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The world congratulates the 100-year-old Finland by lighting up in blue and white
Topic Started: Dec 5 2017, 03:06 PM (655 Views)
jar
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http://valtioneuvosto.fi/en/article/-/asset_publisher/10616/maailma-onnittelee-satavuotiasta-suomea-sinivalkoisin-juhlavalaisuin

Almost 30 countries and 50 sites

The world congratulates the 100-year-old Finland by lighting up in blue and white
Finland’s 100 years of independence is celebrated this week with blue-and-white light shows across Finland and in almost 30 countries around the world. The excitement has been gathering pace up to the last minute, and 50 iconic venues and buildings across the globe will be illuminated with blue and white lights in honour of Finland’s centenary of independence.

The centenary of Finland’s independence culminates on Finland’s Independence Day, 6 December 2017. It is the most significant commemorative year for this generation of Finns. The Finns’ enthusiasm to mark the country’s 100th birthday with blue-and-white light shows has also spread across the world. Over the next few days, there will be blue-and-white light shows at 50 sites in a total of almost 30 countries. News about new venues for the light shows has been coming in up to the last minute.
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Also, the largest production in Luminous Finland 100 series of light art is created on Saana fell to honor Finland's Centennial. This is the first time anyone has done anything like this anywhere in the world. The area to be lit consists of 2,5 million square metres.
Saana artwork is the first one in the history that can be seen from three different countries: people in Finland, Sweden, and Norway are able to enjoy the piece


https://www.karjalainen.fi/media/k2/items/cache/02c92fdf5b6dc23780f3fb275cd57918_XL.jpg
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnRHSLqvR84

:)


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Dec 5 2017, 11:11 PM
If you want to agree with the person
- who doesn't believe in Evolution theory
- is hailing the neo-nazi groups which marched also yesterday in Helsinki
- is in the The Basic Finns party, which dispersed into two separate parties earlier this year while being on the government (the first time ever in the 100 years of independent Finnish political history)
- is in the The Basic Finns party, which got kicked out the government, majorly because of their uber-nationalistic values and clear human hatred towards many other people, and the remaining members (just a handful), who established a new party which IS still in the government but who then started to receive even some death threats and other harassment from The Basic Finns members
- who's speeches The Northern Resistance group (which wants to destroy Finland, Sweden and Norway as independent states and replace those with their own rules based on nazi ideologies) uses in their own propaganda but she refuses to take any responsibility of those. (Finnish Interior Ministry just declared the The Northern Resistance group as illegal, the first time in Finnish history since 1944, when another uber-nationalistic political group was declared illegal)

then I can see which type of person you are as well in your values, and which doesn't come as a surprise even from the posts I remember from the last decade. :)

Do you want to take any responsibility of your post?


Edited by jar, Dec 7 2017, 01:23 PM.
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How about 22 y/o Findland...... :cool:

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Jar, did Finns thank Russia for independence of Finland?
What was the first state who recognized you? :)
Goood morning GULAG!!!
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Dec 8 2017, 08:02 AM
Jar, did Finns thank Russia for independence of Finland?
What was the first state who recognized you? :)
It was mostly Lenin, who had the most influence on the decision, when the local social democratic party convinced him that socialistic revolution would become easier to achieve also here. Didn't work out that way, did it? :)
The Whites beat The Reds in the 1918 civil war.

And BTW, Russian Committee officially confirmed the declaration on the same day as Sweden, France and Germany, although that declaration was published by the Committee 5 days earlier, a few minutes before the New Year.

So, just and just barely the first (don't know the exact hours of each declaration on Jan 4th). :)
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Whatever, it's a historic fact.
Not only Soviet Russia was the first to acknowledge your independence but it was the one who voluntarilly granted this independance to Finland. And how did Finland thanked Soviet Russia?
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Officially, the war on Soviet Russia was declared by the bourgeois government of Finland on May 15, 1918 [1] after the defeat of the Finnish Socialist Workers' Republic . The first Soviet-Finnish war is regarded as part of the Civil War in Russia and the Foreign Military Intervention in the North of Russia .

