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The world congratulates the 100-year-old Finland by lighting up in blue and white
Topic Started: Dec 5 2017, 03:06 PM (703 Views)
W A Mozart
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I'm with her........ :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ok41VrpB3kc&t=6s

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Edited by W A Mozart, Jan 21 2018, 03:34 AM.
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Jan 21 2018, 03:33 AM
Would Jar kick her out of bed because she has nationalistic views ????............... :dunno:
Jesus can raise the dead, but he can't fix stupid
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Jar, with such level adequacy and craziness I explain your existence only by greenhouse conditions and excessive care Russian empire kept you in for centuries...
Otherwise you would have not passed the exam of natural selection...
Stop attributing to Russia your weird views and ideas, it has nothing to do with reality.
Goood morning GULAG!!!
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Jan 21 2018, 06:34 AM
W A Mozart
Jan 21 2018, 03:33 AM
Would Jar kick her out of bed because she has nationalistic views ????............... :dunno:
Nope, it's part of democracy to have and accept these views.

Learning from the history of us humans, democracy can be destroyed by allowing such isms as nationalism to grow too much support, as it has a great tendency to become too authoritarian and incite enormous hatred towards some other people by simplification of humanity, defined by the authoritarian rulers and their values who their want to blame for major problems.

I'd say by electing Mr. Trump in the US, you have set yourself to a very dangerous path, and together with the lack of multiple political parties having a solid base in the history of the US, the country is not considered any longer any kind of "beacon of democracy".
There's a lot of ambition in Europe with the discovery and spread of the EU (as known today) to take this responsibility again how this planet should evolve with the complexities of human made cultures, with new values which the US doesn't have enough experience of (as it's still a side affect of European history :) ).

For the next president of the US, I'm not so sure if that person can actually make a difference for the path the US has gone through since 9/11.
9/11 was just a rat's fart compared to European history.
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Siberian
Jan 21 2018, 09:50 AM
Jar, with such level adequacy and craziness I explain your existence only by greenhouse conditions and excessive care Russian empire kept you in for centuries...
Otherwise you would have not passed the exam of natural selection...
Stop attributing to Russia your weird views and ideas, it has nothing to do with reality.
Current Russian reality of itself and its self-created enemies as fake as this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKvg0iM6hXo :tongue:

BTW, there are evidence published in Russian TV (http://www.5-tv.ru/news/179869/) how the ongoing Finnish presidential elections are translated to fit the Kremlin propaganda when one of the candidates is interviewed.
The article in Finnish is too long to be translated here but as you understand English and Russia, maybe you can spot those differences how the "translation" to Russian is not exactly as said by Nils Torvalds.

However, I have "some reasons" to doubt that you can't admit that those translations (= propaganda) are what was actually said. ;)
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Jar, I watched your link to TV5 - what exactly is Russian propaganda in the article?
there's nothing in Englidh, the video is actually audio, the screen is just black and this Torvald just says whst is given in the article before the wirds "in the interview to TV5 etc..., then it abruptly ends.
there's no interview

then, TV5 is one fron St.Petersburg which may be entertained to post something on Finland since it is close to Finnish border.
In federal mass media Finland is mentioned very infrequently.
Though, just today or yesterday I saw a news that Finnish minister of foreign affairs is not afraid of Russia :)
He said that Finland has no enemies and should stay this way, maybe this was the reason he got to Russian news...
Edited by Siberian, Jan 26 2018, 03:30 PM.
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Siberian
Jan 26 2018, 03:20 PM
Jar, I watched your link to TV5 - what exactly is Russian propaganda in the article?
there's nothing in Englidh, the video is actually audio, the screen is just black and this Torvald just says whst is given in the article before the wirds "in the interview to TV5 etc..., then it abruptly ends.
there's no interview

then, TV5 is one fron St.Petersburg which may be entertained to post something on Finland since it is close to Finnish border.
In federal mass media Finland is mentioned very infrequently.
Though, just today or yesterday I saw a news that Finnish minister of foreign affairs is not afraid of Russia :)
He said that Finland has no enemies and should stay this way, maybe this was the reason he got to Russian news...
So it looks like you're under the influence of realities of Russian immense propaganda machinery I've mentioned many times in this forum.
Not a surprise for someone residing in Russian borders :)

The video is 2:59 long and well with the picture and with these Russian translations shown.

