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Michael Flynn is the key to the Russia scandal — and he may have just flipped on Trump
Topic Started: Nov 24 2017, 01:01 PM (836 Views)
Robert Stout
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Nov 24 2017, 05:59 PM
Deflection, denial, counter-accusations, invective, all these provide the Trumpies with their protective exoskeleton as they cling to the fading hope of rescue from their stagnant and insecure existence. Their faith in Trump is unshakable because it is all they've got. There is no wall. There are no new jobs coming back from China, non-whites and women continue their upward march to equality while the embittered left-behinds cling to the fantasy that some thrice-married, crooked Manhattan billionaire is going to pull them up to higher status and a better standard of living. When you are holding the map upside-down, every new direction you take only makes it worse. Like their leader, they can't admit they made a mistake, so all they can do is fantasize that somehow Trump will squash Mrs. Clinton, allowing them to pay their bills and perhaps even get a new suit. Very sad
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70-101
Nov 24 2017, 07:10 PM
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Nov 24 2017, 06:58 PM
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Nov 24 2017, 06:48 PM
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Nov 24 2017, 06:16 PM
Has anyone stopped to think about this?

Flynn's lost all credibility....he got caught out and dismissed....He lied.

If it goes south for Flynn and/or his son....who's the one who could provide a pardon?.... :popcorn:
Has anyone stopped to think about the fact there's always a paper trail, bank account numbers, eyewitnesses, recorded conversations, e-mails, travel documents associated with these tales of mystery and subterfuge. Not to mention, the one who could provide a pardon thinks Flynn is as innocent as the morning dew.

Lock Them Up!
Flynn's done....he's been caught out....no doubt.

I believe the only reason he wasn't the first to be indicted was the legal standing of the FISA warrant that exposed him to investigation.

But to use him for evidence would be doubtful....due to his record of telling lies.

Flynn's likely looking for a plea deal, which would be total immunity for his son and partial immunity for himself, in exchange for evidence higher-ups were involved in all things Russia. I'm not sure Mueller will play-ball with Flynn unless he can finger Trump & others - lots of others. Flynn may be asking for too much protection for himself and Jr.

Right now, it's less than 50-50 Flynn can even work a deal with Mueller, most certainly Mueller would love Flynn's testimony but at what price?
Assuming your correct....that would depend on the value of any information Flynn could offer up....

But then it come back to the legality of the FISA warrant....No court in the US will hear evidence collected on a case started by an illegally obtained warrant....

Edited by The Inquisitor, Nov 24 2017, 07:25 PM.
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No FISA warrant is an illegal warrant, the information obtained by a FISA warrant may be covered under national security concerns - but that doesn't mean it's an illegal warrant.

The court will decide if the info found by a FISA warrant is protected. But if the intel is about the Trump administration and Russia, no court in the land will protect Trump from the truth except perhaps the Supreme Court -for partisan political reasons.

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Nov 24 2017, 07:33 PM
No FISA warrant is an illegal warrant, the information obtained by a FISA warrant may be covered under national security concerns - but that doesn't mean it's an illegal warrant.

The court will decide if the info found by a FISA warrant is protected. But if the intel is about the Trump administration and Russia, no court in the land will protect Trump from the truth except perhaps the Supreme Court -for partisan political reasons.

"No FISA warrant is an illegal warrant"?

If the information provided to the court for this FISA warrant was based on the discredited Trump Dossier....Then the warrant is null and void....Therefore illegally obtained....i.e. illegal
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Nov 24 2017, 07:17 PM
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Nov 24 2017, 05:59 PM
Deflection, denial, counter-accusations, invective, all these provide the Trumpies with their protective exoskeleton as they cling to the fading hope of rescue from their stagnant and insecure existence. Their faith in Trump is unshakable because it is all they've got. There is no wall. There are no new jobs coming back from China, non-whites and women continue their upward march to equality while the embittered left-behinds cling to the fantasy that some thrice-married, crooked Manhattan billionaire is going to pull them up to higher status and a better standard of living. When you are holding the map upside-down, every new direction you take only makes it worse. Like their leader, they can't admit they made a mistake, so all they can do is fantasize that somehow Trump will squash Mrs. Clinton, allowing them to pay their bills and perhaps even get a new suit. Very sad
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Nov 24 2017, 07:45 PM
70-101
Nov 24 2017, 07:33 PM
No FISA warrant is an illegal warrant, the information obtained by a FISA warrant may be covered under national security concerns - but that doesn't mean it's an illegal warrant.