It ended on October 14, 1920, with the signing of the Tartu Peace Treaty between the RSFSR and Finland , which fixed a number of territorial concessions on the part of Soviet Russia .
https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&nv=1&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%25D0%259F%25D0%25B5%25D1%2580%25D0%25B2%25D0%25B0%25D1%258F_%25D1%2581%25D0%25BE%25D0%25B2%25D0%25B5%25D1%2582%25D1%2581%25D0%25BA%25D0%25BE-%25D1%2584%25D0%25B8%25D0%25BD%25D1%2581%25D0%25BA%25D0%25B0%25D1%258F_%25D0%25B2%25D0%25BE%25D0%25B9%25D0%25BD%25D0%25B0&usg=ALkJrhhGU3UYk4jSKInO2rhgypknYJD_KQ

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So, the "Winter war" was nothing but returning Russian lands to Russia. After Finland rejected proposal to exchange a small (Former Russian) territory adjacent to Leningrad and vital for its defence against Hitler for twice a bigger piece of Russian territory...

Let alone real independence was established in 1809 when Russia liberated Finland from Sweden and granted it so wide an autonomy which no region in present Europe enjoys... Itvwas not even an autonomy, it was rather a protectorate, you had own citizenship, government, own army, own currency. Your solfiers were not participating in wars Russia led, you enjoyed peace, protection and good governance - and it is 1/2 of the basus of presrnt prosperity of Finland. The second 1/2 is neutral status and numerous trade priviliges USSR granted to Finland during the cold war.

You at all exust onlybthsnks to Russians, under Sweedes your were uneducated firty peasant, all urban population, towns, literature, science, education, culture were Swedidsh. Russisns developed you, gave you education, only since mid 19 tg century educated Finns appeared at all... We raised you with special care and numerous priviliges to maje you prodperous - and such is your gratitude.
Either in 2918 or now.
And some funny and crazy Finnish nazi lectures me how to live... :)
We don't have another Russia to take care of us as we did of Finland... :)


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Goood morning GULAG!!!
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I shoukd stop typing while driving a car... :)

anyway, Jar , Finland most probably was an autonomy which enjoyed the best conditions someone ever enjoyed on Earth...
the closest equivalent to Russia-Ginland relations within Russian empire I see now is present UK - Australia... It is also formaly headed by the British queen and is almost as independent as Finland was between 1809 -1917
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and Jar, I suppise you prefer to hide not to acknowledge Russian superiority in the field I described? :)
http://perspectives.com/topic/10302054/5/#new
Just tell me you do, I will not chase you and maybe will not even mention it to you, maybe only when you start whining on understsnding human life :)
Edited by Siberian, Dec 8 2017, 03:17 PM.
Goood morning GULAG!!!
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.....#WORLD NEWSDECEMBER 13, 2017 / 10:22 AM / 2 DAYS AGO

Presidential hopeful wants Finland out of EU, says nationalists will bounce back


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HELSINKI (Reuters) - Finland will leave the European Union and position itself as the Switzerland of the north to protect its independence if Laura Huhtasaari, the presidential candidate of the eurosceptic Finns Party has her way.
She also told Reuters in an interview she wants to tighten immigration rules.

Huhtasaari -- dubbed “Finland’s Marine Le Pen” after France’s National Front leader -- is a long-shot. But she believes she has a real chance in the January election as her party has taken a fresh start following its removal from the coalition government in June.

”The rise in Europe of parties that are critical towards the EU and immigration is due to bad, unjust politics,“ she said. ”The role for Finland in the euro zone is the role of a loser and payer...

“I do not want Finland to become a province of EU, Finns must stand up for Finland’s interests.”


