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Left or Right; What is the criteria?
Topic Started: Dec 9 2017, 11:50 PM (525 Views)
longbich
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I suppose all people in all countries have different definitions.
I am wondering how we here on perspectives.com decide who's who on the spectrum?

For me it seems like the two extremes almost come full circle and meet each other and agree on many terms.

Left seems to tend towards socialism or maybe even communism?
Right seems to be conservative tending towards fascism?

The Right is religious.
The Left is secular.

The Left is global.
The Right is nationalistic.

I hesitate to put all of our members into the two roles which are delineated by the Conservative or Liberal Boards and foist the Right/Left labels on them.
Dr. B has enlightened me on a few topics when he has not just slammed Leftists just for the helluvit.
Hughmac sends comic blasts with logical insights towards Rightists.
Our amigo ringotuna seems more a realist than almost anyone else here and poor Tsalagi cops it from his ex-compatriots.
Edited by longbich, Dec 9 2017, 11:51 PM.
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Mr. Tik
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Left/Right is a dated and obsolete reference that only appeals to ideological purist like atta and esto.
You may be a conservative republican..if you are pro life until you get your mistress knocked up
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The Inquisitor
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longbich
Dec 9 2017, 11:50 PM
I suppose all people in all countries have different definitions.
I am wondering how we here on perspectives.com decide who's who on the spectrum?

For me it seems like the two extremes almost come full circle and meet each other and agree on many terms.

Left seems to tend towards socialism or maybe even communism?
Right seems to be conservative tending towards fascism?

The Right is religious.
The Left is secular.

The Left is global.
The Right is nationalistic.

I hesitate to put all of our members into the two roles which are delineated by the Conservative or Liberal Boards and foist the Right/Left labels on them.
Dr. B has enlightened me on a few topics when he has not just slammed Leftists just for the helluvit.
Hughmac sends comic blasts with logical insights towards Rightists.
Our amigo ringotuna seems more a realist than almost anyone else here and poor Tsalagi cops it from his ex-compatriots.
Your catching on to 2008+ American Politics....It's all about labels.

No middle ground allowed....If I agree with Conservatives on a subject....I get branded....Right Wing....Even though I may agree with Liberals on some other subject.

I know you have bar coding labels on products in Australia....If the bar code say's that's what is....Then it must be that....No maybe's about it.

I've never been a member of any Political party and never will be....A swing voter....But with the unfair crap that's going on in America at the moment has forced me to take sides....But I'm still not a member of any.... :oyvey

Edited by The Inquisitor, Dec 10 2017, 12:39 AM.
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Adolph Hipster
Dec 9 2017, 11:55 PM
Left/Right is a dated and obsolete reference that only appeals to ideological purist like atta and esto.
It may be dated but it's definitely not obsolete Adolph Hipster
Hardly a post goes by on the top end of this site without a rant blasting one end or the other of Right or Left.
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Adolph Hipster
Dec 9 2017, 11:55 PM
Left/Right is a dated and obsolete reference that only appeals to ideological purist like atta and esto.
Yeah....like genders :oyvey
Only liberals can choose not to go down the road to widespread, systematic violence.
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Dec 10 2017, 12:00 PM
Adolph Hipster
Dec 9 2017, 11:55 PM
Left/Right is a dated and obsolete reference that only appeals to ideological purist like atta and esto.
Yeah....like genders :oyvey
Yeah the gender analogy doesn't work well these days.

I wonder if attaburnsinhell or estonianman have ever before been called purists?
Ideological purists or any kind of purists?

I wonder if attburnsinhell and estonianman have ever been in the same sentence before?

From my perspective katoblue is as far right as this forum goes and maybe Adolph Hipster holds up the Left end?
I know that there are others who could fill up those extremes but I am not sure if they are true believers or are just trolling or playing it for fun.
The Bird of Time has but a little way to fly-
And Lo, the Bird is on the wing. "Omar"
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longbich
Dec 11 2017, 01:52 AM
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Dec 10 2017, 12:00 PM
Adolph Hipster
Dec 9 2017, 11:55 PM
Left/Right is a dated and obsolete reference that only appeals to ideological purist like atta and esto.
Yeah....like genders :oyvey
Yeah the gender analogy doesn't work well these days.

I wonder if attaburnsinhell or estonianman have ever before been called purists?
Ideological purists or any kind of purists?

