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'Keep fighting the good fight': Marine veteran’s letter of support for RT America
Topic Started: Nov 18 2017, 12:56 PM (1,478 Views)
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Nov 22 2017, 11:56 PM
Aside from all this, RT America , is more like a subdivision of RT , and they are not being controlled by the Russian government.

If they want to put Ed Schultz and Jesse Ventura on the stand in Congress, people will pay to see that. C-Span will get it's highest ratings ever.


Most Americans don't know what the FSB is and still think the KGB is in control of Russia. This would be a funny joke if it wasn't true.
I guess I have to ask... so what? RT will still operate in the US market, Ed and Jesse will still get a place to voice their views... unlike a large number of the NGOs which have been shut down in Russia(see above... maybe even try to rationalize)
Why should any American care if these NGOs are shut down? Not only do I applaud Putin, I want Trump to shutters these Soros’ orgs here in America
Yeah, but you're kind of on your own out there... I was talking about reasonable people, pretty sure you're going to die alone and disappointed.
Irrelevent. Marx didn’t live to see the October Revolution.
If it hadn't been for the Democrats rigging the 2016 primaries against Bernie Sanders, we wouldn't be talking about Russia right now. Americans are sleepwalking and heading for a rude awakening.
Edited by _g R_, Nov 23 2017, 01:03 AM.
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Aside from all this, RT America , is more like a subdivision of RT , and they are not being controlled by the Russian government.

If they want to put Ed Schultz and Jesse Ventura on the stand in Congress, people will pay to see that. C-Span will get it's highest ratings ever.


Most Americans don't know what the FSB is and still think the KGB is in control of Russia. This would be a funny joke if it wasn't true.
I guess I have to ask... so what? RT will still operate in the US market, Ed and Jesse will still get a place to voice their views... unlike a large number of the NGOs which have been shut down in Russia(see above... maybe even try to rationalize)
Why should any American care if these NGOs are shut down? Not only do I applaud Putin, I want Trump to shutters these Soros’ orgs here in America
Yeah, but you're kind of on your own out there... I was talking about reasonable people, pretty sure you're going to die alone and disappointed.
Irrelevent. Marx didn’t live to see the October Revolution.
So now you're Marx? Lol...
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RT is not an independent news source. They are owned and governed by the Russian government. There is plenty of evidence the government dictates editorial content. That makes it like the old Radio Moscow, a propaganda tool.
Buckfan, in Russia we have a meme - to break the template.
It's when you've lived the whole life thinking that the Earth is flat and suddenly you find out it is round.... and when you comprehend it you have a moment of braking a template...

I'll try to bring you one..

You heard multiple times, are used to cosider it an axiom and don't bother yourself with thinking with own brain in this regard.

But tell me, even if RT is financed by the state - why does your access to it have to be limited? Why any infornation provided by a foreign government must not be treated as any other information, provided to you by some tycoon, or an oligarkh, or whoever owns mass media?
i.e. in the way criminal code stipulates - if you lie, you must be held responsible in the independent court via competitive procedure. if not - you are free to say whatever you wish and whoever you are.

Does your American GULAG understand the concept of freedom of speech?
do you understand that the US government has just expanded censorship on infirmation you may have an access to?

America sucks, Jake, it really does. You are heading to become big Guatemala. first. and then - big Zimbabwe, as the Dollar bubble bursts...
Hey dude, I doubt you know this as you're a little slow, but in Russia, ANY NGO that receives foreign donations has to register as a foreign agent and can be closed at will by the govt, I think at last count about a third were shut down. You're not arguing from a position of strength here.

Russia sucks.
At least Russia isn’t overrun with illegal aliens.
Harambe, using illegal aliens (which we're quite overrun by the way, tgere are more than 10 mln muslim Uzbeks, Tajiks etc. from Central Asia, which only a year or two ago started to be controled somehow, now all they have to buy a licensevto work in Russia, before they were not controlled at all).
Thut I mean you agree with crazy and false Jake's lies saying "at least.." , you should not, you must undersrand that he both lies putting his words in my mouth that I am going to do this or that, and second - he lies and distirts facts themselves, I will describe where and how he lies as soon as I have 40-50 minutes for a thorough answer..
I'm sure we all can't wait and are counting the seconds until you finish that quart of Putinka.

