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Michael Flynn is the key to the Russia scandal — and he may have just flipped on Trump
Topic Started: Nov 24 2017, 01:01 PM (834 Views)
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George Aligator
Nov 25 2017, 12:00 PM
There are a handful of top guys looking at serious jail time. Mueller may be able to promise a plea deal but Trump can offer a presidential pardon. The pardon looks better on paper but it isn't clear that Trump will keep a promise to pardon because the hour he does, impeachment will begin in the House. The Trump Tower of Cards is about to come down and the guys who took a deep breath and trusted a sketchy Prez have some hard thinking to do.
That is, I believe, going to ultimately be his undoing. Trump demands loyalty from those around him, but he doesn't give loyalty in return. Flynn, Manafort, and everyone else that was involved in his campaign or his administration knows this. So the scenario shifts from one where people can count on mutual loyalty in the face of outside attack to one of every man for himself. The math in the second scenario favors any sitting President much, much less than in the first.

Bottom line is that anyone who is faced with prosecution by Mueller has to decide which course is more likely to be in their best interests, having faith that if they don't flip on the President they'll receive a Presidential pardon, which will only pardon them of the federal crimes, not any state charges, or do they flip and take the deal behind the curtain that Mueller is offering?

I suspect there will be at least one or two who take the curtain.

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George Aligator
Nov 25 2017, 12:00 PM
There are a handful of top guys looking at serious jail time. Mueller may be able to promise a plea deal but Trump can offer a presidential pardon. The pardon looks better on paper but it isn't clear that Trump will keep a promise to pardon because the hour he does, impeachment will begin in the House. The Trump Tower of Cards is about to come down and the guys who took a deep breath and trusted a sketchy Prez have some hard thinking to do.
Liberals promise, "Impeachment is just around the corner"....The Constitution granted a President pardon power, not the New York Times...The House has the votes to impeach Trump when hell freezes over...Losing elections have consequences.......... :oyvey
Edited by Robert Stout, Nov 25 2017, 12:50 PM.
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Nov 25 2017, 12:49 PM
George Aligator
Nov 25 2017, 12:00 PM
There are a handful of top guys looking at serious jail time. Mueller may be able to promise a plea deal but Trump can offer a presidential pardon. The pardon looks better on paper but it isn't clear that Trump will keep a promise to pardon because the hour he does, impeachment will begin in the House. The Trump Tower of Cards is about to come down and the guys who took a deep breath and trusted a sketchy Prez have some hard thinking to do.
Liberals promise, "Impeachment is just around the corner"....The Constitution granted a President pardon power, not the New York Times...The House has the votes to impeach Trump when hell freezes over...Losing elections have consequences.......... :oyvey
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George Aligator
Nov 25 2017, 12:00 PM
There are a handful of top guys looking at serious jail time. Mueller may be able to promise a plea deal but Trump can offer a presidential pardon. The pardon looks better on paper but it isn't clear that Trump will keep a promise to pardon because the hour he does, impeachment will begin in the House. The Trump Tower of Cards is about to come down and the guys who took a deep breath and trusted a sketchy Prez have some hard thinking to do.
Your problem is they are likely democrats.

i say that as a problem because when it happens you are going to need massive amounts of pills and alcohol. :)
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Nov 25 2017, 04:10 PM
George Aligator
Nov 25 2017, 12:00 PM
There are a handful of top guys looking at serious jail time. Mueller may be able to promise a plea deal but Trump can offer a presidential pardon. The pardon looks better on paper but it isn't clear that Trump will keep a promise to pardon because the hour he does, impeachment will begin in the House. The Trump Tower of Cards is about to come down and the guys who took a deep breath and trusted a sketchy Prez have some hard thinking to do.
Your problem is they are likely democrats.

i say that as a problem because when it happens you are going to need massive amounts of pills and alcohol. :)
The problem ^^^ is criminal behavior and possible treason. It isn't my problem. I'm not a Democrat (or a Republican). Trump and his crooked goons have a problem that is about to get a lot bigger. You, Pepe and the rest of the alt-right are in for a series of nasty surprises when Justice come down.

