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Washington orders RT America to register as foreign agent by Monday; USSA supresses freedom of press
Topic Started: Nov 9 2017, 10:36 AM (657 Views)
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Robert Stout
Nov 9 2017, 02:40 PM
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Nov 9 2017, 02:23 PM
This attack on freedom of the press will not survive in the SCOTUS.......... :rotflmao:
Justice Roberts has already proven he sides with America values and not right-wing propaganda when his sympathetic affirmation of Obamacare allowed the ACA to stand. In fact, the 1st Amendment is just as strong today as it was under President Obama - much to your chagrin.
Not to worry....There are two more liberal judges with one foot in the grave ................ :victory:
Justice Ginsberg's not retiring as long as their's a Republican in the White House, and Justice Kennedy's a Constitutionalist, not a liberal.


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Nov 9 2017, 02:49 PM
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Nov 9 2017, 02:23 PM
This attack on freedom of the press will not survive in the SCOTUS.......... :rotflmao:
Justice Roberts has already proven he sides with America values and not right-wing propaganda when his sympathetic affirmation of Obamacare allowed the ACA to stand. In fact, the 1st Amendment is just as strong today as it was under President Obama - much to your chagrin.
Not to worry....There are two more liberal judges with one foot in the grave ................ :victory:
Justice Ginsberg's not retiring as long as their's a Republican in the White House, and Justice Kennedy's a Constitutionalist, not a liberal.


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Why is this a bad thing?
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Nov 9 2017, 08:45 PM
Why is this a bad thing?
It would be bad if it was retribution for what they reported. That would be a violation of the 1st Amendment. However, if you can tie it the actions of a foreign government and the actions of the "media" source then it really is not bad. It all comes down to motivation which is hard to determine.
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Nov 9 2017, 09:57 PM
Dr. B
Nov 9 2017, 08:45 PM
Why is this a bad thing?
It would be bad if it was retribution for what they reported. That would be a violation of the 1st Amendment. However, if you can tie it the actions of a foreign government and the actions of the "media" source then it really is not bad. It all comes down to motivation which is hard to determine.
Anything the New York Times does it at the direction of Carlos Slim and therefore the Mexican Government ???............ :dunno:
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Nov 9 2017, 11:41 AM
Just out of curiosity, has RT ever done a truly negative article about Putin and the Russian government?

How did RT cover the Russian invasion and annexation of Crimea? The Ukraine? I ask because I don't read their coverage. It is entirely possible that they covered it honestly.

How was their coverage of that passenger jet that was shot down with Russian missiles by people Russia was actively training at the time?
it depends on either you consider giving an opposition opinion too as a negative piece. then - yes, of course, plenty of this. If you mean pouring own dirt on Putin - no, I doubt I have ever seen it.
Of course there's no opinion withot incline, but a truly news sourse which RT is and most US news sourses are not - gives opportunity to speak to all sides.
Of course I think you can hardly find corruption or human rughts abuse investigation by RT itself, which is the only news reported by US media on Russia, but RT never silences critics, like US TV does, I saw multiple times some crazy Americans spitting and crying loud from the screen about evil Russia :)
Generalizing - RT provides much more more chances to form an adequate opinion than entire US press.

May I ask in my turn - have you ever, ever at all seen a single positive article on Russia in entire US press, TV, wherever, - mainstream I mean.
Of course unless you regect that total defamation can be a sign of propaganda and absense of freedom of press in the US.


this is one of my favourite pieces... it is absolutely typical, the truth can make its way to US media only as a result of neglect of producers and editors, this girl was meant to speak on Russia war crimes, because American politicians and press self-zombies too, they believe own propaganda and could not expect such a failure, they really thought it was nit Georgians but Russians bombing civikuans. Becausecthere is no alternative point of view in US nedia, all as one was saying that it was Rusdia which attacked Georgia.
Do you see how much you are being zombied?


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Edited by Siberian, Nov 10 2017, 02:51 AM.
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Russia doesn't get enough credit for saving people from vicious savage primitives and Hillary............... :usa:
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‘McCarthyism on steroids’: US war on Russian media won’t stop with branding RT foreign agent


Washington’s ultimatum for RT America to register as a foreign agent is a “significant escalation of the war launched against Russian media” which only demonstrates how desperate the US establishment has become, British media expert Neil Clark believes.

https://www.rt.com/news/409406-foreign-agent-rt-mccarthyism/
Edited by Siberian, Nov 10 2017, 06:18 AM.
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And Demagogue, your words that you don't read RT made me smile of course, don't tell me that you never read topics I start, I presume 80% of them are RT articles.