The court will decide if the info found by a FISA warrant is protected. But if the intel is about the Trump administration and Russia, no court in the land will protect Trump from the truth except perhaps the Supreme Court -for partisan political reasons.

"No FISA warrant is an illegal warrant"?

If the information provided to the court for this FISA warrant was based on the discredited Trump Dossier....Then the warrant is null and void....Therefore illegally obtained....i.e. illegal
The Trump dossier isn’t an official document it's an intelligence community assessment made by a former MI6 agent that was funded by both Republican and Democratic political operatives. Meaning, GOP fingerprints are all over it. Republican operatives started funding the research first and Dems finished it.

Now, the GOP cries foul because it's embarrassing to Trump - with the GOP's original intent in funding the dossier in the first place was to derail Trump's candidacy. Now, its all liberals fault the dossier was even done in the first place - when the truth says otherwise.

Would the dossier be admissible as evidence in court?

Of course not - it's mostly speculation that paints a very unflattering picture of Trump- with 50% of the blame going to GOP operatives.

Besides, if the Trump Dossier is your major complaint about why the Russian investigation is fake news don't worry because there's plenty more to come.
Edited by 70-101, Nov 24 2017, 08:07 PM.
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> may


FAKE NEWS
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Flynn will be just like Manafort and Papadopoulos.. nothing burgers.. lmao :rotflmao:




Killary, DNC, Obummer's DOJ and FBI all Lied and Spied and Good People Died!
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Nov 24 2017, 07:58 PM
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Nov 24 2017, 07:45 PM
70-101
Nov 24 2017, 07:33 PM
No FISA warrant is an illegal warrant, the information obtained by a FISA warrant may be covered under national security concerns - but that doesn't mean it's an illegal warrant.

The court will decide if the info found by a FISA warrant is protected. But if the intel is about the Trump administration and Russia, no court in the land will protect Trump from the truth except perhaps the Supreme Court -for partisan political reasons.

"No FISA warrant is an illegal warrant"?

If the information provided to the court for this FISA warrant was based on the discredited Trump Dossier....Then the warrant is null and void....Therefore illegally obtained....i.e. illegal
The Trump dossier isn’t an official document it's an intelligence community assessment made by a former MI6 agent that was funded by both Republican and Democratic political operatives. Meaning, GOP fingerprints are all over it. Republican operatives started funding the research first and Dems finished it.

Now, the GOP cries foul because it's embarrassing to Trump - with the GOP's original intent in funding the dossier in the first place was to derail Trump's candidacy. Now, its all liberals fault the dossier was even done in the first place - when the truth says otherwise.

Would the dossier be admissible as evidence in court?

Of course not - it's mostly speculation that paints a very unflattering picture of Trump- with 50% of the blame going to GOP operatives.

Besides, if the Trump Dossier is your major complaint about why the Russian investigation is a fake there's plenty more to come.
"Would the dossier be admissible as evidence in court?"?

Not a chance....It has been disproved....plus it was compiled by and paid for by too many dubious characters.

There is a question in this investigation about whether this discredited Dossier was used by the FBI as a base for obtaining the FISA warrant....so far that has not been denied by the FBI....

If it was....Flynn and Son will be damn lucky and just walk free.
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Nov 24 2017, 08:15 PM
Flynn will be just like Manafort and Papadopoulos.. nothing burgers.. lmao :rotflmao:




Then why did Papadopoulos plead guilty to lying to Mueller's investigators if he's innocent, and Flynn's currently seeking a plea deal if he's innocent?

