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Concealed Guns in 50 States Are One Step Closer to Being Legal
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Topic Started: Nov 30 2017, 03:52 AM (353 Views)
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So much for State's Rights.
We always knew it was a Republican scam.
2nd amendment of the US Constitution
That ^^^ beloved Amendment refers specifically to militia, which is a function of state government and for the past century has been represented by the state National Guard. Even though the recent loonies on SCOTUS have come up with the rather strained notion that the amendment allows private arms for home protection, there is no disputing that the original intent of the amendment is aimed at the right of state governments vis-a-vis the new federal authority. This basic context provides strong basis for the legal claim that the amendment cannot be used to allow gun-toting loons from out-of-state to come up here and wave around their shootin' irons. The Second Amendment is a states' rights guarantee, one of several in the Bill of Rights. It is sad to see the gun nuts trying to toss states' rights overboard. The Militia is the people.
Unless you think the 2nd Amendment was for the Government/Military?
The militia is not "the people". The people is "the mob." The institution of the colonial militia was well established and had been in operation here in New England for for 150 years when the Constitution was ratified. What the militia consisted of and how it was controlled was long-established law. If you don't know the history of early America, grab a book a read it. So you're saying the 2nd Amendment takes the right away from the People to not own guns and Somehow the Military and Police and the Government needed the Amendment to protect their right to own and bear arms? :oyvey
That is freaking genus
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Nov 30 2017, 10:14 PM
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Quoting limited to 5 levels deep US Constitution
That ^^^ beloved Amendment refers specifically to militia, which is a function of state government and for the past century has been represented by the state National Guard. Even though the recent loonies on SCOTUS have come up with the rather strained notion that the amendment allows private arms for home protection, there is no disputing that the original intent of the amendment is aimed at the right of state governments vis-a-vis the new federal authority. This basic context provides strong basis for the legal claim that the amendment cannot be used to allow gun-toting loons from out-of-state to come up here and wave around their shootin' irons. The Second Amendment is a states' rights guarantee, one of several in the Bill of Rights. It is sad to see the gun nuts trying to toss states' rights overboard. The Militia is the people.
Unless you think the 2nd Amendment was for the Government/Military?
The militia is not "the people". The people is "the mob." The institution of the colonial militia was well established and had been in operation here in New England for for 150 years when the Constitution was ratified. What the militia consisted of and how it was controlled was long-established law. If you don't know the history of early America, grab a book a read it. So you're saying the 2nd Amendment takes the right away from the People to not own guns and Somehow the Military and Police and the Government needed the Amendment to protect their right to own and bear arms? :oyvey That is freaking genus Aligator is better at milking cows and clipping bond coupons...........
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Nov 30 2017, 11:51 PM
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I have a concealed carry permit in my state!
Glock 32 357 sig Glock 19 9mm Raven holster Corbon
I would be proud to carry in Coast2Coast state!
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I have a concealed carry permit in my state!
Glock 32 357 sig Glock 19 9mm Raven holster Corbon
I would be proud to carry in Coast2Coast state! What no 10mm Glock?
What are you afraid of the recoil? And don't tell me the 357Sig has plenty of recoil, I own two Sig's chambered in 357Sig, a 2340 and a 229, and it's a pussycat round-basically, a 9mm on steroids. Stick with 40SW or 10 mm and walk with the high caliber guys.
A 9mm Glock 19 is a girls gun. :oyvey
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Dec 1 2017, 01:42 AM
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I have a concealed carry permit in my state!
Glock 32 357 sig Glock 19 9mm Raven holster Corbon
I would be proud to carry in Coast2Coast state! If you need it to feel like a man then have at it.
This aberration if it passes won't last so you better get out here soon and drop your tourist dollars while you can still carry the essence of your manhood in a holster across State lines.
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Robert Stout
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Dec 1 2017, 06:34 AM
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I have a concealed carry permit in my state!
Glock 32 357 sig Glock 19 9mm Raven holster Corbon
I would be proud to carry in Coast2Coast state!
If you need it to feel like a man then have at it. This aberration if it passes won't last so you better get out here soon and drop your tourist dollars while you can still carry the essence of your manhood in a holster across State lines. I admit that handguns are also phallic symbols....That is why liberals find them to be so icky...........
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Dec 1 2017, 09:48 AM
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Quoting limited to 5 levels deep US Constitution
That ^^^ beloved Amendment refers specifically to militia, which is a function of state government and for the past century has been represented by the state National Guard. Even though the recent loonies on SCOTUS have come up with the rather strained notion that the amendment allows private arms for home protection, there is no disputing that the original intent of the amendment is aimed at the right of state governments vis-a-vis the new federal authority. This basic context provides strong basis for the legal claim that the amendment cannot be used to allow gun-toting loons from out-of-state to come up here and wave around their shootin' irons. The Second Amendment is a states' rights guarantee, one of several in the Bill of Rights. It is sad to see the gun nuts trying to toss states' rights overboard. The Militia is the people.