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-finland-eurosceptics/presidential-hopeful-wants-finland-out-of-eu-says-nationalists-will-bounce-back-idUSKBN1E722V


:nana: :hooray: :box: :nana:


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I don't think Jar will vote for her............. :rotflmao:
Jesus can raise the dead, but he can't fix stupid
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Dec 8 2017, 03:16 PM
and Jar, I suppise you prefer to hide not to acknowledge Russian superiority in the field I described? :)
http://perspectives.com/topic/10302054/5/#new
Just tell me you do, I will not chase you and maybe will not even mention it to you, maybe only when you start whining on understsnding human life :)
As your identity as a human being living now in 2017 AD seems to be closely related to the events happened about 100 years ago,
with you clinging on to the nationalistic feelings at that time, when the entire concept of nationalism (as an ism) had already been discovered by Europeans,
you have a personal problem at hand.

You can publish the Soviet/Russian versions of the history as much as you like, which are based on non-democratic values and which cannot stand the criticism of what
democratical values allow. The reality of the world today in Finland is that this country is bilingual, and the second official language is still Swedish, not Russian, which the events between 1809-1917 did not change. Majorly, all the names of places and streets etc have Finnish name first and then Swedish below. Especially in the western coast is some places, Swedish names are on the top. In Lapland areas, there are also names of places/streets etc in Sami language, in addition to Finnish and Swedish, in some places Sami on the top (but may not include Swedish). Near the eastern border, yes, signs can also include Russian language.

The following concept has also been part of Finnish life before I ever existed in this planet: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_Passport_Union

It is your problem that Russian culture and language never came accepted as official part in the political and majorly social life.
Russian culture cannot withstand the criticism allowed by democratical values unless it allows also the possibility of destroying itself.
In the constant battle of values, democracy can result to destroying itself by allowing people to vote people who can take advantage of democratical principles but after gaining
enough power, can destroy those priciples with their true values.

Like Putin said and did not say just a couple of days ago, Russian opposition can not be allowed to exist because it would destroy the country. This is what I've been
saying all the time: Russia, like the SU, is not a country which can be controlled by democratical values. It can only exist as large as it is by non-democratic and violent ruling where human rights have lower value than the system itself allows.
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Dec 15 2017, 12:04 AM
.....#WORLD NEWSDECEMBER 13, 2017 / 10:22 AM / 2 DAYS AGO

Presidential hopeful wants Finland out of EU, says nationalists will bounce back


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HELSINKI (Reuters) - Finland will leave the European Union and position itself as the Switzerland of the north to protect its independence if Laura Huhtasaari, the presidential candidate of the eurosceptic Finns Party has her way.
She also told Reuters in an interview she wants to tighten immigration rules.

Huhtasaari -- dubbed “Finland’s Marine Le Pen” after France’s National Front leader -- is a long-shot. But she believes she has a real chance in the January election as her party has taken a fresh start following its removal from the coalition government in June.

”The rise in Europe of parties that are critical towards the EU and immigration is due to bad, unjust politics,“ she said. ”The role for Finland in the euro zone is the role of a loser and payer...

“I do not want Finland to become a province of EU, Finns must stand up for Finland’s interests.”


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-finland-eurosceptics/presidential-hopeful-wants-finland-out-of-eu-says-nationalists-will-bounce-back-idUSKBN1E722V


:nana: :hooray: :box: :nana:


Mozart
And the real concept of Switzerland is, that it is has 4 official languages and is a federal system but includes the direct democracy.
This is something which such uber-nationalists never can admit to themselves but only take this "direct democracy" as an extremely narrow-minded weapon to push their extremely narrow-minded ideals and values in reality.
Edited by jar, Dec 16 2017, 05:31 AM.
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jar
Dec 7 2017, 01:23 PM
W A Mozart
Dec 5 2017, 11:11 PM
If you want to agree with the person
- who doesn't believe in Evolution theory
- is hailing the neo-nazi groups which marched also yesterday in Helsinki
- is in the The Basic Finns party, which dispersed into two separate parties earlier this year while being on the government (the first time ever in the 100 years of independent Finnish political history)
- is in the The Basic Finns party, which got kicked out the government, majorly because of their uber-nationalistic values and clear human hatred towards many other people, and the remaining members (just a handful), who established a new party which IS still in the government but who then started to receive even some death threats and other harassment from The Basic Finns members
- who's speeches The Northern Resistance group (which wants to destroy Finland, Sweden and Norway as independent states and replace those with their own rules based on nazi ideologies) uses in their own propaganda but she refuses to take any responsibility of those. (Finnish Interior Ministry just declared the The Northern Resistance group as illegal, the first time in Finnish history since 1944, when another uber-nationalistic political group was declared illegal)

then I can see which type of person you are as well in your values, and which doesn't come as a surprise even from the posts I remember from the last decade. :)

