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Why Trump Stands by Roy Moore, Even as It Fractures His Party; the imperative that an unpopular president faces to retain his political base
Topic Started: Nov 26 2017, 11:14 AM (346 Views)
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By the time Senator Mitch McConnell, the majority leader, made the last of his repeated pleas to President Trump to keep his distance from the Senate candidacy of Roy S. Moore, it was too late.

To Mr. McConnell, only the president could extinguish a fire that he sees as endangering Republicans’ Senate majority. But Mr. Trump, speaking by phone last Tuesday with Mr. McConnell, responded with the same argument he had been making for days inside the White House.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/25/us/politics/trump-roy-moore-mcconnell-alabama-senate.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
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Watching the GOP implode is both shocking and hilarious at the same time. I haven't had this level of political entertainment since Ford pardoned Nixon. Which is now painfully obvious the GOP has long forgotten about. Bring on the mid-terms!


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Nov 26 2017, 12:29 PM
Watching the GOP implode is both shocking and hilarious at the same time. I haven't had this level of political entertainment since Ford pardoned Nixon. Which is now painfully obvious the GOP has long forgotten about. Bring on the mid-terms!


I can appreciate your ^^^ enthusiasm; however, I find myself thinking that the collapse of the Republican Party must, inevitably, bring about the collapse of the Democratic Party. Our two-party system is not a zero-sum game; it is more of an oligarchical conspiracy. It is entirely possible, of course, that the upcoming crisis will restore democratic principles and reform our dysfunctional government; alas, not everything that springs from ruins is benign, so good times are far from assured.
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watching alt-left continually meltdown is becoming a pastime for Us regular Americans.. :rotflmao: and Trump gets it right! McConnell does not once again!



Nelson Story Busted: Liberal Media Fails to Report the Truth

https://www.roymoore.org/Press-Releases/127/Nelson-Story-Busted


Rhonda Ledbetter, a retired public school teacher who is currently the senior choir director at a Baptist church and teaches children at a local, church-sponsored day care center, was a waitress at Olde Hickory House for almost three years from 1977-1979. She was a college student at Jacksonville State University at the time and worked varying shifts at different times of day, multiple days a week during the time of her employment. She said in a statement: “When I heard Beverly Nelson’s story, there were several details that were different from what I remember. I was nervous at coming forward because of all the attention this story has gotten, but as a moral and ethical person I had to speak up about what I know to be true. I was a waitress at Olde Hickory for almost three years from 1977-1979, and I never saw Roy Moore come in to the restaurant. Not one time. And I would have noticed because most of our customers weren’t wearing suits, especially not at night. Many customers worked at Goodyear next door and would stop in on their way to and from work, and I don’t remember anyone from the courthouse coming in at all. That just wasn’t our crowd.

"A few things stuck out to me. First, Nelson said she was 15 years old when she started working there but you had to be 16. I don’t remember her from my time there, and I don’t remember any 15 year olds working there at all.

"Second, Nelson said the restaurant closed at 10 p.m. but I know the earliest it closed was 11, though I believe it was midnight. I’m certain of that because Goodyear employees came in to eat after their shift ended at 10:00 p.m., so there’s no way we would have closed at that time.

"Third, the area wasn’t dark and isolated as she described. Rather, the building was right off the busy four-lane highway and people and cars were always around. The restaurant had a wrap-around porch, like the ones at Cracker Barrel restaurants, and there were lights all around the sides of the building. So it wasn’t dark and anyone in the parking lot was visible from the road.

"Fourth, the dumpsters were to the side of the building, not around back and there sure wasn’t room to park in between the building and the dumpsters. People from the kitchen would take trash out of the side door and throw it right into the dumpsters. We were always told to park on the side of the building, because there just wasn’t much room behind it. I don’t remember there being an exit from the back of the parking lot, there would barely have been enough room to turn a car around.


Johnny Belyeu, Sr. is a former police officer with over two decades of experience with the Etowah County Sheriff’s Department and the Gadsden Police Department. He said in a statement, “I was an officer with the Etowah County Sheriff’s Department in the 1970s which means I worked in the courthouse and knew who Roy Moore was since he was the Deputy District Attorney at the time. I was a regular customer at Olde Hickory House, and I never once saw Judge Moore come in there. If he had I would have immediately recognized him. I also never met Beverly Nelson during any of the many times I frequented the restaurant, and I can’t say that she even worked there.”

Renee Schivera of Huntsville, Alabama stated, “I was a waitress at the Olde Hickory House during the summer of 1977, before my senior year of high school. When I heard Beverly Nelson’s story the first thing that stuck out to me was that I don’t remember Roy Moore ever coming into the restaurant. I also don’t remember her working there. The other thing that struck me as odd is that from my best recollection, the dumpsters were to the side of the building. I just know they were visible from the road, and not back behind the building. But the main thing is that if someone came in almost every night we knew who there were, and I never saw Roy Moore there. As a Christian woman, I wouldn’t lie for anyone and I am only sharing what I know because it’s the truth.”





EXCLUSIVE: Ex-Boyfriend of Roy Moore Accuser: I Don’t Believe Her

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/11/20/exclusive-ex-boyfriend-of-roy-moore-accuser-i-dont-believe-her/








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Nov 26 2017, 12:39 PM
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Nov 26 2017, 12:29 PM
Watching the GOP implode is both shocking and hilarious at the same time. I haven't had this level of political entertainment since Ford pardoned Nixon. Which is now painfully obvious the GOP has long forgotten about. Bring on the mid-terms!