Unless you think the 2nd Amendment was for the Government/Military?
The militia is not "the people". The people is "the mob." The institution of the colonial militia was well established and had been in operation here in New England for for 150 years when the Constitution was ratified. What the militia consisted of and how it was controlled was long-established law. If you don't know the history of early America, grab a book a read it. So you're saying the 2nd Amendment takes the right away from the People to not own guns and Somehow the Military and Police and the Government needed the Amendment to protect their right to own and bear arms? :oyvey That is freaking genus Of course I'm not saying that ^^^ my dyslexic amigo. The Second Amendment doesn't take away any rights from anybody. What I did say is that your statement that the militia is the people is simply wrong and absurd. And it is. Your tired old trick of creating a distorted paraphrase of what a poster says and then knocking down the straw man you have made became stale many years ago.
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Dec 1 2017, 10:56 AM
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The Militia is the people.
Unless you think the 2nd Amendment was for the Government/Military?
The militia is not "the people". The people is "the mob." The institution of the colonial militia was well established and had been in operation here in New England for for 150 years when the Constitution was ratified. What the militia consisted of and how it was controlled was long-established law. If you don't know the history of early America, grab a book a read it. So you're saying the 2nd Amendment takes the right away from the People to not own guns and Somehow the Military and Police and the Government needed the Amendment to protect their right to own and bear arms? :oyvey That is freaking genus
Of course I'm not saying that ^^^ my dyslexic amigo. The Second Amendment doesn't take away any rights from anybody. What I did say is that your statement that the militia is the people is simply wrong and absurd. And it is. Your tired old trick of creating a distorted paraphrase of what a poster says and then knocking down the straw man you have made became stale many years ago. Again, you're saying the 2nd amendment was put there to protect the right of the government to keep and bear arms (the Military).
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I have a concealed carry permit in my state!
Glock 32 357 sig Glock 19 9mm Raven holster Corbon
I would be proud to carry in Coast2Coast state!
If you need it to feel like a man then have at it. This aberration if it passes won't last so you better get out here soon and drop your tourist dollars while you can still carry the essence of your manhood in a holster across State lines.
I admit that handguns are also phallic symbols....That is why liberals find them to be so icky........... Liberals find conservatives irresponsible actions surrounding firearms in this country objectionable.
And we notice how mobile, conservatives so called 'core values" are.
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Quoting limited to 5 levels deep USThe Militia is the people.
Unless you think the 2nd Amendment was for the Government/Military?
The militia is not "the people". The people is "the mob." The institution of the colonial militia was well established and had been in operation here in New England for for 150 years when the Constitution was ratified. What the militia consisted of and how it was controlled was long-established law. If you don't know the history of early America, grab a book a read it. So you're saying the 2nd Amendment takes the right away from the People to not own guns and Somehow the Military and Police and the Government needed the Amendment to protect their right to own and bear arms? :oyvey That is freaking genus
Of course I'm not saying that ^^^ my dyslexic amigo. The Second Amendment doesn't take away any rights from anybody. What I did say is that your statement that the militia is the people is simply wrong and absurd. And it is. Your tired old trick of creating a distorted paraphrase of what a poster says and then knocking down the straw man you have made became stale many years ago. Again, you're saying the 2nd amendment was put there to protect the right of the government to keep and bear arms (the Military). I'll try and dumb it ^^^ down for you: The Second Amendment specifically mentions the state militia; however, SCOTUS has ruled that in granting citizens the right to keep and bear arms, the amendment does not apply exclusively to militia service and the citizens may keep guns for personal safety etc. without regard to militia service etc. Got it?
The legal question under discussion, and the stupid comment made by my colleague, is whether the right to concealed carry given by one state must be honored by other states even if they do not have such concealed carry laws. This would, in effect, allow one state to overrule another in the matter of gun rights. If my state gives me the right to carry a gun and I take the gun into your state where such concealed carry is illegal, the federal statute would require your state to submit to the authority of my state in the matter of my gun, even when I am in your state, not mine. That's the issue.
A troll posted that the militia mentioned in the II Amendment was simply "the people." I responded that "the people" in 18th century America was not synonymous with "the militia" which was an official organization of colonial government. So far, so good. I said that, at the time, the closest word to "the People" would be "the mob."
