? Could be worth finding our because two or more of them are called Taliban. Americans are fed the idea that the Taliban are some sinister group of aliens whose bloody oppression of the Afghans is an outrage that our "freedom bringers" (as the Decider called them) are nobly pledged to destroy.

How does the Taliban take over Afghan provinces the way a rising tide takes over a beach? Why could we not destroy them with 100,000 US troops. Could it be that the Taliban are native Afghans who have the allegiance of most of the clans that are the organization structure of their society?

Remember "the lessons of Vietnam"? Has the US blundered into another complex, divided nation, attacking a native insurgency with huge popular support? Why do we end up playing the Redcoats of the modern world? Have we forgotten our history except for the statue of Robert E. Lee?
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Aug 24 2017, 05:32 PM
What is a Talib? Could be worth finding our because two or more of them are called Taliban. Americans are fed the idea that the Taliban are some sinister group of aliens whose bloody oppression of the Afghans is an outrage that our "freedom bringers" (as the Decider called them) are nobly pledged to destroy.

How does the Taliban take over Afghan provinces the way a rising tide takes over a beach? Why could we not destroy them with 100,000 US troops. Could it be that the Taliban are native Afghans who have the allegiance of most of the clans that are the organization structure of their society?

Remember "the lessons of Vietnam"? Has the US blundered into another complex, divided nation, attacking a native insurgency with huge popular support? Why do we end up playing the Redcoats of the modern world? Have we forgotten our history except for the statue of Robert E. Lee?
The basic flaw of the US and maybe "US-style democracy" in general is that the US has always, always been sacrificing long term national interests for sake of winning next elections.
Thus, creating Al-Qaida to fight Soviets to later get 9/11, to create ISIS to fight Assad to later face terrorist attacks all over the West and finally to start fighting it. Or Russiagate, which was invented by Democrats eith the only purpose - to topple Trump, and which for sure will have a long and significant negative impact on US interests and affairs abroad, as in all other such cases. You Americans cannot think more than 1 step ahead.
Taliban, as everybody knows, were predominantly Pushtu islamist youth groomed, trained and armed by Pakistani intelligence with support and supervision of CIA.
And their fast advance after Soviets left was only partially due to milirary victories, their fame was walking in front of them, after taking next village or a city they were immediately executing the most corrupt local beaurocrats and officials, were banning opium and generally providing order and strict islamic norms to which peasants were sympathetic. Plus, they had money (CIA?) and bought quite a number of local military tribal leaders.
I am sure common Afghanis are dreaming of such a rule. Especially after opium production multiplied under American occupation, Karzay and co became symbols of corruption and of course indiscriminate US bombings.
Of course it may be a sort of self-deception which everybody likes to hear, but in Russian press from time to time some interviews appear of Afghanis who say, that you, Soviets, were not just fighting but also building schools and roads and you were fighting like men, face to face, while Americans just hide in their bases and bomb and don't build anything.... Talibans have nostalgy to Russians... :lol: Again, I am not sure these sentiments are wide spread or real but I read such interviews from time to time.
Generally speaking of course Taliban will retake Afghanistan, 200%, it's just a matter of time. And on their conditions.
But no American president wants to write down defeat to his record, as well your arms producers make good money...
It's like the Fed - both the Fed and a current US president prefer to postpone the fiasco even if delay just makes it worse.
Edited by Siberian, Aug 24 2017, 06:27 PM.
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p.s. in Arabic a student - tAlib, 2 students - talibAn, many students - tullAb.
students of CIA-Pakistan training camps... :)
Arabic has a form for 2 of everything. What is the English term?
But in Pushtu it seems to me Taliban is just plural, "students". Though, I don't speak Pushtu.
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Aug 24 2017, 01:53 PM
The Taliban have no incentive to sue for peace. They know that the U.S. will not stay in Afghanistan forever. If Trump doesn't pull us out, the next President probably will. All they have to do is keep on doing what they're doing and eventually they win by default.
You say that like they could fight invading forces for centuries....well...uhhhh...

Never mind...


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The Mini-Skirt Deception: How McMaster Got His Afghan ‘Surge’
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A photo of Soviet era Afghanistan won Trump over
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WATCH: Brave Congressman Explains How US Keeps Afghan Heroin Trade Alive at Your Expense
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Congressman Thomas Massie blows the lid off the US subsidized opium trade and taxpayer funds flowing into the hands of the Taliban in Afghanistan.
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MARJAH, Helmand province, Islamic Republic of Afghanistan – Corporal Mark Hickok, a 23-year-old combat engineer from North Olmstead, Ohio, patrols through a field during a clearing mission April 9. Marines with Company B, 1st Tank Battalion, learned basic route clearance techniques from engineers like Hickok, who are deployed with 1st Combat Engineer Battalion. (U.S. Marine Corps photo by Cpl. John M. McCall)
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Pentagon raises Afghanistan troop estimate to 11,000
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The Pentagon says there are about 11,000 US troops currently deployed in Afghanistan - a significantly higher number than was previously disclosed.
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President Trump has committed to stepping up US engagement in Afghanistan.

U.S. acknowledges more troops in Afghanistan than previously stated
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - About 11,000 U.S. troops are serving in Afghanistan, the Pentagon said on Wednesday, thousands more than it has previously stated.

The announcement by Pentagon officials at a news conference did not represent an increase in troops in Afghanistan and came after U.S. Defense Secretary Jim Mattis expressed frustration with the method of counting U.S. troops in conflict zones.

The Pentagon said previously that there were roughly 8,400 U.S. troops in Afghanistan, under a cap set during President Barack Obama’s administration.
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Mattis signs orders to send additional troops to Afghanistan
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Defense Secretary Jim Mattis said on Thursday he had signed orders to send additional troops to Afghanistan, the most concrete step yet by President Donald Trump’s administration in tackling America’s longest war.

Mattis did not specify the size of the force, which will help combat Taliban insurgents and other armed Islamists.
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About 11,000 U.S. troops are serving in Afghanistan, the Pentagon said on Wednesday, thousands more than it has previously stated.
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