The “alt-right’s” weird year under Trump: Rapid rise, sudden drop

https://www.salon.com/2017/11/25/the-alt-rights-weird-year-under-trump-rapid-rise-sudden-drop/
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George Aligator
Nov 25 2017, 07:00 PM
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Nov 25 2017, 04:10 PM
George Aligator
Nov 25 2017, 12:00 PM
There are a handful of top guys looking at serious jail time. Mueller may be able to promise a plea deal but Trump can offer a presidential pardon. The pardon looks better on paper but it isn't clear that Trump will keep a promise to pardon because the hour he does, impeachment will begin in the House. The Trump Tower of Cards is about to come down and the guys who took a deep breath and trusted a sketchy Prez have some hard thinking to do.
Your problem is they are likely democrats.

i say that as a problem because when it happens you are going to need massive amounts of pills and alcohol. :)
The problem ^^^ is criminal behavior and possible treason. It isn't my problem. I'm not a Democrat (or a Republican). Trump and his crooked goons have a problem that is about to get a lot bigger. You, Pepe and the rest of the alt-right are in for a series of nasty surprises when Justice come down.

The “alt-right’s” weird year under Trump: Rapid rise, sudden drop

https://www.salon.com/2017/11/25/the-alt-rights-weird-year-under-trump-rapid-rise-sudden-drop/
Fair enough George Alligator - and make no mistake, I pray for good health on your behalf.

That being said, democrats always project onto others what is most true in themselves. Flynn was appointed by Obama and is just as likely to implicate a democrat as anyone in the Trump administration. As a betting man as of late - I put my money on the former.
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"May have flipped" -- speculation.
I wouldn't be shocked if this were true, but I won't hold my breath. The "Russia scandal" is clouded in imaginings and wishful thinking. Not saying there's nothing there, but boy, there's a lot of over-reading too.
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Nov 25 2017, 07:04 PM
George Aligator
Nov 25 2017, 07:00 PM
estonianman
Nov 25 2017, 04:10 PM
George Aligator
Nov 25 2017, 12:00 PM
There are a handful of top guys looking at serious jail time. Mueller may be able to promise a plea deal but Trump can offer a presidential pardon. The pardon looks better on paper but it isn't clear that Trump will keep a promise to pardon because the hour he does, impeachment will begin in the House. The Trump Tower of Cards is about to come down and the guys who took a deep breath and trusted a sketchy Prez have some hard thinking to do.
Your problem is they are likely democrats.

i say that as a problem because when it happens you are going to need massive amounts of pills and alcohol. :)
The problem ^^^ is criminal behavior and possible treason. It isn't my problem. I'm not a Democrat (or a Republican). Trump and his crooked goons have a problem that is about to get a lot bigger. You, Pepe and the rest of the alt-right are in for a series of nasty surprises when Justice come down.

The “alt-right’s” weird year under Trump: Rapid rise, sudden drop

https://www.salon.com/2017/11/25/the-alt-rights-weird-year-under-trump-rapid-rise-sudden-drop/
Fair enough George Alligator - and make no mistake, I pray for good health on your behalf.

That being said, democrats always project onto others what is most true in themselves. Flynn was appointed by Obama and is just as likely to implicate a democrat as anyone in the Trump administration. As a betting man as of late - I put my money on the former.
Thank you for your ^^^ kind wishes. In the Flynn matter the sequence of known events is important. Flynn was appointed by Obama as director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, from July 2012 to his retirement from the military in August 2014. He established Flynn Intel Group which has provided intelligence services for businesses and governments, including ones in Turkey, after leaving both the military and the Obama administration. Flynn served as the National Security Advisor for President Donald Trump, from January 20 to February 13, 2017.

The first of Flynn's alleged misdeeds occurred after leaving DIA while running his private company. His crimes occurred when he joined the Trump administration after failing to report his past conduct and continued to operate in a private capacity while in the White House. Trump's excuse that Obama failed to vet Flynn is rubbish. Flynn had security clearance as an active duty Admiral in the U.S. Navy and was automatically eligible to head the DIA. That clearance expired when he left the service and he was required to reapply as a civilian when rejoining the federal government. That he failed to do so and then did so improperly has nothing to do with Obama's administration and is the result of gross incompetence and possibly even worse, by the Trump administration.
Edited by George Aligator, Nov 25 2017, 08:38 PM.
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Nov 25 2017, 08:36 PM
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Nov 25 2017, 07:04 PM
George Aligator
Nov 25 2017, 07:00 PM
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Nov 25 2017, 04:10 PM
George Aligator
Nov 25 2017, 12:00 PM
There are a handful of top guys looking at serious jail time. Mueller may be able to promise a plea deal but Trump can offer a presidential pardon. The pardon looks better on paper but it isn't clear that Trump will keep a promise to pardon because the hour he does, impeachment will begin in the House. The Trump Tower of Cards is about to come down and the guys who took a deep breath and trusted a sketchy Prez have some hard thinking to do.
Your problem is they are likely democrats.