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Quoting limited to 5 levels deepAside from all this, RT America , is more like a subdivision of RT , and they are not being controlled by the Russian government.

If they want to put Ed Schultz and Jesse Ventura on the stand in Congress, people will pay to see that. C-Span will get it's highest ratings ever.


Most Americans don't know what the FSB is and still think the KGB is in control of Russia. This would be a funny joke if it wasn't true.
Why should any American care if these NGOs are shut down? Not only do I applaud Putin, I want Trump to shutters these Soros’ orgs here in America
Yeah, but you're kind of on your own out there... I was talking about reasonable people, pretty sure you're going to die alone and disappointed.
Irrelevent. Marx didn’t live to see the October Revolution.
So now you're Marx? Lol...
I am unreasonable.
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Quoting limited to 5 levels deepAside from all this, RT America , is more like a subdivision of RT , and they are not being controlled by the Russian government.

If they want to put Ed Schultz and Jesse Ventura on the stand in Congress, people will pay to see that. C-Span will get it's highest ratings ever.


Most Americans don't know what the FSB is and still think the KGB is in control of Russia. This would be a funny joke if it wasn't true.
Yeah, but you're kind of on your own out there... I was talking about reasonable people, pretty sure you're going to die alone and disappointed.
Irrelevent. Marx didn’t live to see the October Revolution.
So now you're Marx? Lol...
I am unreasonable.
Don't sell yourself short, bro... you're a lot of things, unreasonable is one.
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Nov 23 2017, 12:35 AM

Quoting limited to 5 levels deepAside from all this, RT America , is more like a subdivision of RT , and they are not being controlled by the Russian government.

If they want to put Ed Schultz and Jesse Ventura on the stand in Congress, people will pay to see that. C-Span will get it's highest ratings ever.


Most Americans don't know what the FSB is and still think the KGB is in control of Russia. This would be a funny joke if it wasn't true.
Irrelevent. Marx didn’t live to see the October Revolution.
So now you're Marx? Lol...
I am unreasonable.
Don't sell yourself short, bro... you're a lot of things, unreasonable is one.
Handsome is another.
Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary.
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First of all, Jake, you must not compare apples and cars, freedom of press and NGOs which are involved in political activity. it is different things which must be treated in different way.
In this field, political actuvity of NGOs even if Russia toughens its approach tousand times we will not reach the level of restrictions the US applies to foreign intervention in domestic affairs. Starting from illegal invasion in Syria and domestically enormouse hysteria about just meeting a Russian ambassador, let alone some foreign government financing US politicians or anypolitical activity. Do you really want to compare Russian and American approaches? :lol: You are a completely totalitarian state, I was stunned to learn that a US official needs a permission "from above" even to meet a foreign official (Russians do not have to) and then to inform CIA or whatever about results of such meeting. Your whole society is in the tightest grip of the CIA and your establishment, there is no such freedom as we have here. Even before recent artificially created wuthout any reason Russophobic hysteria, which spinned restrictions to the level of the worst time of USSR... :)
Of course within institutionalized corruption as lobbism, which your establishment kindly affords itself anyone may buy US politicians, or to pay a couple millions for a half hour kecture :lol: , but still foreign NGOs enjoy much more restrictions in the US than in Russia in non-news area (to be described later).
For example, both the US and UK banned RT ads, not now, long ago, which can be really compared to virtual restrictions of US CIA-financed NGOs in Russia which do not have restrictions on any activity. I emphasise it, it was not news, we will talk on freedom of information later, it is what must be compared to foreign NGOs restrictions in Russia you mention, sinse ads is not news it's just an NGO activity.
These ads were banned in the US. it is both a clear act of political censorship and of course restrictions of activity of NGO. Do American NGOs face such restrictions in Russia? - NO!

https://youtu.be/f2il2V_l-GU


Edited by Siberian, Nov 23 2017, 01:42 AM.
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Hey dude, I doubt you know this as you're a little slow, but in Russia, ANY NGO that receives foreign donations has to register as a foreign agent and can be closed at will by the govt, I think at last count about a third were shut down. You're not arguing from a position of strength here.

