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Defending a predator; Justifying the unjustifiable - A New Low
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A shocking defense of a predator that preyed on teenage girls. This is your GOP.
http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/in-new-focus-group-potential-voters-still-voice-support-for-roy-moore-1113768003855
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Dec 12 2017, 05:39 AM
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Everyone knows that teenage girls are not worth the effort...That is why Alabama voters don't believe Moore is a "predator"....This democrat fantasy has blown up in their face, with many liberal public figures unmasked for sexual misconduct...........
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Jesus can raise the dead, but he can't fix stupid
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Dec 12 2017, 07:37 AM
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Yeah, that has zero to do with the topic.
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Dec 12 2017, 10:21 AM
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To be fair here, MSNBC is roughly the DNC's version of Sputnik news these days. So, anything from that source will probably not connect with your average citizen of Alabama.
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Dec 12 2017, 11:45 AM
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To be fair here, MSNBC is roughly the DNC's version of Sputnik news these days. So, anything from that source will probably not connect with your average citizen of Alabama. True....I understand why pummeling Roy Moore is more enjoyable for leftists than contemplating the worst politicization of intelligence, media and law enforcement scandal of the last 30 years. But if you fall into this group and you’re calling yourself a conservative, maybe reevaluate.
and Kurt Schlichter has a good read on this phenom....we no longer will allow to be Todd Akin'd
Woke Conservatives And The Awesome Power Of Not Caring
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Only liberals can choose not to go down the road to widespread, systematic violence.
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Dec 12 2017, 11:54 AM
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Does OP have evidence yet?
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Dec 12 2017, 03:50 PM
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To be fair here, MSNBC is roughly the DNC's version of Sputnik news these days. So, anything from that source will probably not connect with your average citizen of Alabama. The source does not matter. Did you listen to those people in Mr. Luntz's focus group? It was disgusting watching them justify Judge Moore's behavior.
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Dec 12 2017, 03:52 PM
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To be fair here, MSNBC is roughly the DNC's version of Sputnik news these days. So, anything from that source will probably not connect with your average citizen of Alabama.
True....I understand why pummeling Roy Moore is more enjoyable for leftists than contemplating the worst politicization of intelligence, media and law enforcement scandal of the last 30 years. But if you fall into this group and you’re calling yourself a conservative, maybe reevaluate. and Kurt Schlichter has a good read on this phenom....we no longer will allow to be Todd Akin'd Woke Conservatives And The Awesome Power Of Not CaringLINK Did you watch what took place in Mr. Luntz's focus group?
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Dec 12 2017, 03:55 PM
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To be fair here, MSNBC is roughly the DNC's version of Sputnik news these days. So, anything from that source will probably not connect with your average citizen of Alabama.
True....I understand why pummeling Roy Moore is more enjoyable for leftists than contemplating the worst politicization of intelligence, media and law enforcement scandal of the last 30 years. But if you fall into this group and you’re calling yourself a conservative, maybe reevaluate. and Kurt Schlichter has a good read on this phenom....we no longer will allow to be Todd Akin'd Woke Conservatives And The Awesome Power Of Not CaringLINK
Did you watch what took place in Mr. Luntz's focus group? Irrelevant. This isn't mob rule where public opinon substitutes for a judicial system.
You need evidence - otherwise they are just allegations.
I am getting tired of telling you.
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Dec 12 2017, 04:07 PM
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To be fair here, MSNBC is roughly the DNC's version of Sputnik news these days. So, anything from that source will probably not connect with your average citizen of Alabama.
True....I understand why pummeling Roy Moore is more enjoyable for leftists than contemplating the worst politicization of intelligence, media and law enforcement scandal of the last 30 years. But if you fall into this group and you’re calling yourself a conservative, maybe reevaluate. and Kurt Schlichter has a good read on this phenom....we no longer will allow to be Todd Akin'd Woke Conservatives And The Awesome Power Of Not CaringLINK
Did you watch what took place in Mr. Luntz's focus group?
