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Mystery of Russian Fake on Facebook Solved, by a Brazilian
Topic Started: Sep 14 2017, 09:52 AM (541 Views)
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When Russia created Facebook profiles of fake Americans to influence the 2016 American election, it could make up the names and biographical details. But it needed photos, too.

Now a salesman in Brazil has stepped forward to say that his own family photos were stolen to concoct the profile of “Melvin Redick,” one of many American impostors involved in the spread of Russian propaganda on Facebook and Twitter.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/13/us/politics/russia-facebook-election.html?&hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=second-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
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George, will you be flattered if I say that you're a shameless manipulative troll, but not just a regular American zombie? I would be, by the way... :).. it's some sort of acknowledgment. Though, taking in account low level of the audience - it does not promote high standards of propaganda. In Russia it would not work...
I mean the key words in all Gebbels lie CNN, NYT, Business insider spread are " American officials believe was created by Russian .." , you an easilly find it in your article, the title of which directly lies that Russia did something.
It's another primitive lie all American propaganda is based on.
like, for example -
Several signs pointed to the page being a Russian influence operation, including a lack of contact information and ads, and a corresponding Twitter account created in November 2015 - right around the time Facebook experienced a surge in Russia-linked, fake accounts, Michel said.
http://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-group-russia-texas-anti-immigrant-rallies-2017-9

enjoy this piece too :), the next step will be declating all who voted for Trump - fake Russian agents :)

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Though, comrade, I'm deeply sorry if I didn't recognize a Russian brother in you. After all, we all are linked to a fake Russian forum of perspectives.com, where you can easilly find broken English and even a live openly self-declared Russian, so I would not trust anyone here, or maybe would even probe some members here, who, as Americans, are supposed regularly to be very intelligent, but instead behave like complete and ultimate zombies, obviously demonstrating Russian degrading influence... :)

since we know now how to verify if a forum is a fake Russian one, according to Business insider...

"Perhaps the most revealing clue that Heart of Texas was not a project spearheaded by dissatisfied Texans was the language. The memes posted in the group contained typos, grammatical errors, and a general unfamiliarity with basic English phrases."


Let me know if you risk being sent into GULAG for posting on the same forum with a Russian, I will shift to prasing America... :lol:
Edited by Siberian, Sep 14 2017, 10:53 AM.
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I hope my last sentence, (i.e. comprehension of the grave danger of posting here) will not kill this forum, who knows how much the souls of the citizens of the Land of free are seized by fear... :lol:
Big brother is watching you, don't forget it! :lol:

Jake, last time we met we have not discussed the issue of money. Please call me as soon as you can. Or just bark something, it will mean "yes".
Edited by Siberian, Sep 14 2017, 11:09 AM.
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My Siberian comrade defends his Motherland with the passionate patriotism which has been a badge of honor for his people for centuries. In the case of Russian manipulation of foreign political affairs, he denies what should be a point of pride. After all, an infowar is a lot more civilized and humane than a tank brigade. Pride in what Russia has quite obviously done would make more sense than injured pride in denying the obvious and being believed by no one. There is something disappointing in seeing a patriotic scholar with the high capabilities of Siberian scrambling with childish denial to paint his great Russian country in the prissy colors of the petit bourgeois. Putin has achieved one of the greatest public relations coups of all time and invented a new and vastly superior form of diplomacy. If you've got it, comrade, flaunt it!
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George, please accept my most sincere assurances that I don't care if you or anyone here change their opinion if it was Russia or not. I don't defend anyone, including Russia.
The only my purpose is to make you, Americans, see you a little from aside. Just because it's very funny. And humiliating for clever ones of you, to watch your compatriots and the country so brainless and zombified.. To see yourself not from within a zoo cage you are in, but fro .the outsude. I am an altruist and just want to share extremely positive emotions - an extraordinaty fun of observing this circus.
What is going on in the US is a complete madness, I could not ever imagine such things can really happen, it's like an excellent comedy.
You are absolutely right, I agree with you completely - if Russia could really do all what is attributed to us by pro-Clintonite propaganda - it would really be the reason for pride, the only problem it has not happened yet. I would have no problem in acknowledging whatever bad Russia did to the US, but sorry, I cannot consider a Facebook account Russian only because it lacks personal info (isn't it a surpruse in recent violent American environment + government suppression) , as well as some grammar mistakes and the fact that account was created in November :)
Sorry, I just cannot be that stupid, I am not an American to consider it enough to acknowledge an account Russian. And all other cases are the same low-level crap, just look at lie of a Russian politician "acknowledging" Russian involvement, which 2! members posted yesterday.
And I cannot deny myself the pleasure to laugh at all this... :)
Edited by Siberian, Sep 14 2017, 11:38 AM.
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Sep 14 2017, 11:31 AM
George, please accept my most sincere assurances that I don't care if you or anyone here change their opinion if it was Russia or not. I don't defend anyone, including Russia.
The only my purpose is to make you, Americans, see you a little from aside. Just because it's very funny. And humiliating for clever ones of you, to watch your compatriots and the country so brainless and zombified.. To see yourself not from within a zoo cage you are in, but fro .the outsude. I am an altruist and just want to share extremely positive emotions - an extraordinaty fun of observing this circus.
What is going on in the US is a complete madness, I could not ever imagine such things can really happen, it's like an excellent comedy.
You are absolutely right, I agree with you completely - if Russia could really do all what is attributed to us by pro-Clintonite propaganda - it would really be the reason for pride, the only problem it has not happened yet. I would have no problem in acknowledging whatever bad Russia did to the US, but sorry, I cannot consider a Facebook account Russian only because it lacks personal info (isn't it a surpruse in recent violent American environment + government suppression) , as well as some grammar mistakes and the fact that account was created in November :)
Sorry, I just cannot be that stupid, I am not an American to consider it enough to acknowledge an account Russian. And all other cases are the same low-level crap, just look at lie of a Russian politician "acknowledging" Russian involvement, which 2! members posted yesterday.
And I cannot deny myself the pleasure to laugh at all this... :)
Your skepticism is understandable. As more detailed information emerges about the Facebook and other such attacks, a more reliable judgement will be possible. The USA isn't the only country to be skillfully manipulated by Russia's disinformation program. Keep watching.
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I proposed to CT to bet, do you want to? :)
I've been listening to "wait a little, it will emerge" for more than a year already, still nothing except such miserable lie or, softening it, unverified allegations :) you and others repost :)
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:lol: It seems I found a goldmine here, which I'm going to develop...
Really, I feel the most powerful man in this forum now.
Almost like a Russian ambassador Kislyak, who could send anyone into resignation just touching him...
no, I'm even stronger, I hope to be effective from over the ocean, at distance of thousands of miles, though due to lack of experience I chose members of this forum first to have some practice, before shifting to more influential figures (who is CIA director now?) and finally Trump....

Let us see....
New York Times, I am calling you!!!!
I am a Russian and I openly influence American elections.
So, I confess that I recruited a CIA employee Jake and we communicate quite intensively here in a coded way, he is to act as if he a true hardcore American, i.e. in the most brainless and rude way, assaulting Russia, while it's nothing but our secret language. Every his assault means certain word. Yes or "mission accomplished" or some other. His show off agressiveness to Russia is nothing but a camouflage, while he's the most valuable agent being under my command.
We have a plot of falsifying results of the US elections via opening eyes of Americans on the direction they, as a herd are led by the US establishment. In an absolutely malicious manner I post truth fake news, exposing American shameless propaganda lie efforts to resist Russian influence. And generally make Anerucans question do they still live in a dream Land of free or in USSA already (and before too, by the way) :lol: ...
Communism will prevail!!!

p.s. (Take notice, "is" is missing before " hardcore American", a typical Russian mistake), if you need more just say..
Edited by Siberian, Sep 15 2017, 02:36 AM.
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Sep 15 2017, 02:28 AM
:lol: It seems I found a goldmine here, which I'm going to develop...
Really, I feel the most powerful man in this forum now.
Almost like a Russian ambassador Kislyak, who could send anyone into resignation just touching him...
no, I'm even stronger, I hope to be effective from over the ocean, at distance of thousands of miles, though due to lack of experience I chose members of this forum first to have some practice, before shifting to more influential figures (who is CIA director now?) and finally Trump....