Russia sucks.
At least Russia isn’t overrun with illegal aliens.
Harambe, using illegal aliens (which we're quite overrun by the way, tgere are more than 10 mln muslim Uzbeks, Tajiks etc. from Central Asia, which only a year or two ago started to be controled somehow, now all they have to buy a licensevto work in Russia, before they were not controlled at all).
Thut I mean you agree with crazy and false Jake's lies saying "at least.." , you should not, you must undersrand that he both lies putting his words in my mouth that I am going to do this or that, and second - he lies and distirts facts themselves, I will describe where and how he lies as soon as I have 40-50 minutes for a thorough answer..
I'm sure we all can't wait and are counting the seconds until you finish that quart of Putinka.

yes, you must wait till blessed with my response, I see the training I applied on you brings fruits.. :lol:
Want some more? :)
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First of all, Jake, you must not compare apples and cars, freedom of press and NGOs which are involved in political activity. it is different things which must be treated in different way.
In this field, political actuvity of NGOs even if Russia toughens its approach tousand times we will not reach the level of restrictions the US applies to foreign intervention in domestic affairs. Starting from illegal invasion in Syria and domestically enormouse hysteria about just meeting a Russian ambassador, let alone some foreign government financing US politicians or anypolitical activity. Do you really want to compare Russian and American approaches? :lol: You are a completely totalitarian state, I was stunned to learn that a US official needs a permission "from above" even to meet a foreign official (Russians do not have to) and then to inform CIA or whatever about results of such meeting. Your whole society is in the tightest grip of the CIA and your establishment, there is no such freedom as we have here. Even before recent artificially created wuthout any reason Russophobic hysteria, which spinned restrictions to the level of the worst time of USSR... :)
Of course within institutionalized corruption as lobbism, which your establishment kindly affords itself anyone may buy US politicians, or to pay a couple millions for a half hour kecture :lol: , but still foreign NGOs enjoy much more restrictions in the US than in Russia in non-news area (to be described later).
For example, both the US and UK banned RT ads, not now, long ago, which can be really compared to virtual restrictions of US CIA-financed NGOs in Russia which do not have restrictions on any activity. I emphasise it, it was not news, we will talk on freedom of information later, it is what must be compared to foreign NGOs restrictions in Russia you mention, sinse ads is not news it's just an NGO activity.
These ads were banned in the US. it is both a clear act of political censorship and of course restrictions of activity of NGO. Do American NGOs face such restrictions in Russia? - NO!

https://youtu.be/f2il2V_l-GU


Looks like it was a gallon of Putinka...

Try to stay with the topic - NGOs and the foreign agent registration. Russia has shut down dozens of DOMESTIC entities branding them as foreign agents when they obviously weren't(I posted the list, you obviously had no response to it - independent polling agencies, election monitors, etc - geez, I wonder why Putin would have them shut down?). Other than your fantasies/rantings about what the CIA is doing, which of course you provide no evidence for(you just 'know'), you bring nothing to the table. I'm sure we're all surprised.

RT, while having to register as a foreign agent, still has full broadcast rights in the US, something that can't be said of the 30-40 Russian agencies dedicated to the independent flow of information that Putin and the Russian govt are so petrified of and have had shut down.

Pro tip - if you have nothing to say, say nothing.