Do you want to take any responsibility of your post?


Yeah, well, that's Mozzie for you - instead posting "congrats" he prefers to peddle neo-nazi videos. *Sigh!*

Our Finnish (magazine) contributor died on Monday. Marianne Lindahl. Fantastic woman, and a very sad loss - my condolences to her family and friends.

So, I take this opportunity to congratulate you on your country's birthday and honour this dear lady here.

Cheers
Hughmac
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Dec 16 2017, 05:39 AM
jar
Dec 7 2017, 01:23 PM
W A Mozart
Dec 5 2017, 11:11 PM
If you want to agree with the person
- who doesn't believe in Evolution theory
- is hailing the neo-nazi groups which marched also yesterday in Helsinki
- is in the The Basic Finns party, which dispersed into two separate parties earlier this year while being on the government (the first time ever in the 100 years of independent Finnish political history)
- is in the The Basic Finns party, which got kicked out the government, majorly because of their uber-nationalistic values and clear human hatred towards many other people, and the remaining members (just a handful), who established a new party which IS still in the government but who then started to receive even some death threats and other harassment from The Basic Finns members
- who's speeches The Northern Resistance group (which wants to destroy Finland, Sweden and Norway as independent states and replace those with their own rules based on nazi ideologies) uses in their own propaganda but she refuses to take any responsibility of those. (Finnish Interior Ministry just declared the The Northern Resistance group as illegal, the first time in Finnish history since 1944, when another uber-nationalistic political group was declared illegal)

then I can see which type of person you are as well in your values, and which doesn't come as a surprise even from the posts I remember from the last decade. :)

Do you want to take any responsibility of your post?


Yeah, well, that's Mozzie for you - instead posting "congrats" he prefers to peddle neo-nazi videos. *Sigh!*

Our Finnish (magazine) contributor died on Monday. Marianne Lindahl. Fantastic woman, and a very sad loss - my condolences to her family and friends.

So, I take this opportunity to congratulate you on your country's birthday and honour this dear lady here.

Cheers
Hughmac
Some thoughts here:

Conflating the death of a Finnish colleague with the rise of Finnish nationalism, and somehow discerning a real connection, is weird. Also, using the term "neo-Nazi" for any politician or group to the right of your own political views, is weird. Half of Europe is tired of having Nazi thrown into their face at every turn. There are no jackboots clicking on the cobble stones in Europe, and there are no Jews being rounded-up and led to the train stations.

Furthermore, most of Finland, except for Jar, is appalled at the incredible numbers of immigrants being dumped on Finland from the bureaucratic hallways of Brussels. Now, if you're suggesting that we should round-up said Euro-Brussels bureaucrats, and lead them to the train stations, most clear-thinking Europeans might be tempted.....

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HELSINKI — In absolute terms, the number of migrants coming to Finland isn’t striking. But the sharp increase in recent years is, and it is helping fuel an unusually divisive debate over identity in this northeastern outpost of the EU.

Earlier this week, these disputes burst out into the political open. Finland’s Prime Minister Juha Sipilä, who once offered to put up refugees in his own home, threatened to break up the government when one of his coalition partner parties — The Finns — put in charge a hardline anti-immigration leader.

“There is no basis for continuing cooperation with The Finns,” he said on Twitter. After a brief stand-off, The Finns — the far-right party which is Finland’s third-biggest political force — imploded and 20 of its more moderate MPs left to form the “New Alternative” movement which will continue to prop up Sipilä’s government.

