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Why Trump Stands by Roy Moore, Even as It Fractures His Party; the imperative that an unpopular president faces to retain his political base
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Topic Started: Nov 26 2017, 11:14 AM (344 Views)
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estonianman
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Nov 27 2017, 04:39 PM
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Unlike Conyers and Franken, no real evidence exists that Moore sexually assaulted anyone
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Nov 27 2017, 04:54 PM
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So, the right thing is for the Congressional Democrats who have been accused of sexual harassment to resign, but not the President who has also been accused?
If the Congressional Democrats that have been accused of sexual harassment were to resign, then the Democrats could legitimately demand likewise from perverted Republicans.
Fair point, but somehow I'm not seeing Donald Trump agreeing to resign regardless of how many women accuse him of sexual harassment. And I sure don't see Roy Moore stepping back from his campaign. With all of these guys, it's trial by popular culture, which isn't inherently fair. It's not like there's some sort of scorecard, where we rate a person's behavior in percentage points, and base our actions on some fixed level of acceptable perversion.
You've seen how conservatives were somewhat quiet about Roy Moore, until the Al Franken claims came about. It doesn't matter if the alleged wrongdoings were of a different level of morality (i.e. unwanted sexual advances toward a 14 year old compared to unwanted sexual advances toward a playboy playmate), it's a simple matter of "do you believe the accuser or the accused", and is this person good or evil.
If Franken gets off the hook, when why shouldn't anybody else get off the hook, including Moore or Trump? (That's a simplistic way of looking at it, but the great unwashed masses out there are incapable of seeing much difference).
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George Aligator
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Nov 27 2017, 05:24 PM
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Just a day ago, Trump was "standing by" Moore. Now, it turns out he isn't going to campaign for him. The Republican Senate has opposed the grabby ex-judge and is in no mood to have Trump out on the stump campaigning for a child molester. Trump has put his party into total disarray. He may still win the vote of convent school girls who can't pay their kids' medical bills but that is about all that is left of the MAGA-maniacs.
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Nov 27 2017, 05:29 PM
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So, the right thing is for the Congressional Democrats who have been accused of sexual harassment to resign, but not the President who has also been accused?
If the Congressional Democrats that have been accused of sexual harassment were to resign, then the Democrats could legitimately demand likewise from perverted Republicans.
Fair point, but somehow I'm not seeing Donald Trump agreeing to resign regardless of how many women accuse him of sexual harassment. And I sure don't see Roy Moore stepping back from his campaign.
With all of these guys, it's trial by popular culture, which isn't inherently fair. It's not like there's some sort of scorecard, where we rate a person's behavior in percentage points, and base our actions on some fixed level of acceptable perversion. You've seen how conservatives were somewhat quiet about Roy Moore, until the Al Franken claims came about. It doesn't matter if the alleged wrongdoings were of a different level of morality (i.e. unwanted sexual advances toward a 14 year old compared to unwanted sexual advances toward a playboy playmate), it's a simple matter of "do you believe the accuser or the accused", and is this person good or evil. If Franken gets off the hook, when why shouldn't anybody else get off the hook, including Moore or Trump? (That's a simplistic way of looking at it, but the great unwashed masses out there are incapable of seeing much difference). You present a valid argument. My thought is, however, that even if Franken and Conyers did resign, I'm not seeing either Trump or Moore following suit. Would it strengthen the Democratic moral high ground position? Sure, but that and $1.50 will get you a cup of coffee.
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Robert Stout
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Nov 27 2017, 11:18 PM
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So, the right thing is for the Congressional Democrats who have been accused of sexual harassment to resign, but not the President who has also been accused?
If the Congressional Democrats that have been accused of sexual harassment were to resign, then the Democrats could legitimately demand likewise from perverted Republicans.
Fair point, but somehow I'm not seeing Donald Trump agreeing to resign regardless of how many women accuse him of sexual harassment. And I sure don't see Roy Moore stepping back from his campaign.