Irrelevant. This isn't mob rule where public opinon substitutes for a judicial system. You need evidence - otherwise they are just allegations. I am getting tired of telling you. Clearly and I do mean very and crystal clearly you did not watch that brief portion at the head of the video that took place in Mr. Luntz's focus group.
It makes your reply here just babbling.
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Dec 12 2017, 04:32 PM
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To be fair here, MSNBC is roughly the DNC's version of Sputnik news these days. So, anything from that source will probably not connect with your average citizen of Alabama.
True....I understand why pummeling Roy Moore is more enjoyable for leftists than contemplating the worst politicization of intelligence, media and law enforcement scandal of the last 30 years. But if you fall into this group and you’re calling yourself a conservative, maybe reevaluate. and Kurt Schlichter has a good read on this phenom....we no longer will allow to be Todd Akin'd Woke Conservatives And The Awesome Power Of Not CaringLINK
Did you watch what took place in Mr. Luntz's focus group?
Irrelevant. This isn't mob rule where public opinon substitutes for a judicial system. You need evidence - otherwise they are just allegations. I am getting tired of telling you.
Clearly and I do mean very and crystal clearly you did not watch that brief portion at the head of the video that took place in Mr. Luntz's focus group. It makes your reply here just babbling. I watched it - 5 people are voting for Moore because they despise democrats. Don't care ....
You need to provide evidence that Moore is a predator - so far you have only allegations that surfaced 30 days before an election. Suspect at best - unless you're a political hack.
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Did you watch what took place in Mr. Luntz's focus group?
Irrelevant. This isn't mob rule where public opinon substitutes for a judicial system. You need evidence - otherwise they are just allegations. I am getting tired of telling you.
Clearly and I do mean very and crystal clearly you did not watch that brief portion at the head of the video that took place in Mr. Luntz's focus group. It makes your reply here just babbling.
I watched it - 5 people are voting for Moore because they despise democrats. Don't care .... You need to provide evidence that Moore is a predator - so far you have only allegations that surfaced 30 days before an election. Suspect at best - unless you're a political hack. You watched it?
Then comment on the defense that these people offered of Roy Moore?
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Irrelevant. This isn't mob rule where public opinon substitutes for a judicial system. You need evidence - otherwise they are just allegations. I am getting tired of telling you.
Clearly and I do mean very and crystal clearly you did not watch that brief portion at the head of the video that took place in Mr. Luntz's focus group. It makes your reply here just babbling.
I watched it - 5 people are voting for Moore because they despise democrats. Don't care .... You need to provide evidence that Moore is a predator - so far you have only allegations that surfaced 30 days before an election. Suspect at best - unless you're a political hack.
You watched it? Then comment on the defense that these people offered of Roy Moore? What about it? Their defense that Jesus forgives Moore?
I challenge that - there is zero evidence that Moore did anything wrong and furthermore, this has all the markings of a political hack.
I will condemn and disavow anyone that is convicted of sexuals assault, rape pedophilia - without hesitation. But I will never condemn someone based on mere allegations. Go to the court of the law and prove your case - or shut the feck about it.
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Clearly and I do mean very and crystal clearly you did not watch that brief portion at the head of the video that took place in Mr. Luntz's focus group. It makes your reply here just babbling.
I watched it - 5 people are voting for Moore because they despise democrats. Don't care .... You need to provide evidence that Moore is a predator - so far you have only allegations that surfaced 30 days before an election. Suspect at best - unless you're a political hack.
You watched it? Then comment on the defense that these people offered of Roy Moore?
What about it? Their defense that Jesus forgives Moore? I challenge that - there is zero evidence that Moore did anything wrong and furthermore, this has all the markings of a political hack. I will condemn and disavow anyone that is convicted of sexuals assault, rape pedophilia - without hesitation. But I will never condemn someone based on mere allegations. Go to the court of the law and prove your case - or shut the feck about it. So you except the "Jesus Forgives" defense and the "Times were different" defense and the "Any parent would be proud" defense?
All justifications of Judge Moore's inappropriate actions. Not a claim that he did not do it but a justification.
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I watched it - 5 people are voting for Moore because they despise democrats. Don't care .... You need to provide evidence that Moore is a predator - so far you have only allegations that surfaced 30 days before an election. Suspect at best - unless you're a political hack.