i say that as a problem because when it happens you are going to need massive amounts of pills and alcohol. :)
The problem ^^^ is criminal behavior and possible treason. It isn't my problem. I'm not a Democrat (or a Republican). Trump and his crooked goons have a problem that is about to get a lot bigger. You, Pepe and the rest of the alt-right are in for a series of nasty surprises when Justice come down.

The “alt-right’s” weird year under Trump: Rapid rise, sudden drop

https://www.salon.com/2017/11/25/the-alt-rights-weird-year-under-trump-rapid-rise-sudden-drop/
Fair enough George Alligator - and make no mistake, I pray for good health on your behalf.

That being said, democrats always project onto others what is most true in themselves. Flynn was appointed by Obama and is just as likely to implicate a democrat as anyone in the Trump administration. As a betting man as of late - I put my money on the former.
Thank you for your ^^^ kind wishes. In the Flynn matter the sequence of known events is important. Fly was appointed by Obama as director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, from July 2012 to his retirement from the military in August 2014. He established Flynn Intel Group which has provided intelligence services for businesses and governments, including ones in Turkey, after leaving both the military and the Obama administration. Flynn served as the National Security Advisor for President Donald Trump, from January 20 to February 13, 2017.

The first of Flynn's alleged misdeeds occurred after leaving DIA while running his private company. His crimes occurred when he joined the Trump administration after failing to report his past conduct and continued to operate in a private capacity while in the White House. Trump's excuse that Obama failed to vet Flynn is rubbish. Flynn had security clearance as an active duty Admiral in the U.S. Navy and was automatically eligible to head the DIA. That clearance expired when he left the service and he was required to reapply as a civilian when rejoining the federal government. That he failed to do so and then did so improperly has nothing to do with Obama's administration and is the result of gross incompetence and possibly even worse, by the Trump administration.
And the cow jumped over the moon which caused Humpty Dumpty to fall off the wall.... :rotflmao:

All you've got so far is wishful thinking and an over active imagination.... :oyvey
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nNeo
Nov 25 2017, 07:15 PM
"May have flipped" -- speculation.
I wouldn't be shocked if this were true, but I won't hold my breath. The "Russia scandal" is clouded in imaginings and wishful thinking. Not saying there's nothing there, but boy, there's a lot of over-reading too.
We should be clear that this news is not definitive proof that Flynn is cooperating with Mueller. It may mean only that he is in the process of negotiating a deal to avoid prosecution, and that deal might or might not involve giving information on other figures in the investigation.

The left lug nuts hope, wish, and pray for more. Their second great disappointment, the first being Ma Barker's trouncing during the last election, will be this going nowhere Russia scandal.
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Nov 25 2017, 08:43 PM
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The problem ^^^ is criminal behavior and possible treason. It isn't my problem. I'm not a Democrat (or a Republican). Trump and his crooked goons have a problem that is about to get a lot bigger. You, Pepe and the rest of the alt-right are in for a series of nasty surprises when Justice come down.

The “alt-right’s” weird year under Trump: Rapid rise, sudden drop

https://www.salon.com/2017/11/25/the-alt-rights-weird-year-under-trump-rapid-rise-sudden-drop/
Fair enough George Alligator - and make no mistake, I pray for good health on your behalf.

That being said, democrats always project onto others what is most true in themselves. Flynn was appointed by Obama and is just as likely to implicate a democrat as anyone in the Trump administration. As a betting man as of late - I put my money on the former.
Thank you for your ^^^ kind wishes. In the Flynn matter the sequence of known events is important. Fly was appointed by Obama as director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, from July 2012 to his retirement from the military in August 2014. He established Flynn Intel Group which has provided intelligence services for businesses and governments, including ones in Turkey, after leaving both the military and the Obama administration. Flynn served as the National Security Advisor for President Donald Trump, from January 20 to February 13, 2017.