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Where was it shown that Flynn is seeking a plea deal?
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Nov 24 2017, 08:28 PM
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Nov 24 2017, 08:15 PM
Flynn will be just like Manafort and Papadopoulos.. nothing burgers.. lmao :rotflmao:




Then why did Pompadours plead guilty to lying to Mueller's investigators if he's innocent, and Flynn's currently seeking a plea deal if he's innocent?

Pompadours is a young high flyer who fell for the special investigator tactics.... :shakeshead:

Still no official status on Flynn seeking a plea deal....Your just guessing.... :oyvey
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Nov 24 2017, 08:36 PM
Where was it shown that Flynn is seeking a plea deal?
In 70s fantasy news source that tells him everything he wants to hear :)
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Nov 24 2017, 06:12 PM
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Nov 24 2017, 06:05 PM
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So far things are going pretty much as predicted. Flynn may not have flipped on Trump, but his lawyers no longer sharing information with White House lawyers certainly isn't indicative that he hasn't.<br /><br />I figure by the end of December or the beginning of January, we'll know more one way, or the other.
or maybe the December after that...
No, I don't think we're going to be waiting that long. I honestly believe that Mueller is competent enough, and not driven by ideological animus like Ken Starr was, that by the middle of next year the list of primary suspects will be some combination of cleared or prosecuted.
Is Mueller experienced and competent to perform the task he has been given? The statements made by Republicans and Democrats alike when he was named to the investigation all praised him in the highest terms. Now, let us suppose that our Trumpista colleagues are correct that there is no criminal wrong doing and no national security issue in the Russian hacks Mueller has been charged to investigate. Wouldn't it be logical for Mueller to issue a statement similar to the one made in the Clinton email business, saying there was no basis for criminal proceeding?

But Mueller has done the opposite: expanding the scope of the investigation leading up to guilty pleas and criminal indictments, and still he presses on. It is theoretically possible the Mueller is following false scents, that he is wildly spinning his wheels in a fake investigation that is going nowhere. But it isn't likely because he would ruin his reputation and his future by doing so. He might even face a criminal backlash, and such a strange, self-destructive strategy contradicts everything that everyone who knows him has said about him and it would be wildly out of keeping with his long and extensive record as an investigator. It just isn't plausible.

No, Mueller is on to something big, something that gets bigger by the week, something that goes to the highest levels of the Trump administration and keeps inching higher with every new move. Add to that the tight security around Mueller's office. The increasing flow of damning evidence that keeps turning up can't be 10% of what Mueller has on file so far. When the guillotine falls and Mueller issues his report, what chance is there that Trump will emerge unscathed? Fat, slim, or none at all?
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Nov 24 2017, 08:47 PM
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Nov 24 2017, 06:05 PM
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Nov 24 2017, 06:02 PM
So far things are going pretty much as predicted. Flynn may not have flipped on Trump, but his lawyers no longer sharing information with White House lawyers certainly isn't indicative that he hasn't.<br /><br />I figure by the end of December or the beginning of January, we'll know more one way, or the other.
or maybe the December after that...
No, I don't think we're going to be waiting that long. I honestly believe that Mueller is competent enough, and not driven by ideological animus like Ken Starr was, that by the middle of next year the list of primary suspects will be some combination of cleared or prosecuted.
Is Mueller experienced and competent to perform the task he has been given? The statements made by Republicans and Democrats alike when he was named to the investigation all praised him in the highest terms. Now, let us suppose that our Trumpista colleagues are correct that there is no criminal wrong doing and no national security issue in the Russian hacks Mueller has been charged to investigate. Wouldn't it be logical for Mueller to issue a statement similar to the one made in the Clinton email business, saying there was no basis for criminal proceeding?