For Sipilä, who has run the country since 2015, the coalition between his Center Party, the National Coalition Party and The Finns became untenable when The Finns elected the right-wing blogger-turned MP and MEP Jussi Halla-aho on Saturday. He replaced Timo Soini, who stepped down after 20 years as leader of The Finns; the party’s new leader has a much more hardline stance on refugees.

The prime minister acknowledges that the sharp rise in the number of refugee arrivals has prompted a debate in Finnish society.

“The amount of asylum seekers in 2015 was about 10 times what we normally have here. And it has been quite a challenge for the society,” Sipilä said in an interview in his official residence in Helsinki. “We have a special program for integration and I think that, in general, it works well. But there have been some incidents and some debates also in Finland on that field.”

https://www.politico.eu/article/finland-juha-sipila-keeps-hardline-nationalist-true-finns-at-arms-length/

Mozart

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Dec 17 2017, 04:10 AM
Hughmac
Dec 16 2017, 05:39 AM
jar
Dec 7 2017, 01:23 PM
W A Mozart
Dec 5 2017, 11:11 PM
If you want to agree with the person
- who doesn't believe in Evolution theory
- is hailing the neo-nazi groups which marched also yesterday in Helsinki
- is in the The Basic Finns party, which dispersed into two separate parties earlier this year while being on the government (the first time ever in the 100 years of independent Finnish political history)
- is in the The Basic Finns party, which got kicked out the government, majorly because of their uber-nationalistic values and clear human hatred towards many other people, and the remaining members (just a handful), who established a new party which IS still in the government but who then started to receive even some death threats and other harassment from The Basic Finns members
- who's speeches The Northern Resistance group (which wants to destroy Finland, Sweden and Norway as independent states and replace those with their own rules based on nazi ideologies) uses in their own propaganda but she refuses to take any responsibility of those. (Finnish Interior Ministry just declared the The Northern Resistance group as illegal, the first time in Finnish history since 1944, when another uber-nationalistic political group was declared illegal)

then I can see which type of person you are as well in your values, and which doesn't come as a surprise even from the posts I remember from the last decade. :)

Do you want to take any responsibility of your post?


Yeah, well, that's Mozzie for you - instead posting "congrats" he prefers to peddle neo-nazi videos. *Sigh!*

Our Finnish (magazine) contributor died on Monday. Marianne Lindahl. Fantastic woman, and a very sad loss - my condolences to her family and friends.

So, I take this opportunity to congratulate you on your country's birthday and honour this dear lady here.

Cheers
Hughmac
Some thoughts here:

Conflating the death of a Finnish colleague with the rise of Finnish nationalism, and somehow discerning a real connection, is weird. Also, using the term "neo-Nazi" for any politician or group to the right of your own political views, is weird. Half of Europe is tired of having Nazi thrown into their face at every turn. There are no jackboots clicking on the cobble stones in Europe, and there are no Jews being rounded-up and led to the train stations.

Furthermore, most of Finland, except for Jar, is appalled at the incredible numbers of immigrants being dumped on Finland from the bureaucratic hallways of Brussels. Now, if you're suggesting that we should round-up said Euro-Brussels bureaucrats, and lead them to the train stations, most clear-thinking Europeans might be tempted.....

Quote:
 
HELSINKI — In absolute terms, the number of migrants coming to Finland isn’t striking. But the sharp increase in recent years is, and it is helping fuel an unusually divisive debate over identity in this northeastern outpost of the EU.

Earlier this week, these disputes burst out into the political open. Finland’s Prime Minister Juha Sipilä, who once offered to put up refugees in his own home, threatened to break up the government when one of his coalition partner parties — The Finns — put in charge a hardline anti-immigration leader.

“There is no basis for continuing cooperation with The Finns,” he said on Twitter. After a brief stand-off, The Finns — the far-right party which is Finland’s third-biggest political force — imploded and 20 of its more moderate MPs left to form the “New Alternative” movement which will continue to prop up Sipilä’s government.