I wonder if attburnsinhell and estonianman have ever been in the same sentence before?

From my perspective katoblue is as far right as this forum goes and maybe Adolph Hipster holds up the Left end?
I know that there are others who could fill up those extremes but I am not sure if they are true believers or are just trolling or playing it for fun.
Why all the questions and suppositions?.... :dunno:

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longbich
Dec 10 2017, 06:23 AM
Adolph Hipster
Dec 9 2017, 11:55 PM
Left/Right is a dated and obsolete reference that only appeals to ideological purist like atta and esto.
It may be dated but it's definitely not obsolete Adolph Hipster
Quite right longbich. If anything the left/right branding is more prevalent now than ever before. Anyone who doesn't recognize it is simply not paying attention. Unfortunately these days those labels are more and more defined by the extremists at each end of the spectrum. It comes down to perception...how we see ourselves and how we see others. We filter our perception of those who disagree with us through a much finer mesh filter than we do ourselves and our kindred's. This is a bad habit borne in our need for self-validation..that warm fuzzy feeling of self-righteousness that we get from, not necessarily being right, but believing we are right.

Ringoism: Never underestimate the advantages of being underestimated.
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ringotuna
Dec 11 2017, 04:47 AM
longbich
Dec 10 2017, 06:23 AM
Adolph Hipster
Dec 9 2017, 11:55 PM
Left/Right is a dated and obsolete reference that only appeals to ideological purist like atta and esto.
It may be dated but it's definitely not obsolete Adolph Hipster
Quite right longbich. If anything the left/right branding is more prevalent now than ever before. Anyone who doesn't recognize it is simply not paying attention. Unfortunately these days those labels are more and more defined by the extremists at each end of the spectrum. It comes down to perception...how we see ourselves and how we see others. We filter our perception of those who disagree with us through a much finer mesh filter than we do ourselves and our kindred's. This is a bad habit borne in our need for self-validation..that warm fuzzy feeling of self-righteousness that we get from, not necessarily being right, but believing we are right.

You sure do talk purdey.....but damn straight....great reply.... :cheers:
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The Inquisitor
Dec 11 2017, 04:17 AM
longbich
Dec 11 2017, 01:52 AM
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Dec 10 2017, 12:00 PM
Adolph Hipster
Dec 9 2017, 11:55 PM
Left/Right is a dated and obsolete reference that only appeals to ideological purist like atta and esto.
Yeah....like genders :oyvey
Yeah the gender analogy doesn't work well these days.

I wonder if attaburnsinhell or estonianman have ever before been called purists?
Ideological purists or any kind of purists?

I wonder if attburnsinhell and estonianman have ever been in the same sentence before?

From my perspective katoblue is as far right as this forum goes and maybe Adolph Hipster holds up the Left end?
I know that there are others who could fill up those extremes but I am not sure if they are true believers or are just trolling or playing it for fun.
Why all the questions and suppositions?.... :dunno:
More like questions to confirm his observations, along with those observations to help frame the questions. Why does that bother you?

Will Munny: "Deserve's got nothin' to do with it..."
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ringotuna
Dec 11 2017, 04:47 AM
longbich
Dec 10 2017, 06:23 AM
Adolph Hipster
Dec 9 2017, 11:55 PM
Left/Right is a dated and obsolete reference that only appeals to ideological purist like atta and esto.
It may be dated but it's definitely not obsolete Adolph Hipster
Quite right longbich. If anything the left/right branding is more prevalent now than ever before. Anyone who doesn't recognize it is simply not paying attention. Unfortunately these days those labels are more and more defined by the extremists at each end of the spectrum. It comes down to perception...how we see ourselves and how we see others. We filter our perception of those who disagree with us through a much finer mesh filter than we do ourselves and our kindred's. This is a bad habit borne in our need for self-validation..that warm fuzzy feeling of self-righteousness that we get from, not necessarily being right, but believing we are right.
All true. We tend as a whole to be much more concerned with BEING right, instead of GETTING it right.

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The right in Europe IS fascist except in Britain where the brexit movement was the working classes without socialism.

The american conservative has been labeled a fascist by his left wing adversaries unfairly and inaccurately.
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I've always viewed the left-right thing as a circle.
Without geometry, life is pointless.
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ringotuna
Dec 11 2017, 04:47 AM
that warm fuzzy feeling of self-righteousness that we get from, not necessarily being right, but believing we are right.