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At least Russia isn’t overrun with illegal aliens.
Harambe, using illegal aliens (which we're quite overrun by the way, tgere are more than 10 mln muslim Uzbeks, Tajiks etc. from Central Asia, which only a year or two ago started to be controled somehow, now all they have to buy a licensevto work in Russia, before they were not controlled at all).<br />Thut I mean you agree with crazy and false Jake's lies saying "at least.." , you should not, you must undersrand that he both lies putting his words in my mouth that I am going to do this or that, and second - he lies and distirts facts themselves, I will describe where and how he lies as soon as I have 40-50 minutes for a thorough answer..
I'm sure we all can't wait and are counting the seconds until you finish that quart of Putinka.<br /><br />
yes, you must wait till blessed with my response, I see the training I applied on you brings fruits.. :lol:<br />Want some more? :)
Russians suck.
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Jake, not you define the topic to which I "have to", must, should etc stick to.
any conversation betwen us on serious topic which (if is not just training of you :) ) can be only in the form of a dialog where I answer your questions and you answer mine.
No problem at all, I will answer the list of ngos, a couple of days ago I saw a poll of Levada center (in all or most Russian media with the question - what you dislike in Putin the most? :) ) - and with no mentioning that is is a US-funded polling center :)
So obviously it is a lie what you post, but anyway, I obviously need more time to not just defeat you but jump on you with all possible pleasure.
So - answering your allegations, questions, lies or whatever I expect you to be capable of at least some intellectual effort and answer the questions I put.
I hope some day you understand that calling names and all these vodka mentioning puts you and the US in the garbage basket much more than any Russian propaganda does :)
Russian propaganda wins because it is truth and because it is more intelligent than a dumb Anerican one.
While you are stuck in your primitivism.
Edited by Siberian, Nov 23 2017, 06:10 PM.
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So, Jake, it is just the beginning, I don't finish the topic with this post, I will both ask you questions and answer yours - already put and any future ones - if you are not a complete dumbass of course.
now we're comparing NGO activity and reaction of authorities by both countries. freedom of press will be later.
but here please swallow one of your lies.
this is the site and press-release of US-financed Levada polling center, (mentiobed by you, I will talk on CIA-financed American NGOs later), which is not only open but even posts its polls' results without any note that it is an American agent (I am surprised myself since I read the law on foreign agents stipulates they must).
Do you know yourself what a hysteria it would be if Russia was financing a US nation-wide polling center before elections? Russian presidential elections are due next spring.
7 thousand dollars spent by Russian citizens (not government) on ads in Twitter are presented as Putin's involvement in US elections. And note the headline (while the poll was of both negative and positive sides), the incline of comment of an "expert" - an expert works for a joint venture news company too, i.e. also financed by foreign states, but I have to check it out to be sure, you can fo it yourself - RBC or РБК ..

So, generally, Russia is much more free than the US, Russians can access much broader range of opinions than Americans with absolutely totalitarian US MSM and complete control on news and witch hunt on any alternative opinion.

and you are lied too and you are too a Russophobic zombie to even want to learn you are lied to.

some idiots here love to repeat that Putin kill people for alternative opinions... :) not supporting Putin, he's a n asshole in many other things, but judt for the sake of objectuvity I have nothing but say - he does not :)
in the US people are persecuted not just for an alternative opinion, but for not repeating the state propaganda! let Trump say that Russians did not interviene in elections, I will watch it... :) he must, just must publicly repeat again and again - Russisns intervuened... :)

https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&nv=1&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://www.levada.ru/2017/11/20/rossiyane-nazvali-otsutstvie-zaboty-o-prostyh-lyudyah-glavnym-minusom-putina/&usg=ALkJrhgxWIYSBEhcGfUuuQ1xnTUNan3T7Q


Just imagine such an article on Obama financed by Russia... :lol:
In Free Russia you can easilly do it - I here post a really existing article, you can check by yoursrlf, in Totalitarian American GULAG you can't. give me a single example... :)

RUSSIANS HAVE CALLED THE ABSENCE OF CARE FOR ORDINARY PEOPLE THE MAIN MINUS OF PUTIN

11/20/2017 Версия для печати print version
To the question that they do not like Vladimir Putin in the Russian president, 15% of Russians answered that he "does not care" and "forgot about ordinary people", 10% believe that he is too "soft to the ministers" and is in the power of his entourage, 7% blame the leader of the country for not "fighting corruption" and "spreading thieves around him." Such data was presented by the Levada Center following the results of the October poll of the opinion of Russians about the head of state (available to RBC). The question was open, that is, the respondents themselves called the characteristics inherent, in their opinion, the president, sociology similar in their meaning united in one. Respondents could give more than one answer.