Which are spotless from objectivity and quality of information point of view....

but generally, as I said in another topic - the US establishment faces a giant crisis of the methods of governance.
Its propaganda completely fails, does not guarantee complete PEACEFUL control over population.
And as failure of capitalist economy led to its eliminatuon first in stock markets (and other spheres to follow, you will see more and more features of centrally planned and regulated communist economy soon), so if peaceful methods fail get ready for suppression wth force. Black protests are just the beginning.
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And Demagogue, I would really like to hear the answer to this question of mine :

May I ask in my turn - have you ever, ever at all seen a single positive article on Russia in entire US press, TV, wherever, - mainstream I mean.
Of course unless you regect that total defamation can be a sign of propaganda and absense of freedom of press in the US.


I suspect you are a secret American supporter of free speech and fair play approach, don't be afraid to reaveal this incline now to give an honest answer, I will not report to US authorities... :)
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Nov 10 2017, 07:31 AM
And Demagogue, I would really like to hear the answer to this question of mine :

May I ask in my turn - have you ever, ever at all seen a single positive article on Russia in entire US press, TV, wherever, - mainstream I mean.
Of course unless you regect that total defamation can be a sign of propaganda and absense of freedom of press in the US.


I suspect you are a secret American supporter of free speech and fair play approach, don't be afraid to reaveal this incline now to give an honest answer, I will not report to US authorities... :)
I have but then Putin regained the Presidency and stomped that out.
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Nov 10 2017, 07:31 AM
And Demagogue, I would really like to hear the answer to this question of mine :

May I ask in my turn - have you ever, ever at all seen a single positive article on Russia in entire US press, TV, wherever, - mainstream I mean.
Of course unless you regect that total defamation can be a sign of propaganda and absense of freedom of press in the US.


I suspect you are a secret American supporter of free speech and fair play approach, don't be afraid to reaveal this incline now to give an honest answer, I will not report to US authorities... :)
I have seen positive articles about Russia. Pretty much zero positive articles about Putin these days. Basically, after Putin changed the laws so that he could be President (dictator) for life any chances of something positive out of the US Press about him was eliminated.

Anyway, prior to Putin's first election there was a great deal of positive news in regards to Russia here in the US press. Some outlets even had positive articles recently in regards to the Russian fight against ISIS. The Russian invasion and annexation of Crimea on the other hand is obviously considered bad by pretty much every news outlet in the world other than those controlled by the Kremlin. Shooting down that passenger jet did not help Russia win any friends in the west either.

The point I was making though was internal politics. RT and Sputnik as far as I can tell have are the worlds biggest fans of Putin. Sure, when Obama was President CNN, MSNBC and others fawned over him but there would be the occasional article that questioned his policies. FoxNews of course was a thorn in Obama's side for most of his Presidency. Now that Trump is president the folks at CNN, MSNBC and other more liberal outlets question everything Trump does. Fox and the few other more conservative outlets tend to be less negative but even they call him out when he does stupid stuff.

I don't see any of that kind of thing coming out of the Russian news outlets. For them Putin walks on water, the Ukrainians had it coming, The Crimea was begging to be part of Russia etc etc.

Incidentally, when I said that I don't read RT I mean that I don't go to that site unless it is in response to something posted here. Therefor I do not know the full extent of their coverage. That is why I asked you if there was some coverage where they do address the fact that maybe Crimea did not want Russia to invade or maybe Putin does some bad things etc. That content could exist on RT and if it does then I would love to see examples of it since that might indicate that they were wrong to tell them to register as a foreign agent.

Wasn't the UK the first place to require that BTW? I seem to recall an article posted hear about a year ago about the same thing happening over there.
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Nov 10 2017, 11:39 AM
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Nov 10 2017, 07:31 AM
And Demagogue, I would really like to hear the answer to this question of mine :

May I ask in my turn - have you ever, ever at all seen a single positive article on Russia in entire US press, TV, wherever, - mainstream I mean.
Of course unless you regect that total defamation can be a sign of propaganda and absense of freedom of press in the US.