Mob was a new word back then, coined to describe the unofficial crowds of citizens, most of whom did not have the right to vote back in those days, which began to protest spontaneously in cities in Europe and America. The mob played a vital part in the French Revolution and in events like the Boston Massacre and has been extensively studied by modern historians. Our troll friend simply didn't know what he was talking about.
This is more than a vocabulary quibble. Our Constitution was presented as a document by "We, the People" at a time when the vast number of people in the country did not have the right to vote. The idea of a sovereign "People" was new and radical at the time, much favored by French thinkers like Rousseau and his American fans like Jefferson. It was not favored by most of the ruling class and certainly was not incorporated into the new government of the United States.
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Quoting limited to 5 levels deep USThe Militia is the people.
Unless you think the 2nd Amendment was for the Government/Military? So you're saying the 2nd Amendment takes the right away from the People to not own guns and Somehow the Military and Police and the Government needed the Amendment to protect their right to own and bear arms? :oyvey That is freaking genus
Of course I'm not saying that ^^^ my dyslexic amigo. The Second Amendment doesn't take away any rights from anybody. What I did say is that your statement that the militia is the people is simply wrong and absurd. And it is. Your tired old trick of creating a distorted paraphrase of what a poster says and then knocking down the straw man you have made became stale many years ago. Again, you're saying the 2nd amendment was put there to protect the right of the government to keep and bear arms (the Military).
I'll try and dumb it ^^^ down for you: The Second Amendment specifically mentions the state militia; however, SCOTUS has ruled that in granting citizens the right to keep and bear arms, the amendment does not apply exclusively to militia service and the citizens may keep guns for personal safety etc. without regard to militia service etc. Got it? The legal question under discussion, and the stupid comment made by my colleague, is whether the right to concealed carry given by one state must be honored by other states even if they do not have such concealed carry laws. This would, in effect, allow one state to overrule another in the matter of gun rights. If my state gives me the right to carry a gun and I take the gun into your state where such concealed carry is illegal, the federal statute would require your state to submit to the authority of my state in the matter of my gun, even when I am in your state, not mine. That's the issue. A troll posted that the militia mentioned in the II Amendment was simply "the people." I responded that "the people" in 18th century America was not synonymous with "the militia" which was an official organization of colonial government. So far, so good. I said that, at the time, the closest word to "the People" would be "the mob." Mob was a new word back then, coined to describe the unofficial crowds of citizens, most of whom did not have the right to vote back in those days, which began to protest spontaneously in cities in Europe and America. The mob played a vital part in the French Revolution and in events like the Boston Massacre and has been extensively studied by modern historians. Our troll friend simply didn't know what he was talking about. This is more than a vocabulary quibble. Our Constitution was presented as a document by "We, the People" at a time when the vast number of people in the country did not have the right to vote. The idea of a sovereign "People" was new and radical at the time, much favored by French thinkers like Rousseau and his American fans like Jefferson. It was not favored by most of the ruling class and certainly was not incorporated into the new government of the United States. It never occurred to the founders that there would one day be liberal sickos trying to impose gun control laws on citizens.............
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Quoting limited to 5 levels deep USThe Militia is the people.
Unless you think the 2nd Amendment was for the Government/Military? So you're saying the 2nd Amendment takes the right away from the People to not own guns and Somehow the Military and Police and the Government needed the Amendment to protect their right to own and bear arms? :oyvey That is freaking genus
Of course I'm not saying that ^^^ my dyslexic amigo. The Second Amendment doesn't take away any rights from anybody. What I did say is that your statement that the militia is the people is simply wrong and absurd. And it is. Your tired old trick of creating a distorted paraphrase of what a poster says and then knocking down the straw man you have made became stale many years ago. Again, you're saying the 2nd amendment was put there to protect the right of the government to keep and bear arms (the Military).
I'll try and dumb it ^^^ down for you: The Second Amendment specifically mentions the state militia; however, SCOTUS has ruled that in granting citizens the right to keep and bear arms, the amendment does not apply exclusively to militia service and the citizens may keep guns for personal safety etc. without regard to militia service etc. Got it? The legal question under discussion, and the stupid comment made by my colleague, is whether the right to concealed carry given by one state must be honored by other states even if they do not have such concealed carry laws. This would, in effect, allow one state to overrule another in the matter of gun rights. If my state gives me the right to carry a gun and I take the gun into your state where such concealed carry is illegal, the federal statute would require your state to submit to the authority of my state in the matter of my gun, even when I am in your state, not mine. That's the issue. A troll posted that the militia mentioned in the II Amendment was simply "the people." I responded that "the people" in 18th century America was not synonymous with "the militia" which was an official organization of colonial government. So far, so good. I said that, at the time, the closest word to "the People" would be "the mob." Mob was a new word back then, coined to describe the unofficial crowds of citizens, most of whom did not have the right to vote back in those days, which began to protest spontaneously in cities in Europe and America. The mob played a vital part in the French Revolution and in events like the Boston Massacre and has been extensively studied by modern historians. Our troll friend simply didn't know what he was talking about. This is more than a vocabulary quibble. Our Constitution was presented as a document by "We, the People" at a time when the vast number of people in the country did not have the right to vote. The idea of a sovereign "People" was new and radical at the time, much favored by French thinkers like Rousseau and his American fans like Jefferson. It was not favored by most of the ruling class and certainly was not incorporated into the new government of the United States.