Further, the list of the most popular reasons why respondents do not like the president is followed by poverty and low salaries of the population (6%), the president's verbosity (5%), problems in the country's economy (4%), Putin's too much attention to foreign policy and defense country (4%), its authoritarianism (3%). The remainin....
Edited by Siberian, Nov 24 2017, 02:58 AM.
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Quoting limited to 5 levels deepAside from all this, RT America , is more like a subdivision of RT , and they are not being controlled by the Russian government.

If they want to put Ed Schultz and Jesse Ventura on the stand in Congress, people will pay to see that. C-Span will get it's highest ratings ever.


Most Americans don't know what the FSB is and still think the KGB is in control of Russia. This would be a funny joke if it wasn't true.
Why should any American care if these NGOs are shut down? Not only do I applaud Putin, I want Trump to shutters these Soros’ orgs here in America
Yeah, but you're kind of on your own out there... I was talking about reasonable people, pretty sure you're going to die alone and disappointed.
Irrelevent. Marx didn’t live to see the October Revolution.
If it hadn't been for the Democrats rigging the 2016 primaries against Bernie Sanders, we wouldn't be talking about Russia right now. Americans are sleepwalking and heading for a rude awakening.
They can blame Russia all they want for whatever good that does (a Republican will always be in office until 2020 and Pence may even be worse than Trump). They just won't be winning elections unless they get their act together.
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Nov 23 2017, 12:30 AM

Quoting limited to 5 levels deepAside from all this, RT America , is more like a subdivision of RT , and they are not being controlled by the Russian government.

If they want to put Ed Schultz and Jesse Ventura on the stand in Congress, people will pay to see that. C-Span will get it's highest ratings ever.


Most Americans don't know what the FSB is and still think the KGB is in control of Russia. This would be a funny joke if it wasn't true.
Yeah, but you're kind of on your own out there... I was talking about reasonable people, pretty sure you're going to die alone and disappointed.
Irrelevent. Marx didn’t live to see the October Revolution.
If it hadn't been for the Democrats rigging the 2016 primaries against Bernie Sanders, we wouldn't be talking about Russia right now. Americans are sleepwalking and heading for a rude awakening.
They can blame Russia all they want for whatever good that does (a Republican will always be in office until 2020 and Pence may even be worse than Trump). They just won't be winning elections unless they get their act together.
After all that's come out with the Dem's dirty work with Sander's....Why do you think Sander's people are still in bed with them? :dunno:
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RT is not an independent news source. They are owned and governed by the Russian government. There is plenty of evidence the government dictates editorial content. That makes it like the old Radio Moscow, a propaganda tool.
may I ask, are you with Tsalagi (former) military? You seem not to get the very concept of multiple competing news sourses (whatever they are) as a basis of democracy. You need it to be jusy one, but a kosher one from your point of view. And better conveyed in the form of an order... :) ( or accompanued with an order banning alternative opinions)
I get the concept of multiple competing news sources. I also get the concept of propaganda and state-run "news" sources. RT is a state run news source who's primary purpose is to advance the interests of the state (Russia) and to negatively impacts its opponents.

With that in mind, I can watch RT but I do not consider it an credible journalistic news outlet.
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RT is not an independent news source. They are owned and governed by the Russian government. There is plenty of evidence the government dictates editorial content. That makes it like the old Radio Moscow, a propaganda tool.
may I ask, are you with Tsalagi (former) military? You seem not to get the very concept of multiple competing news sourses (whatever they are) as a basis of democracy. You need it to be jusy one, but a kosher one from your point of view. And better conveyed in the form of an order... :) ( or accompanued with an order banning alternative opinions)
I get the concept of multiple competing news sources. I also get the concept of propaganda and state-run "news" sources. RT is a state run news source who's primary purpose is to advance the interests of the state (Russia) and to negatively impacts its opponents.