But Mueller has done the opposite: expanding the scope of the investigation leading up to guilty pleas and criminal indictments, and still he presses on. It is theoretically possible the Mueller is following false scents, that he is wildly spinning his wheels in a fake investigation that is going nowhere. But it isn't likely because he would ruin his reputation and his future by doing so. He might even face a criminal backlash, and such a strange, self-destructive strategy contradicts everything that everyone who knows him has said about him and it would be wildly out of keeping with his long and extensive record as an investigator. It just isn't plausible.

No, Mueller is on to something big, something that gets bigger by the week, something that goes to the highest levels of the Trump administration and keeps inching higher with every new move. Add to that the tight security around Mueller's office. The increasing flow of damning evidence that keeps turning up can't be 10% of what Mueller has on file so far. When the guillotine falls and Mueller issues his report, what chance is there that Trump will emerge unscathed? Fat, slim, or none at all?
Mueller was present while the Uranium One deal went down.

How much you wanna bet Trump gave Mueller a plea deal ? :)
Edited by estonianman, Nov 24 2017, 08:49 PM.
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Nov 24 2017, 06:05 PM
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Nov 24 2017, 06:02 PM
So far things are going pretty much as predicted. Flynn may not have flipped on Trump, but his lawyers no longer sharing information with White House lawyers certainly isn't indicative that he hasn't.<br /><br />I figure by the end of December or the beginning of January, we'll know more one way, or the other.
or maybe the December after that...
No, I don't think we're going to be waiting that long. I honestly believe that Mueller is competent enough, and not driven by ideological animus like Ken Starr was, that by the middle of next year the list of primary suspects will be some combination of cleared or prosecuted.
Is Mueller experienced and competent to perform the task he has been given? The statements made by Republicans and Democrats alike when he was named to the investigation all praised him in the highest terms. Now, let us suppose that our Trumpista colleagues are correct that there is no criminal wrong doing and no national security issue in the Russian hacks Mueller has been charged to investigate. Wouldn't it be logical for Mueller to issue a statement similar to the one made in the Clinton email business, saying there was no basis for criminal proceeding?

But Mueller has done the opposite: expanding the scope of the investigation leading up to guilty pleas and criminal indictments, and still he presses on. It is theoretically possible the Mueller is following false scents, that he is wildly spinning his wheels in a fake investigation that is going nowhere. But it isn't likely because he would ruin his reputation and his future by doing so. He might even face a criminal backlash, and such a strange, self-destructive strategy contradicts everything that everyone who knows him has said about him and it would be wildly out of keeping with his long and extensive record as an investigator. It just isn't plausible.

No, Mueller is on to something big, something that gets bigger by the week, something that goes to the highest levels of the Trump administration and keeps inching higher with every new move. Add to that the tight security around Mueller's office. The increasing flow of damning evidence that keeps turning up can't be 10% of what Mueller has on file so far. When the guillotine falls and Mueller issues his report, what chance is there that Trump will emerge unscathed? Fat, slim, or none at all?
It's not going nowhere. He's charged Manafort and Gates on money laundering and other financial irregularities. Papadopoulus has already pled. The Flynns are next for not registering as foreign agents and more financial irregularities and Carter Page probably fits in somewhere after Flynn dimes him out. What you don't have is any of the Trumps doing anything or this election collusion stuff which you've been fapping about for 18 months. You put all your money on a nag. You lost. Accept your defeat with some grace and move on or keep fapping and see how much more ground you can lose.
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Mueller just passed wind....and a flock of screaming liberals swooped in to smell for conspiracy.... :rotflmao:
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Wikileaks said they didn't report dirt on Trump because there is no dirt............ :cheers:
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Wikileaks said they didn't report dirt on Trump because there is no dirt............ :cheers:
So far Wikileaks has been the most reliable....
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There are a handful of top guys looking at serious jail time. Mueller may be able to promise a plea deal but Trump can offer a presidential pardon. The pardon looks better on paper but it isn't clear that Trump will keep a promise to pardon because the hour he does, impeachment will begin in the House. The Trump Tower of Cards is about to come down and the guys who took a deep breath and trusted a sketchy Prez have some hard thinking to do.
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