Let us see....
New York Times, I am calling you!!!!
I am a Russian and I openly influence American elections.
So, I confess that I recruited a CIA employee Jake and we communicate quite intensively here in a coded way, he is to act as if he a true hardcore American, i.e. in the most brainless and rude way, assaulting Russia, while it's nothing but our secret language. Every his assault means certain word. Yes or "mission accomplished" or some other. His show off agressiveness to Russia is nothing but a camouflage, while he's the most valuable agent being under my command.
We have a plot of falsifying results of the US elections via opening eyes of Americans on the direction they, as a herd are led by the US establishment. In an absolutely malicious manner I post truth fake news, exposing American shameless propaganda lie efforts to resist Russian influence. And generally make Anerucans question do they still live in a dream Land of free or in USSA already (and before too, by the way) :lol: ...
Communism will prevail!!!

p.s. (Take notice, "is" is missing before " hardcore American", a typical Russian mistake), if you need more just say..
Good plan and good luck! You are, of course free to violate US election laws from the safety of Mother Russia and if some CIA agent is dumb enough to get recruited into your scheme, good luck to him!

Our American politicians who have supported your efforts have violated our laws, not yours. Like that CIA agent, the fact that they are dumb enough to fall for your enticements is not your fault.

Spying between our countries both actively and passively has been a big deal for a century. It appears you guys are a lot better at it than our guys.
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Jake, George is putting your capabilities under doubt... but we'll prove he's wrong, of course...

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(and while nobody's hearing us, I'm not a spy, and have never been. I'm afraid I am a dusappointment for both KGB and CIA :), I'm a free bird which does not tolerate absence of freedom of choice. So, calm down, I did not want to scare the s**t out of our Gulag members with my joke...:lol: I know you are quite sensitive in your hysteria and paranoya and will take care of you :)
(I suppose it would be too violent to add - but anyone wanting to becone a KGB spy is welcome...

Damn, what a Stalinist Gulag you Americans live in, under constant fear and ideological surveilience and pressure...
It's good, of course, and funny
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Our gulag is tiny and amateurish compared to yours, of course, and there is no need to imprison dissenters as very few know what they are talking about and the vast majority of citizens don't care anyway. Today's GOP is more similar to Stalin's policies of deportation and imprisonment of minorities (Germans, Gypsies etc.) than his political terror.