I didn't find a way to include a screen capture of the video (with a sample of the translated subtitles) in this new perspectives.com interface. It used to work some years ago,,,
Any help from the admins?
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Lol, Jar, can you just point on what exactly is propaganda, I don't see anything to comment, just an audio of adress of that deputy in Russian :)
oh, sorry, I missed the video above, just sow the one in the end of the article.
one minute..
Edited by Siberian, Jan 26 2018, 04:01 PM.
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Jan 26 2018, 03:59 PM
Lol, Jar, can you just point on what exactly is propaganda, I don't see anything to comment, just an audio of adress of that deputy in Russian :)
oh, sorry, I missed the video above, just sow the one in the end of the article.
one minute..
Self-explanatory comment from you.

You cannot accept the reality of the world and freedom of speech, which Russia government has blocked from you.
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lol, it seems that TV5 sent the worst reporter to make an interview, both translation is awful and Russian text of tge article has some mistakes and is of lowcquality.
I thought of St.Petersburg better, at least they could have some people speaking English. This reporter seems not to be capable...

Of course translation is incorrect, but it is just awful and wild generally, but politically I don't see any sensirship since he omits both pro-and anti - pieces, as well translares also both kinds of them.
Just it seems a Finnish politician is considered of this importance that some reqruit is sent to make an interview with him :)
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Jar, calm down, don't search for exuses to support you made in advance conclusions.
You are a fanatic and don't need facts. You are still hiding from acknowledgement of Russian progress and superiority in communication ofvtgecstate with citizens and in Moscow achievemebts in smart environment :)
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Jan 26 2018, 04:16 PM
lol, it seems that TV5 sent the worst reporter to make an interview, both translation is awful and Russian text of tge article has some mistakes and is of lowcquality.
I thought of St.Petersburg better, at least they could have some people speaking English. This reporter seems not to be capable...

Of course translation is incorrect, but it is just awful and wild generally, but politically I don't see any sensirship since he omits both pro-and anti - pieces, as well translares also both kinds of them.
Just it seems a Finnish politician is considered of this importance that some reqruit is sent to make an interview with him :)
Sorry, too simple an answer from you. It's a perfect example how Russia cannot cope with the realities of the entire world and the problems it has in itself. This is way too common and very simplistic logic which is easy to understand of how ancient nationalistic propaganda machinery works.
The logic is too obvious and way too simple.

Current Russia is completely incapable of dealing with its past, of rediscovering itself, of redefining itself and of re-establishing itself with any new values, completely unlike most of Europe is all about regardless of its history.

Finland is partly struggling with these realities of the past and the present but most of us will not accept the history as something we should repeat. The ongoing presidential elections is a good view of the realities in this country (with the questions what are the responsibilities of a president).
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Jar, you are crazy, but in a boring way. It's the worst combination of any.
There is propaganda in Russia, tons of it, I can even direct you to the place where you can get it in most pure form. But not in the article you mentioned, it is just of low quality and professionalism.
https://zen.yandex.ru/?api_name=web&clid=100&country_code=ru
But, surprisingly for me - one of 7-8 pro-Putin's propaganda artickes tgere is always 1 fiersely anti-Putin one... :)
Generally speaking, unlike in the West - we have complex and diversified views, sourses and general approach.

Making such a radical and obviously simplistic statements as you do - don't you get it how far you are from being objective and in touch with reality at all?
Edited by Siberian, Jan 26 2018, 04:54 PM.
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Jar, some Russian analist wrote a couple of words about you personally...

http://perspectives.com/topic/10412614/1/?x=0#post10287534
Edited by Siberian, Feb 1 2018, 01:57 AM.
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and, Jar, by the way, your post-WWII wealth is based on the simple fact that you betrayed your ally Hitler in the end of the war and that USSR was much more generous than you deserve not to impose contributions on you and not to occupy you, after all war crimes you did in WWII.
2 centuries of extreme kindness of Russia to Finland led to that you don't value what you have, while your whole existense solely depends on how kind Russia is to you.
You seem to be eager to become a battlefield in future US-Russia war... :)
Edited by Siberian, Feb 2 2018, 12:38 AM.
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Jan 26 2018, 04:53 PM
Jar, you are crazy, but in a boring way. It's the worst combination of any.
There is propaganda in Russia, tons of it, I can even direct you to the place where you can get it in most pure form. But not in the article you mentioned, it is just of low quality and professionalism.
https://zen.yandex.ru/?api_name=web&clid=100&country_code=ru
But, surprisingly for me - one of 7-8 pro-Putin's propaganda artickes tgere is always 1 fiersely anti-Putin one... :)
Generally speaking, unlike in the West - we have complex and diversified views, sourses and general approach.