For Sipilä, who has run the country since 2015, the coalition between his Center Party, the National Coalition Party and The Finns became untenable when The Finns elected the right-wing blogger-turned MP and MEP Jussi Halla-aho on Saturday. He replaced Timo Soini, who stepped down after 20 years as leader of The Finns; the party’s new leader has a much more hardline stance on refugees.

The prime minister acknowledges that the sharp rise in the number of refugee arrivals has prompted a debate in Finnish society.

“The amount of asylum seekers in 2015 was about 10 times what we normally have here. And it has been quite a challenge for the society,” Sipilä said in an interview in his official residence in Helsinki. “We have a special program for integration and I think that, in general, it works well. But there have been some incidents and some debates also in Finland on that field.”

https://www.politico.eu/article/finland-juha-sipila-keeps-hardline-nationalist-true-finns-at-arms-length/

Mozart

You can choose your choice of little pieces of news which support your extremely nationalistic based values of the world.
Nationalism as a value is a European discovery, as I've stated many times in this forum as well, and well accepted as a fact in the history of humanity.

You're expressing your values as if they are the simple truth of humanity and of us human beings and the known world itself. That's the very basic of your values: simplicity over the reality of the complexities of human life and the world. That's the basics of nationalism: Simplicity over complexity of life itself.

When a human being has difficulties in life, it is far more easy and simple to blame any other ones rather than looking at your own life and how could "I" as a person change myself
in order to overcome the difficulties. That's the very basic "caveman" and animal behaviour approach to survival, which are what you are referring to when talking about nationalistic views and values.
Nationalism is still a very new discovery of us human cultures, just a few hundreds of years old, but it has its remnants with the survival of yourself when an individual does not have the capabilities to understand more than seeing anyone "foreign" as a threat, where "foreign" can mean even the neighbour family or a neighbour clan etc.



One of my very close family members (in his mid 50's), who has been now unemployed for about 1½ years (after working for 33 years for the same originally government based employer, mostly still owned by the Finnish goverment, and after climbing up the ladder from the bottom to different positions as a manager, logistics designer...), has also shown severe mental problems with his life itself and has been blaming all others (government, foreigners, migrants etc= for his "situation" and he's not accepting any help from others trying to help him to accept and deal with the situation . He's a typical supporter of these very "Basic Finns", not capable of dealing with realities of life itself. I reckon he will die of alcoholism... :(


We have an oncoming presidential selection coming next month. This Laura Huhtasaari have these solutions to every single problem: Nationalistic values of "home, religion and fatherland", withdraw from the EU, bring back Finnish mark as a currency. Well, what then if we would have that situation in the world today? They don't have the capability to ponder that situation taking into consideration the realities of the modern world. Simplicity is their only capability in life itself.
Democratical values allow The Basic Finns to exist but it is a well known reality that if they would be have the power in the goverment, the basics of democracy and its values would be discarded very soon and be replaced by dictatorship, as has happened before in the human history.


I live in the real world of modern life, accepting that globalism is not going to go away as the technologies us "westerners" have discovered, produced, advanced and have spread around the globe.
I accept that climate change can bring about a new wave of migration not seen since WW2 in Europe, not only because of local political and religion based wars in the Middle-East, Asia and Africa.

Extreme Islamic views will not be the destruction of Western Civilization but rather how we westeners react to it (including the different realities for possible mass migrations) and how we can keep the democracy alive from the likely raise of the internal non-democratical political movements existing in the western world, as those same movements have already destroyed democratical values in the history of us human beings as well.

Mozart, keep wearing those diapers. The US currently has a president who should wear those as well, being mentally somewhat ill.
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Finland: Police investigate gay politician once again for posting about Islam

Sebastian Tynkkynen (FB) is a Finnish politician who has been at the forefront in creating awareness about Islamization in Finland.