We have been spying on Russia and influencing its government through subversion, propaganda etc. for generations. As is much else, America's lead has vanished and we are looking at a Russian team beating us at our own game. Middle age is a drag for nations as well as people.
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America has already banished Marxists to northern New Hampshire....It is our own Gulag........... :)
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George, what you say about Russia is just empty slogans and repetition of American propaganda and you had many opportunities to watch its exposure as a complete lie even for the last 2 days :) American propaganda for domestic consumption is primitive and beyond any quality, I still wonder how it can find anyone ready to consume it, in Russia people would just laugh at it.
You have no idea what a situation about freedom of speech we have here.
While I see and feel how fear soaks you all and American society in general. Good old McCartism Anti-Commie Witch hunt is back and people are afraid, really scared to be in any way associated with anything having the smallest Russian connection :)
I know this state of mind since I grew up in USSR. :)
Now Russia is incomparable not only to the USSR but to present day America, the only issue which is really persecuted in Russia is active Russian nationalism . And maybe islamist extremism :)
In all other aspects you can say whatever you want, just if you' an extreme opposition member the sourses you will be able to use are marginal liberal newspapers, if you take press, or internet outlets or something like this. In this regard there's no difference between us again.. As well there are several All-Russia powerful newspapers and sites like RBC, Kommersant, etc. financed by oligarkhs, they always crap into Putin's boots from over the corner, with certain causion...
But you, my dear George, live in a full scale police state where people are scared and practice outstanding self-censorship. You are scared by your state and by each other into total silence.
I knew and saw it, of course, but untill your reaction to my joke could not imagine the situation is that bad.... :)
There was a time I thought the US is a country with free speech - despite Soviet propaganda. It took to get aquainted with you to understand everything is just opposite. And it's a wonderful feeling to feel that even our imperfect Russia is much more a free society than present America.
Edited by Siberian, Sep 15 2017, 02:18 PM.
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There is an old Russian saying, "We have free speech, just like in America. It's the after speech which is different." Journalists and others critical of Mr. Putin have a curious habit of getting poisoned or shot in the street. The free speech is wonderful, but the after speech can kill you.
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There is an old Russian saying, "We have free speech, just like in America. It's the after speech which is different." Journalists and others critical of Mr. Putin have a curious habit of getting poisoned or shot in the street. The free speech is wonderful, but the after speech can kill you.
Are you saying the DNC is like Russia ???............. :confused:
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There is an old Russian saying, "We have free speech, just like in America. It's the after speech which is different." Journalists and others critical of Mr. Putin have a curious habit of getting poisoned or shot in the street. The free speech is wonderful, but the after speech can kill you.
Are you saying the DNC is like Russia ???............. :confused:
No, I am saying that Siberian's claim ^^^ of similarity between the USA and Russia overlooks some fundamental differences in civil rights and press freedom between the two nations.
Edited by George Aligator, Sep 15 2017, 07:27 PM.
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There is an old Russian saying, "We have free speech, just like in America. It's the after speech which is different." Journalists and others critical of Mr. Putin have a curious habit of getting poisoned or shot in the street. The free speech is wonderful, but the after speech can kill you.
lol, George, no, we didn't have such old Russian saying, at least I have nit heard it, instead we had an anecdote :
An American discusses with a Soviet Russian freedom of speech, an American says :
- Anyone in America can go to the White house and say that Reagan is an idiot.
- So what, in USSR everyone also can go the the Red Square and say that Reagan is an idiot... :)

Considering freedom of speech in Russia there is a set of American propaganda cliches usually used by ignorant Russophobes, first of all the fake list of "killed" Journalists, where among 200 names are press administrators, guardians, neighbours, friends, accountants, programmists, passers by, etc. who just died, were killed by jealous husbands and so on.
There are only 2-3 Journalists who were really killed or attempted to for political reasons, Politkovskaya, and Chechens who killed her serve term in prison, and maybe a couple of others on lower regional level, who are also investigated. While Mrs.Clinton also proposed once to drone Assange, as I remember.
The only (American paid) journalust who claims he's poisoned by Putin - is doing it regulatly, I mean he stated a dozen Putin's attempts to poison him, but he still can't finally die and keeps declaring new and new cases, every of which is fanned by American propaganda and later reposted by people like you. :) I don't remember his name, maybe you do.
Generally, stop telling fairy tales to me :)
There are people who publish books stating Putin stole $40 billions, journalists who write articles like, suggesting what effectvit will have on Russian public if Putin rapes a goat in the Red square etc. - without any restrictions or punishment - I mean limits of personal attacks on Putin are quite wide. Though, he cares much to keep his daughters out of press' attention.
Anyway, you can tell all such crap to you ignorant fellow Americans, to me it's a waste of time and I suppose not a very pleasant minutes for you being lectured :)


for example, I regularly read this Russian author, he's quute funny.

http://m.spiegel.de/international/europe/new-book-on-vladimir-putin-claims-russian-president-flees-from-people-a-936801.html
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no, similarity is already a past stage of my claims, we are different, the US is much more a police state than present Russia, and coming fast to what USSR was.

Vladimir Kara-Murza ! - the journalist which is regularly poisoned by Putin :)
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