A sensation that Ringo is very well acquainted with :biggrin:
You may be a conservative republican..if you are pro life until you get your mistress knocked up
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longbich
Dec 11 2017, 01:52 AM
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Dec 10 2017, 12:00 PM
Adolph Hipster
Dec 9 2017, 11:55 PM
Left/Right is a dated and obsolete reference that only appeals to ideological purist like atta and esto.
Yeah....like genders :oyvey
Yeah the gender analogy doesn't work well these days.

I wonder if attaburnsinhell or estonianman have ever before been called purists?
Ideological purists or any kind of purists?

I wonder if attburnsinhell and estonianman have ever been in the same sentence before?

From my perspective katoblue is as far right as this forum goes and maybe Adolph Hipster holds up the Left end?
I know that there are others who could fill up those extremes but I am not sure if they are true believers or are just trolling or playing it for fun.
The definition of my political 'orientation' really depends on who you talk to..accordin g to cons like Kato..I am a full on marxist commie pinko
But to hardcore progressive I am republican lite.
You may be a conservative republican..if you are pro life until you get your mistress knocked up
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Adolph Hipster
Dec 11 2017, 12:11 PM
longbich
Dec 11 2017, 01:52 AM
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Dec 10 2017, 12:00 PM
Adolph Hipster
Dec 9 2017, 11:55 PM
Left/Right is a dated and obsolete reference that only appeals to ideological purist like atta and esto.
Yeah....like genders :oyvey
Yeah the gender analogy doesn't work well these days.

I wonder if attaburnsinhell or estonianman have ever before been called purists?
Ideological purists or any kind of purists?

I wonder if attburnsinhell and estonianman have ever been in the same sentence before?

From my perspective katoblue is as far right as this forum goes and maybe Adolph Hipster holds up the Left end?
I know that there are others who could fill up those extremes but I am not sure if they are true believers or are just trolling or playing it for fun.
The definition of my political 'orientation' really depends on who you talk to..accordin g to cons like Kato..I am a full on marxist commie pinko
But to hardcore progressive I am republican lite.
Tik - I have always considered you to be a libertarian (small l)

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Dec 11 2017, 12:08 PM
ringotuna
Dec 11 2017, 04:47 AM
that warm fuzzy feeling of self-righteousness that we get from, not necessarily being right, but believing we are right.

A sensation that Ringo is very well acquainted with :biggrin:
^^^ Triggered again. :rollseyes:
Ringoism: Never underestimate the advantages of being underestimated.
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ringotuna
Dec 12 2017, 05:28 AM
Adolph Hipster
Dec 11 2017, 12:08 PM
ringotuna
Dec 11 2017, 04:47 AM
that warm fuzzy feeling of self-righteousness that we get from, not necessarily being right, but believing we are right.

A sensation that Ringo is very well acquainted with :biggrin:
^^^ Triggered again. :rollseyes:
Waddaya gonna do? Perhaps not live in Southern Cal at the moment.
Wow that looks like a devastation that happens in OZ almost yearly in our southern state, Victoria. FIRE!

Your explanation hit the spot there ringotuna.
It is a very vague and grey area.
But still folks yell at each other for their perspective of their seemingly opposites being positioned at their opposite extreme.
The yelling doesn't seem to have a grasp on some real reason to "hate" or even just disagree with who is perceived to be in opposition.
It's not getting anywhere.

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And Lo, the Bird is on the wing. "Omar"
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longbich
Dec 12 2017, 06:14 AM
Waddaya gonna do?


Tap a cold beer in the barn with my mates and talk about horses, pick-ups, women and hang over cures. :biggrin:
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ringotuna
Dec 12 2017, 06:27 AM
longbich
Dec 12 2017, 06:14 AM
Waddaya gonna do?


Tap a cold beer in the barn with my mates and talk about horses, pick-ups, women and hang over cures. :biggrin:
Similar except there are no horses to talk about. The surf, weather and who fked up last week fill in for yarns about horses ringotuna.
Merits of beers are usually prime.
Pick-ups are much smaller here and they are called Utes ( short for utility or utilities) yeah women of course and hang overs are just accepted so there is no discussion.

The forums in the north of this site are rife with folks yelling leftists and rightists so the obsolescence claimed is not viable.

The Bird of Time has but a little way to fly-
And Lo, the Bird is on the wing. "Omar"
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