I can appreciate your ^^^ enthusiasm; however, I find myself thinking that the collapse of the Republican Party must, inevitably, bring about the collapse of the Democratic Party. Our two-party system is not a zero-sum game; it is more of an oligarchical conspiracy. It is entirely possible, of course, that the upcoming crisis will restore democratic principles and reform our dysfunctional government; alas, not everything that springs from ruins is benign, so good times are far from assured.
No doubt, our nation is divided politically, culturally and morally. Trump and his handlers in Moscow see this as an opportunity to weaken America's resolve and it's standing around the world without firing a shot.

But our generations been through crisis before - and we came out better, smarter, and more Democratic than ever. America has woken up to the dangers the Trump administrations allegiance with Moscow represents and will act accordingly next November.

But make no mistake, dangers remain, but they'll soon be dealt with in the courts and in ballot boxes all over America starting next November.
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Gator, you've got this wrong. Trump isn't sabotaging his party by defending Moore- he's setting it up for success. Bear with me.

McConnell has been pretty openly condemning Moore. Most Republicans have. By my count, every Senate Republican has condemned Moore but Cruz and Rand Paul, and Paul's probably still too high on painkillers to know what color the sky is. McConnell is openly exploring his options for throwing Moore out of the Senate. So, what happens if Moore wins?

McConnell gets an opportunity to prove to the American people that the GOP cares more about stopping sexual assault and child molestation than the Democrats, because he will have kicked a man out of the Senate for this s**t while the likes of Al Franken get a pass.
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^ That's pretty optimistic.
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Nov 26 2017, 12:29 PM
Bring on the mid-terms!


I really don't think you want that to happen ....
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McConnell should shut his face...He is unable to run the Senate, let alone our President....McConnell is the definition of "wimp"......... :tongue:
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Nov 26 2017, 02:20 PM
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Nov 26 2017, 12:29 PM
Bring on the mid-terms!


I really don't think you want that to happen ....
Neither does the GOPe....

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Nov 26 2017, 02:08 PM
^ That's pretty optimistic.
Maybe, but it doesn't hurt me to hope for the best. I'd like to think McConnell will do the right thing. I *know* that Democrats will do the wrong thing with Franken, Menendez, and Conyers.
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Nov 27 2017, 12:31 AM
RaiderNation
Nov 26 2017, 02:08 PM
^ That's pretty optimistic.
Maybe, but it doesn't hurt me to hope for the best. I'd like to think McConnell will do the right thing. I *know* that Democrats will do the wrong thing with Franken, Menendez, and Conyers.
It would be the right thing if McConnell steps down as majority leader........... :love:
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Nov 27 2017, 02:26 AM
EmperorNortonII
Nov 27 2017, 12:31 AM
RaiderNation
Nov 26 2017, 02:08 PM
^ That's pretty optimistic.
Maybe, but it doesn't hurt me to hope for the best. I'd like to think McConnell will do the right thing. I *know* that Democrats will do the wrong thing with Franken, Menendez, and Conyers.
It would be the right thing if McConnell steps down as majority leader........... :love:
Maybe he will if we can find 3 other turtles for him to fight crime with.
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So, the right thing is for the Congressional Democrats who have been accused of sexual harassment to resign, but not the President who has also been accused?
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Nov 27 2017, 01:41 PM
So, the right thing is for the Congressional Democrats who have been accused of sexual harassment to resign, but not the President who has also been accused?
If y'all are wanting to pursue impeachment in 2018 over it, you can. You will, however, be lambasted as hypocrites if you *don't* purge those folks from your ranks. Between Trump and Clinton, neither party has a moral high ground on combating rape and sexual assault and sexual harassment and child molestation (both Bill and Donald are friends of Jeffry Epstein). Claiming that high ground requires sacrifice. Yes, the right thing for Congressional Democrats is to do the right thing and force out their Al Frankens and John Conyers.
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The flamboyant hypocrisy and outrageous sexual abuses of the President and significant numbers of members of Congress will have one profound result for sure: a dramatic increase in the number of successful women candidates. This shift, bringing the percent of women in Congress up to European levels, could have far more long-reaching effects than the fetid squalor of Viagra-crazed political hacks. I hope so at least...
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Nov 27 2017, 01:41 PM
So, the right thing is for the Congressional Democrats who have been accused of sexual harassment to resign, but not the President who has also been accused?
If the Congressional Democrats that have been accused of sexual harassment were to resign, then the Democrats could legitimately demand likewise from perverted Republicans.
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Nov 27 2017, 01:58 PM
The flamboyant hypocrisy and outrageous sexual abuses of the President and significant numbers of members of Congress will have one profound result for sure: a dramatic increase in the number of successful women candidates. This shift, bringing the percent of women in Congress up to European levels, could have far more long-reaching effects than the fetid squalor of Viagra-crazed political hacks. I hope so at least...
Yeap, this sexual harassment thing has all the women I know, really fired up, and ready to throw some bums out of office.
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Nov 27 2017, 02:13 PM
Opinionated
Nov 27 2017, 01:41 PM
So, the right thing is for the Congressional Democrats who have been accused of sexual harassment to resign, but not the President who has also been accused?
If the Congressional Democrats that have been accused of sexual harassment were to resign, then the Democrats could legitimately demand likewise from perverted Republicans.
Fair point, but somehow I'm not seeing Donald Trump agreeing to resign regardless of how many women accuse him of sexual harassment. And I sure don't see Roy Moore stepping back from his campaign.
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George Aligator
Nov 27 2017, 01:58 PM
The flamboyant hypocrisy and outrageous sexual abuses of the President and significant numbers of members of Congress will have one profound result for sure: a dramatic increase in the number of successful women candidates. This shift, bringing the percent of women in Congress up to European levels, could have far more long-reaching effects than the fetid squalor of Viagra-crazed political hacks. I hope so at least...
The President is unique...As a billionaire with a really, really big private jet he has been sexually harassed most of his life....Although Congressmen are attractive to women, Trump has been gorgeous............. :)
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