I suspect you are a secret American supporter of free speech and fair play approach, don't be afraid to reaveal this incline now to give an honest answer, I will not report to US authorities... :)
I have seen positive articles about Russia. Pretty much zero positive articles about Putin these days. Basically, after Putin changed the laws so that he could be President (dictator) for life any chances of something positive out of the US Press about him was eliminated.

Anyway, prior to Putin's first election there was a great deal of positive news in regards to Russia here in the US press. Some outlets even had positive articles recently in regards to the Russian fight against ISIS. The Russian invasion and annexation of Crimea on the other hand is obviously considered bad by pretty much every news outlet in the world other than those controlled by the Kremlin. Shooting down that passenger jet did not help Russia win any friends in the west either.

The point I was making though was internal politics. RT and Sputnik as far as I can tell have are the worlds biggest fans of Putin. Sure, when Obama was President CNN, MSNBC and others fawned over him but there would be the occasional article that questioned his policies. FoxNews of course was a thorn in Obama's side for most of his Presidency. Now that Trump is president the folks at CNN, MSNBC and other more liberal outlets question everything Trump does. Fox and the few other more conservative outlets tend to be less negative but even they call him out when he does stupid stuff.

I don't see any of that kind of thing coming out of the Russian news outlets. For them Putin walks on water, the Ukrainians had it coming, The Crimea was begging to be part of Russia etc etc.

Incidentally, when I said that I don't read RT I mean that I don't go to that site unless it is in response to something posted here. Therefor I do not know the full extent of their coverage. That is why I asked you if there was some coverage where they do address the fact that maybe Crimea did not want Russia to invade or maybe Putin does some bad things etc. That content could exist on RT and if it does then I would love to see examples of it since that might indicate that they were wrong to tell them to register as a foreign agent.

Wasn't the UK the first place to require that BTW? I seem to recall an article posted hear about a year ago about the same thing happening over there.
The BBC hates competition....So does CNN and NBC.............. :mad:
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Demagogue, I would be intetested to see what you mean by a positive article, the closest one to "positive" I recall was "yes, Russia is making a tremendous progress, and this is the reason we must increase military budget, build more bases on Russian borders and send more arms to Ukraine " :)

Of course in 90s there could be less aggresively negative approach but I attribute your such an opinion to your inability to actually tell what is said in a negative sense. I mean Russia you know is not Russua which really exists, you take for granted numerous negative stereotypes not even noticing them. Thus an article with 10 negative things and 1 unexpectedly positive goes as positive for you.
Or, in 90s there could be positive atricles on pro-Western cleptocrats who were robbing the country under guidance of US snd IMF advisers. As soon as Russia srarted to have first signs of own foreign policy immediately massive defamation was switched on. So, 90s are not a true example, look at US press for last 10 years, and not on Putin, but on Russia at all.
Of course if you give a link to any "positive" article it could help.
But as a perfect axample, I mean non-politics, like Olympic games in Sochi, it was before Ukraine happened - US media coverage was a giant defamation campaign, try to find a single positive article. Or Georgian invasion in South Ossetia, most Americans still believe the lie that it was Russia which invaded Georgia. In any, absolutely any political issue on Russia in the entire US press there can be zero, I emphasize, zero alternative opinion (to the one of establishment) . Except some marginal sources.
You live entirely in a reality designed by propaganda, yes, exactly propaganda. You think with stamps, within patterns (Crinea "annexation is an exampke later in the post). Like - Ukrainian ex-president Yanukovich is akways pro-Russian president, while he was not. And so on.
I.e. my idea is that Americans have been kept in almost sterile propagabda atmosphere for decades, and suddenly an alternative sourse emerged... RT. Which is a propaganda sourse, but is much, much, 1/10 a propaganda sourse than any of US MSM .

And yes, Crimea was literally begging to return to Russia. It is ethnically Russian and decades of mild suppression and forced Ukrainization fertilized Crimean spring. People were celebrating in the streets, you can hardly find 10% who opposed reunification with Russia. This is another example of American propaganda - referendum under the barrel of a gun and so on, it was so funny and outrageous lie we all saw....
to be continued
Edited by Siberian, Nov 10 2017, 03:49 PM.
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Why is this a bad thing?
It would be bad if it was retribution for what they reported. That would be a violation of the 1st Amendment. However, if you can tie it the actions of a foreign government and the actions of the "media" source then it really is not bad. It all comes down to motivation which is hard to determine.
Russian corporations have first amendment rights?