With all of these guys, it's trial by popular culture, which isn't inherently fair. It's not like there's some sort of scorecard, where we rate a person's behavior in percentage points, and base our actions on some fixed level of acceptable perversion. You've seen how conservatives were somewhat quiet about Roy Moore, until the Al Franken claims came about. It doesn't matter if the alleged wrongdoings were of a different level of morality (i.e. unwanted sexual advances toward a 14 year old compared to unwanted sexual advances toward a playboy playmate), it's a simple matter of "do you believe the accuser or the accused", and is this person good or evil. If Franken gets off the hook, when why shouldn't anybody else get off the hook, including Moore or Trump? (That's a simplistic way of looking at it, but the great unwashed masses out there are incapable of seeing much difference).
You present a valid argument. My thought is, however, that even if Franken and Conyers did resign, I'm not seeing either Trump or Moore following suit. Would it strengthen the Democratic moral high ground position? Sure, but that and $1.50 will get you a cup of coffee. Trump and Moore are free of photos, legal judgments and settlements, and stained dresses....Your horny Democrats are not fairing as well...........
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George Aligator
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Nov 28 2017, 12:22 PM
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It is rather childish to view this cultural crisis spreading across the entertainment industry, the media and the government as a contest or even as a competition. In electoral terms, this seismic shift in voter attitudes is less a zero-sum game between two political parties than a change in national standards for public figures. It is a harbinger of an expanded role for women as voters and office-holders, a change already seen in the recent Virginia election. Things will settle down before the 2018 vote, but things will not be the same.
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Nov 28 2017, 02:51 PM
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It is rather childish to view this cultural crisis spreading across the entertainment industry, the media and the government as a contest or even as a competition. In electoral terms, this seismic shift in voter attitudes is less a zero-sum game between two political parties than a change in national standards for public figures. It is a harbinger of an expanded role for women as voters and office-holders, a change already seen in the recent Virginia election. Things will settle down before the 2018 vote, but things will not be the same. Right. Left-wing Congressmen like Franken and Conyers will be given a free pass to prey on women while Republicans will be attacked for s**t that happened 40 years ago.... *that* sure is a change.
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Nov 28 2017, 04:01 PM
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So, the right thing is for the Congressional Democrats who have been accused of sexual harassment to resign, but not the President who has also been accused?
If the Congressional Democrats that have been accused of sexual harassment were to resign, then the Democrats could legitimately demand likewise from perverted Republicans.
Fair point, but somehow I'm not seeing Donald Trump agreeing to resign regardless of how many women accuse him of sexual harassment. And I sure don't see Roy Moore stepping back from his campaign.
With all of these guys, it's trial by popular culture, which isn't inherently fair. It's not like there's some sort of scorecard, where we rate a person's behavior in percentage points, and base our actions on some fixed level of acceptable perversion. You've seen how conservatives were somewhat quiet about Roy Moore, until the Al Franken claims came about. It doesn't matter if the alleged wrongdoings were of a different level of morality (i.e. unwanted sexual advances toward a 14 year old compared to unwanted sexual advances toward a playboy playmate), it's a simple matter of "do you believe the accuser or the accused", and is this person good or evil. If Franken gets off the hook, when why shouldn't anybody else get off the hook, including Moore or Trump? (That's a simplistic way of looking at it, but the great unwashed masses out there are incapable of seeing much difference).
You present a valid argument. My thought is, however, that even if Franken and Conyers did resign, I'm not seeing either Trump or Moore following suit. Would it strengthen the Democratic moral high ground position? Sure, but that and $1.50 will get you a cup of coffee. Unless they are under indictment, I feel this is something left to the voters to decide
If Trump is to be removed from office, it should be either related to his recent criminal activity, or his being deemed mentally unfit to hold office, via the 25th amendment
Same with Roy Moore. If the Alabama voters prefer a child molestor, it will be on them
Same with Conyers and Franken
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