Making such a radical and obviously simplistic statements as you do - don't you get it how far you are from being objective and in touch with reality at all?
:rotflmao:

Russia has it's own version of so called "democracy", which is not comparable to ANY modern western nation at all which have strong foundation in democratic values, including Finland.
This is not just a personal view but a matter of historical and deep cultural and social understanding of the world, including Russia&SU as nations, and which are constantly and openly discussed in the western countries, because we allow the freedom of speech.

It doesn't matter if 1 of 7 is opposed to Putin. It's not a democracy when the government doesn't allow any opposition to grow.

We all know the next presidential elections in Russia is a theater. Putin himself made it very clear in his recent public speech that he will not allow any such force to exist in Russia, which has anything to remind the self-destruction of Soviet Union, that is, self-destruction of what is Russia today, as a remnant of the SU.
Kremlin doesn't have anyone to oppose Your Czar. The entire Russian government with their available force in the entire nation finds ways either to kill or try to silence any opposition by non-democratic ways so that those forces will not grow stronger.

History of Russia and the former Soviet Union says that a coup is largely unavoidable... Will it result to a civil war? Probably not, but maybe it should.
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Feb 2 2018, 12:36 AM
and, Jar, by the way, your post-WWII wealth is based on the simple fact that you betrayed your ally Hitler in the end of the war and that USSR was much more generous than you deserve not to impose contributions on you and not to occupy you, after all war crimes you did in WWII.
2 centuries of extreme kindness of Russia to Finland led to that you don't value what you have, while your whole existense solely depends on how kind Russia is to you.
You seem to be eager to become a battlefield in future US-Russia war... :)
Had a bad day, uh? :)

I will pass this as you are too subjected to the SU and re-emerged conservative propaganda machinery of current Russia, which is also very similar to the current Trump administration in the US.

Your post is not worth of responding to in any other way.
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Jar, democracy, as we understand it, is a rule of people. Isn't it?
Europe, and oarticularly and especially Finland is not a sovereign country. All important decisions on your policies are made in Washington, which is not democratic as you say, the rest, less important - in Brussels by EU bureaucrats.
Finnish people have zero power, except in minor insignificant issues, you are not a democracy.
C'mon, tell me more about Russia, it seems you know it better than I do :)
Edited by Siberian, Feb 3 2018, 01:29 AM.
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Feb 3 2018, 01:25 AM
Jar, democracy, as we understand it, is a rule of people. Isn't it?
Europe, and oarticularly and especially Finland is not a sovereign country. All important decisions on your policies are made in Washington, which is not democratic as you say, the rest, less important - in Brussels by EU bureaucrats.
Finnish people have zero power, except in minor insignificant issues, you are not a democracy.
C'mon, tell me more about Russia, it seems you know it better than I do :)
No, it isn't that simple.

I'm a bit surprised you have the bold to ask this kind of question, but I've already suspected it long time ago that you don't really understand anything about what democracy means in real life of us humans.

Democracy today is a value which respects the history of its origins in the past of one of the myriad of European cultures but which evolves with the understanding of the importance of life itself what we as human beings are capable of understandinging of it, bringing out the most capabilities of what us humans can do to the well of the majority of all kinds of life forms.

All the other forms of governing what we humans now know of them so far, do not offer such respect for life itself in the reality of human behaviour and which can also work in mass behaviorism.
Taken away the values of democracy in today's world means a whole bunch of disrespect of anything which is not conforming to some very simple beliefs of what this and that should be like.


BTW, there is no such concept as "Finnish people" to explain the true reality of us human beings.
You're stuck to a very simplistic view of us human beings on this planet, which is derived from a history written by some nationalistic Europeans who spread their values to the rest of the world, including the Romantic nationalism era, which lead to 2 world wars in the past century.
In Russia=Soviet Union, the comparable history happened, with some 20 million people or so killed, trying to "make a new human species" to follow the very strict rules of what became to known as communism, which was self-destruct because it was so unreal to what human beings are like in reality.

Seems like you as a citizen of a single country, are totally incapable of understanding human history at all and what humanity has already taught us human beings of our previous mistakes. So, you are not so far from the violent behavior what the Islamic world is still just about to start to deal with in their own problems.
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