The first of Flynn's alleged misdeeds occurred after leaving DIA while running his private company. His crimes occurred when he joined the Trump administration after failing to report his past conduct and continued to operate in a private capacity while in the White House. Trump's excuse that Obama failed to vet Flynn is rubbish. Flynn had security clearance as an active duty Admiral in the U.S. Navy and was automatically eligible to head the DIA. That clearance expired when he left the service and he was required to reapply as a civilian when rejoining the federal government. That he failed to do so and then did so improperly has nothing to do with Obama's administration and is the result of gross incompetence and possibly even worse, by the Trump administration.
And the cow jumped over the moon which caused Humpty Dumpty to fall off the wall.... :rotflmao:

All you've got so far is wishful thinking and an over active imagination.... :oyvey
Well, besides wishful thinking I've got concrete refutation ^^^ of the absurd nonsense alleged by a certain purple poster that the Flynn scandal was all Obama's fault. l didn't even have to mention that Obama fired Flynn when news of his private consulting activities surfaced and then warned Trump about the sketchy activities. Trump ignored Obama's advice, made Flynn his NSA and even kept him on the job after the top gal at DoS went to the WH to warn that Flynn was compromised by the Russians. Trump is either a Russian spy or incredibly stupid. Either one is an impeachable offense.
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estonianman
Nov 25 2017, 07:04 PM
George Aligator
Nov 25 2017, 07:00 PM
estonianman
Nov 25 2017, 04:10 PM
George Aligator
Nov 25 2017, 12:00 PM
There are a handful of top guys looking at serious jail time. Mueller may be able to promise a plea deal but Trump can offer a presidential pardon. The pardon looks better on paper but it isn't clear that Trump will keep a promise to pardon because the hour he does, impeachment will begin in the House. The Trump Tower of Cards is about to come down and the guys who took a deep breath and trusted a sketchy Prez have some hard thinking to do.
Your problem is they are likely democrats.

i say that as a problem because when it happens you are going to need massive amounts of pills and alcohol. :)
The problem ^^^ is criminal behavior and possible treason. It isn't my problem. I'm not a Democrat (or a Republican). Trump and his crooked goons have a problem that is about to get a lot bigger. You, Pepe and the rest of the alt-right are in for a series of nasty surprises when Justice come down.

The “alt-right’s” weird year under Trump: Rapid rise, sudden drop

https://www.salon.com/2017/11/25/the-alt-rights-weird-year-under-trump-rapid-rise-sudden-drop/
Fair enough George Alligator - and make no mistake, I pray for good health on your behalf.

That being said, democrats always project onto others what is most true in themselves. Flynn was appointed by Obama and is just as likely to implicate a democrat as anyone in the Trump administration. As a betting man as of late - I put my money on the former.
Marxists have nothing to fear from these investigations....There are no Marxist public officials and they are unlikely to win in the mid-terms......... :dunno:
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George Aligator
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There are a handful of top guys looking at serious jail time. Mueller may be able to promise a plea deal but Trump can offer a presidential pardon. The pardon looks better on paper but it isn't clear that Trump will keep a promise to pardon because the hour he does, impeachment will begin in the House. The Trump Tower of Cards is about to come down and the guys who took a deep breath and trusted a sketchy Prez have some hard thinking to do.
Liberals promise, "Impeachment is just around the corner"....The Constitution granted a President pardon power, not the New York Times...The House has the votes to impeach Trump when hell freezes over...Losing elections have consequences.......... :oyvey
garbled ^^^ nonsense
Four separate issues you are unable to respond to.......... :)
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George Aligator
Nov 25 2017, 03:59 PM
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George Aligator
Nov 25 2017, 12:00 PM
There are a handful of top guys looking at serious jail time. Mueller may be able to promise a plea deal but Trump can offer a presidential pardon. The pardon looks better on paper but it isn't clear that Trump will keep a promise to pardon because the hour he does, impeachment will begin in the House. The Trump Tower of Cards is about to come down and the guys who took a deep breath and trusted a sketchy Prez have some hard thinking to do.
Liberals promise, "Impeachment is just around the corner"....The Constitution granted a President pardon power, not the New York Times...The House has the votes to impeach Trump when hell freezes over...Losing elections have consequences.......... :oyvey
garbled ^^^ nonsense
Four separate issues you are unable to respond to.......... :)
None of your "issues" ^^^ have to do with the OP.
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even Democrats are getting tired of their bs.... :)
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