He had been investigated earlier by a heavily politicized Finnish police department over his Facebook postings in August of 2016, and went to trial almost exactly a year ago today, and was eventually found guilty of “hate speech”. Today, Sebastian asks the same question concerning this investigation as he did in his closing statements at his trial: ”How else can one write about Islam…?”

The text simply reads: “Terrorism knows no religion. If you don’t count Islam”



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Dec 16 2017, 05:21 AM
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Dec 8 2017, 03:16 PM
and Jar, I suppise you prefer to hide not to acknowledge Russian superiority in the field I described? :)
http://perspectives.com/topic/10302054/5/#new
Just tell me you do, I will not chase you and maybe will not even mention it to you, maybe only when you start whining on understsnding human life :)
As your identity as a human being living now in 2017 AD seems to be closely related to the events happened about 100 years ago,
with you clinging on to the nationalistic feelings at that time, when the entire concept of nationalism (as an ism) had already been discovered by Europeans,
you have a personal problem at hand.

You can publish the Soviet/Russian versions of the history as much as you like, which are based on non-democratic values and which cannot stand the criticism of what
democratical values allow. The reality of the world today in Finland is that this country is bilingual, and the second official language is still Swedish, not Russian, which the events between 1809-1917 did not change. Majorly, all the names of places and streets etc have Finnish name first and then Swedish below. Especially in the western coast is some places, Swedish names are on the top. In Lapland areas, there are also names of places/streets etc in Sami language, in addition to Finnish and Swedish, in some places Sami on the top (but may not include Swedish). Near the eastern border, yes, signs can also include Russian language.

The following concept has also been part of Finnish life before I ever existed in this planet: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_Passport_Union

It is your problem that Russian culture and language never came accepted as official part in the political and majorly social life.
Russian culture cannot withstand the criticism allowed by democratical values unless it allows also the possibility of destroying itself.
In the constant battle of values, democracy can result to destroying itself by allowing people to vote people who can take advantage of democratical principles but after gaining
enough power, can destroy those priciples with their true values.

Like Putin said and did not say just a couple of days ago, Russian opposition can not be allowed to exist because it would destroy the country. This is what I've been
saying all the time: Russia, like the SU, is not a country which can be controlled by democratical values. It can only exist as large as it is by non-democratic and violent ruling where human rights have lower value than the system itself allows.
Jar, regarding Finland I can blame Russian Tsars for only one thing - we tought illiterate Finns how to read but either did not or failed to teach you to understand what you read.. :)
I mentioned numerous and outstanding, literally unprecedented privileges Finland had in Russia, which I doubt anyone else in the World ever had as an autonomy, even now in "democratic" EU - own citizenship, own currency, own army, own government, own parliament, own taxes spent entirely in Finland
Huge investments into development, external protection, efforts to educate illiterate dirty forest savages which Finns were while Swedes constituted the civilized part of Finland and only gradually, thanks to enormous Russian efforts Finns were driven to civilization by Russia, finally established some sort of own literature in own language - which Democratic Swedes had not bothered themselves with during Swedish rule.

And now, after Finland is what it is mostly thanks to Russia - such is your gratitude.
Even more - we created you, we developed you - and you dare to try to teach us how to live :)
While you are not a sustainable creature, depend entirely on the will of foreign countries, mostly Russia, whose feeding hand you bite...

What you say - bilingual Finnish/Swedish plates are nithing but another sign of how soft, caring, generous and altruistic Russia was.
All Russia wanted from Finland is to be a peaceful neutral buffer state from Western agression of Sweden, which was constantly invading Russia for decades until Peter the Great finally defeated it in Poltava (in present Ukraine) battle thus ultimately putting the end to Swedish ambitions as European Great power... :)

And now Finns seem to forget lessons of history and want to become a battlefield, siding with our agressive enemies :)

As for your shining European values - suppression of reedom of press is one of it , like complete ban on Russian press in Moldova :)


https://sputniknews.com/europe/201801111060666715-russia-moldova-law-tv-broadcasting-radio-ban/

Edited by Siberian, Jan 12 2018, 02:54 AM.
Goood morning GULAG!!!
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