With that in mind, I can watch RT but I do not consider it an credible journalistic news outlet.
As opposed to the US mainstream media that has been legitimizing a buffoon like Donald Trump

for the past 6 or 7 years going back to the Obama birth certificate fiasco ?

By the way, RT America is like it's own company and manages it's own content, separate from RT.


Edited by _g R_, Nov 25 2017, 10:38 AM.
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Nov 18 2017, 01:03 PM
RT is not an independent news source. They are owned and governed by the Russian government. There is plenty of evidence the government dictates editorial content. That makes it like the old Radio Moscow, a propaganda tool.
may I ask, are you with Tsalagi (former) military? You seem not to get the very concept of multiple competing news sourses (whatever they are) as a basis of democracy. You need it to be jusy one, but a kosher one from your point of view. And better conveyed in the form of an order... :) ( or accompanued with an order banning alternative opinions)
I get the concept of multiple competing news sources. I also get the concept of propaganda and state-run "news" sources. RT is a state run news source who's primary purpose is to advance the interests of the state (Russia) and to negatively impacts its opponents.

With that in mind, I can watch RT but I do not consider it an credible journalistic news outlet.
As opposed to the US mainstream media that has been legitimizing a buffoon like Donald Trump

for the past 6 or 7 years going back to the Obama birth certificate fiasco ?

By the way, RT America is like it's own company and manages it's own content, separate from RT.


separate from RT

lol... there isn't much you won't swallow...
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Nov 18 2017, 01:03 PM
RT is not an independent news source. They are owned and governed by the Russian government. There is plenty of evidence the government dictates editorial content. That makes it like the old Radio Moscow, a propaganda tool.
may I ask, are you with Tsalagi (former) military? You seem not to get the very concept of multiple competing news sourses (whatever they are) as a basis of democracy. You need it to be jusy one, but a kosher one from your point of view. And better conveyed in the form of an order... :) ( or accompanued with an order banning alternative opinions)
I get the concept of multiple competing news sources. I also get the concept of propaganda and state-run "news" sources. RT is a state run news source who's primary purpose is to advance the interests of the state (Russia) and to negatively impacts its opponents.

With that in mind, I can watch RT but I do not consider it an credible journalistic news outlet.
As opposed to the US mainstream media that has been legitimizing a buffoon like Donald Trump

for the past 6 or 7 years going back to the Obama birth certificate fiasco ?

By the way, RT America is like it's own company and manages it's own content, separate from RT.


separate from RT

lol... there isn't much you won't swallow...
The US media helped the Bush administration lie us into the Iraq War
and the American people swallowed it hook line and sinker.

Would you like my entire list of ways in which the US corporate media has been complicit in undermining the well being of our society and damaging our democracy ?
Edited by _g R_, Nov 25 2017, 12:19 PM.
The real leftists are the silenced majority, the sleeping giant.
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Is Aljazeera registered as a foreign agent ?
Where are they from again ?


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So, Jake, it is just the beginning, I don't finish the topic with this post, I will both ask you questions and answer yours - already put and any future ones - if you are not a complete dumbass of course.
now we're comparing NGO activity and reaction of authorities by both countries. freedom of press will be later.
but here please swallow one of your lies.
this is the site and press-release of US-financed Levada polling center, (mentiobed by you, I will talk on CIA-financed American NGOs later), which is not only open but even posts its polls' results without any note that it is an American agent (I am surprised myself since I read the law on foreign agents stipulates they must).
Do you know yourself what a hysteria it would be if Russia was financing a US nation-wide polling center before elections? Russian presidential elections are due next spring.
7 thousand dollars spent by Russian citizens (not government) on ads in Twitter are presented as Putin's involvement in US elections. And note the headline (while the poll was of both negative and positive sides), the incline of comment of an "expert" - an expert works for a joint venture news company too, i.e. also financed by foreign states, but I have to check it out to be sure, you can fo it yourself - RBC or РБК ..