Globalists.
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Nov 9 2017, 10:36 AM
Washington will apply its Foreign Agents Registration Act to RT America, the channel has announced. The Department of Justice has given the broadcaster until Monday to register as a foreign agent, otherwise the channel’s head faces arrest and its accounts could be frozen.

https://www.rt.com/news/409349-rt-foreign-agent-doj/
Hope Al Jazeera gets nailed also.
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On domestic affairs - first, as you can see here in this forum - topics on Russian domestic affairs can hardly be watched by a couple of Russia-haters and fans of Russia, plus Robert Stout which reads and replies to all topics in this forum. :) So generally Russian coverage is quite limited in RT since it broadcasts on foreign audience. Then, of course you cannot find such lie that Crimeans did not want reunificatiin - just because they did want :)
But generally I would characterize RT coverage of domestic "problematic for Putin" topics as limited to what oposition say and what RT cannot ignore. Talking on an issue it will quote opposition or will describe an opposition opinion but unlukely more.
And it is much better and more balanced an approach than US MSM demonstrates.
I'll try to find examples, I am interested nyself.
I rememver RT had some problems in the UK too, not sure they were the first. RT ads were censored both in the UK and the US and not long ago some bank account was frozen in the UK and then unblocked after RT reported it in news, but I am not sure...
Edited by Siberian, Nov 10 2017, 04:05 PM.
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and , it is not correct to compare US oress criticism to the oresident, which is not an independebt figure, not a figure of big influence and not a figure of much power to the president of Russia is not quite correct :)
if you compare mid level Russian executives and officials to their American equivalent - a president - here in Russia press is absolutely vicious against them sometimes :)
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OK, here is an example, an opposition figure, a daughter of foremer Putin's boss and mayor of St.Petersburg which recently declared she wants to run for presidency next year - Xenia Sobchak.
Putin is her god father by the way... :)
She felt absolutely unpunishable for this reason and sometines runs absolutely vicious against Putin, there can hardly be any opposition rally she does not speak at.
But she's a clown, a Russian Paris Hilton in Russians'perseption, she has zero chance of course. But is cherished by the West. Anyway, she's quite a vocal critic of Putin. One if many critics of Putun. And coverage of her story is typical for RT coverage of opposition.

https://www.rt.com/politics/409327-presidential-hopeful-sobchak-says-sanctions/

some quotes

- Ksenia Sobchak says she supports the anti-Russian sanctions imposed by the US
- Sobchak said she personally thinks Russia is responsible for the current poor state of international relations. She also reiterated her allegation that the reunification of Crimea and the Russian Federation was a violation of international law.
- she described Crimea as “Ukrainian territory” and claimed that Crimea’s accession to the Russian Federation was a violation of the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances.
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or, an article on protests in Russia
https://www.rt.com/politics/409026-social-protests-in-russia-outnumber/

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So, I would be grateful if you give a link to any positive article on Russia.
Edited by Siberian, Nov 10 2017, 04:27 PM.
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…Sure, when Obama was President CNN, MSNBC and others fawned over him but there would be the occasional article that questioned his policies. FoxNews of course was a thorn in Obama's side for most of his Presidency. Now that Trump is president the folks at CNN, MSNBC and other more liberal outlets question everything Trump does. Fox and the few other more conservative outlets tend to be less negative but even they call him out when he does stupid stuff.


CNN and MSNBC propped up Donald Trump during the 2016 Republican presidential primaries.

They followed the Hillary Clinton ”Pied Piper” strategy. Neither CNN or MSNBC figured that Donald Trump could defeat Hillary Clinton. With some of the Democratic presidential primaries won by Bernie Sanders, MSNBC in particular avoided covering some of Sanders’ victory speeches and, instead, put on camera the podium and stage where Trump would be speaking.

MSNBC colluded with the Hillary Clinton campaign: http://yournewswire.com/dnc-leak-reveals-msnbc-ny-times-sabotaged-sanders/ .

MSNBC wasn’t alone: http://observer.com/2016/11/mainstream-media-recap-who-colluded-with-the-clinton-campaign/ .

When it comes to coverage on the corruption of the DNC, Hillary Clinton and her campaign, RT America did what CNN and MSNBC did not do—report.

This upsets Democrats. And these Free Speech Democrats want to censor this.

Edited by Colors Plus, Nov 10 2017, 04:41 PM.
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