It never occurred to the founders that there would one day be liberal sickos trying to impose gun control laws on citizens............. As usual, ^^^ bogus history. Gun control laws were first passed in the South after the Civil War as part of the Jim Crow laws. They restricted gun ownership to whites. The folks passing those laws would not be considered "liberals".
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Quoting limited to 5 levels deep USThe Militia is the people.
Unless you think the 2nd Amendment was for the Government/Military? So you're saying the 2nd Amendment takes the right away from the People to not own guns and Somehow the Military and Police and the Government needed the Amendment to protect their right to own and bear arms? :oyvey That is freaking genus Again, you're saying the 2nd amendment was put there to protect the right of the government to keep and bear arms (the Military).
I'll try and dumb it ^^^ down for you: The Second Amendment specifically mentions the state militia; however, SCOTUS has ruled that in granting citizens the right to keep and bear arms, the amendment does not apply exclusively to militia service and the citizens may keep guns for personal safety etc. without regard to militia service etc. Got it? The legal question under discussion, and the stupid comment made by my colleague, is whether the right to concealed carry given by one state must be honored by other states even if they do not have such concealed carry laws. This would, in effect, allow one state to overrule another in the matter of gun rights. If my state gives me the right to carry a gun and I take the gun into your state where such concealed carry is illegal, the federal statute would require your state to submit to the authority of my state in the matter of my gun, even when I am in your state, not mine. That's the issue. A troll posted that the militia mentioned in the II Amendment was simply "the people." I responded that "the people" in 18th century America was not synonymous with "the militia" which was an official organization of colonial government. So far, so good. I said that, at the time, the closest word to "the People" would be "the mob." Mob was a new word back then, coined to describe the unofficial crowds of citizens, most of whom did not have the right to vote back in those days, which began to protest spontaneously in cities in Europe and America. The mob played a vital part in the French Revolution and in events like the Boston Massacre and has been extensively studied by modern historians. Our troll friend simply didn't know what he was talking about. This is more than a vocabulary quibble. Our Constitution was presented as a document by "We, the People" at a time when the vast number of people in the country did not have the right to vote. The idea of a sovereign "People" was new and radical at the time, much favored by French thinkers like Rousseau and his American fans like Jefferson. It was not favored by most of the ruling class and certainly was not incorporated into the new government of the United States.
It never occurred to the founders that there would one day be liberal sickos trying to impose gun control laws on citizens.............
As usual, ^^^ bogus history. Gun control laws were first passed in the South after the Civil War as part of the Jim Crow laws. They restricted gun ownership to whites. The folks passing those laws would not be considered "liberals". That would be a beneficial law today..........
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I have a concealed carry permit in my state!
Glock 32 357 sig Glock 19 9mm Raven holster Corbon
I would be proud to carry in Coast2Coast state!
If you need it to feel like a man then have at it. This aberration if it passes won't last so you better get out here soon and drop your tourist dollars while you can still carry the essence of your manhood in a holster across State lines.
I admit that handguns are also phallic symbols....That is why liberals find them to be so icky...........
Liberals find conservatives irresponsible actions surrounding firearms in this country objectionable. And we notice how mobile, conservatives so called 'core values" are.
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So much for State's Rights.
We always knew it was a Republican scam.
2nd amendment of the US Constitution
That ^^^ beloved Amendment refers specifically to militia, which is a function of state government and for the past century has been represented by the state National Guard. Even though the recent loonies on SCOTUS have come up with the rather strained notion that the amendment allows private arms for home protection, there is no disputing that the original intent of the amendment is aimed at the right of state governments vis-a-vis the new federal authority. This basic context provides strong basis for the legal claim that the amendment cannot be used to allow gun-toting loons from out-of-state to come up here and wave around their shootin' irons. The Second Amendment is a states' rights guarantee, one of several in the Bill of Rights. It is sad to see the gun nuts trying to toss states' rights overboard. The Militia is the people.
Unless you think the 2nd Amendment was for the Government/Military? It is a "well regulated" militia which morphed into the National Guard. It is not an "everyone with a gun" mentality. The 2nd amendment does not say anything about a concealed gun right.
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