So, generally, Russia is much more free than the US, Russians can access much broader range of opinions than Americans with absolutely totalitarian US MSM and complete control on news and witch hunt on any alternative opinion.

and you are lied too and you are too a Russophobic zombie to even want to learn you are lied to.

some idiots here love to repeat that Putin kill people for alternative opinions... :) not supporting Putin, he's a n asshole in many other things, but judt for the sake of objectuvity I have nothing but say - he does not :)
in the US people are persecuted not just for an alternative opinion, but for not repeating the state propaganda! let Trump say that Russians did not interviene in elections, I will watch it... :) he must, just must publicly repeat again and again - Russisns intervuened... :)

https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&nv=1&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://www.levada.ru/2017/11/20/rossiyane-nazvali-otsutstvie-zaboty-o-prostyh-lyudyah-glavnym-minusom-putina/&usg=ALkJrhgxWIYSBEhcGfUuuQ1xnTUNan3T7Q


Just imagine such an article on Obama financed by Russia... :lol:
In Free Russia you can easilly do it - I here post a really existing article, you can check by yoursrlf, in Totalitarian American GULAG you can't. give me a single example... :)

RUSSIANS HAVE CALLED THE ABSENCE OF CARE FOR ORDINARY PEOPLE THE MAIN MINUS OF PUTIN

11/20/2017 Версия для печати print version
To the question that they do not like Vladimir Putin in the Russian president, 15% of Russians answered that he "does not care" and "forgot about ordinary people", 10% believe that he is too "soft to the ministers" and is in the power of his entourage, 7% blame the leader of the country for not "fighting corruption" and "spreading thieves around him." Such data was presented by the Levada Center following the results of the October poll of the opinion of Russians about the head of state (available to RBC). The question was open, that is, the respondents themselves called the characteristics inherent, in their opinion, the president, sociology similar in their meaning united in one. Respondents could give more than one answer.

Further, the list of the most popular reasons why respondents do not like the president is followed by poverty and low salaries of the population (6%), the president's verbosity (5%), problems in the country's economy (4%), Putin's too much attention to foreign policy and defense country (4%), its authoritarianism (3%). The remainin....
US-financed Levada polling center

please provide some documentation that Levada is US financed
VTsIOM became widely respected for its objectivity and professionalism among academics and journalists in both the Soviet Union and the West. In the 1990s, the agency's polls gained a reputation for being very reliable.[a 1]

Although VTsIOM received no budget money and funded itself with private-sector polling contracts from the breakdown of Soviet Union in 1992 to 2003, Levada had not addressed the fact that the polling agency remained a state-owned agency on paper.

This allowed the state to employ a legal technicality and appoint a new board of directors in September 2003, composed mainly of its officials, to oversee the work of VTsIOM. None of VTsIOM's sociologists were among these government appointments. Before that, VTsIOM had conducted over 1,000 polls [4].

Levada stated that the Kremlin move was aimed in part at silencing growing public opposition to the Chechen war in the election season. (In recent years, the Kremlin has employed similar legal maneuvers to take over the independent NTV, TV-6 and TVS networks.)

After VTsIOM's management was forcibly changed, Levada and some of his colleagues quit their jobs (and, moreover, the equipment and resources that they had used for 15 years) to start up a new private polling agency, which they named Analytical Service VTsIOM (or VTsIOM-A). VTsIOM-A was renamed Yuri Levada Analytical Center (or Levada-Center) in March 2004.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levada_Center


...because as you can see from even a minimum of research, the govt has consistently tried to dismantle/disrupt Levada, the latest effort being the foreign agent designation and huge fines for not registering as such, which they've done to numerous other Russian entities(examples were provided) who attempt to provide independent sources of information. Because very few Russians speak a foreign language, the Kremlin can monopolize the free flow of information by taking control of the media, which it is continually seeking to do, making it nearly impossible for the average Russian, or in your case, the less than average Russian, to understand what's going on. It's unfortunate that so many Russians prefer this to be the case.
That which can be asserted without evidence; can be dismissed without evidence- Christopher Hitchens
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