You watched it? Then comment on the defense that these people offered of Roy Moore?
What about it? Their defense that Jesus forgives Moore? I challenge that - there is zero evidence that Moore did anything wrong and furthermore, this has all the markings of a political hack. I will condemn and disavow anyone that is convicted of sexuals assault, rape pedophilia - without hesitation. But I will never condemn someone based on mere allegations. Go to the court of the law and prove your case - or shut the feck about it.
So you except the "Jesus Forgives" defense and the "Times were different" defense and the "Any parent would be proud" defense? All justifications of Judge Moore's inappropriate actions. Not a claim that he did not do it but a justification. Are you illiterate? I thought you wrote blogs online for a living? Read the bold .... feck
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To be fair here, MSNBC is roughly the DNC's version of Sputnik news these days. So, anything from that source will probably not connect with your average citizen of Alabama.
The source does not matter. Did you listen to those people in Mr. Luntz's focus group? It was disgusting watching them justify Judge Moore's behavior. Certainly the source matters. There is a reason why the video was parsed together without showing the entire statements of the people. People like Michael Moore and James O'Keefe use that so that they can create the narrative that they want you to see.
Beyond the patched together nature of the video segment they showed some valid points were brought up. He had the permission of the parents of all of the young women in question. As the one fellow pointed out, in Alabama people got married younger than 14. So, while we consider it wrong today, his seeking to date 16-22 year old women was perfectly normal and accepted. The one who was supposedly 14 at the time is the only one that is even remotely questionable and even that one might have been OK by the community standards given that he had permission of the mother.
Would I let a 30 year old guy date my 16 year old daughter? No. Would I consider it something worth crucifying a guy for 40 years later? Certainly not.
Think about what you are asking people to do here. Even if the relationship with the 14 year old girl happened exactly as she claims it did. You are suggesting that these people crucify a man that they respect. A man who has been a servant to the people for 50 years. You are asking them to totally ignore the fact that he has been faithfully married to his wife (who he married when she was in her early 20s) for 30 years while also being a tireless champion for the things that these people consider right and correct. All because of a relationship that would have been considered "OK" at the time that it happened.
C2C, there is zero proof that Moore did anything illegal. There is zero proof that he forced anyone to do anything. All of this happened over 40 years ago. Folks in the entertainment industry (Katie Couric) can't even accept that Matt Lauer did anything wrong and the person who first accused him evidently had unequivocal proof and it was just a couple years ago. Since then others have come forth but many in his industry and even in his building can't accept it.
What Moore did is nowhere near as bad as what Lauer did and Lauer's accuser had proof. People in the entertainment industry are still defending Lauer. People were defending Weinstein for weeks before they they finally gave up on it.
As I have previously said, I can't vote on this election so it is not my choice. The people of Alabama are much closer to this and much more familiar with all of the players in this game. I think the election today will tell you who they believe.
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You watched it? Then comment on the defense that these people offered of Roy Moore?
What about it? Their defense that Jesus forgives Moore? I challenge that - there is zero evidence that Moore did anything wrong and furthermore, this has all the markings of a political hack. I will condemn and disavow anyone that is convicted of sexuals assault, rape pedophilia - without hesitation. But I will never condemn someone based on mere allegations. Go to the court of the law and prove your case - or shut the feck about it.
So you except the "Jesus Forgives" defense and the "Times were different" defense and the "Any parent would be proud" defense? All justifications of Judge Moore's inappropriate actions. Not a claim that he did not do it but a justification.
Are you illiterate? I thought you wrote blogs online for a living? Read the bold .... feck You are incapable of replying to what is on that video and what took place in that focus group and your defense is to call me "illiterate"? :oyvey
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What about it? Their defense that Jesus forgives Moore? I challenge that - there is zero evidence that Moore did anything wrong and furthermore, this has all the markings of a political hack. I will condemn and disavow anyone that is convicted of sexuals assault, rape pedophilia - without hesitation. But I will never condemn someone based on mere allegations. Go to the court of the law and prove your case - or shut the feck about it.
So you except the "Jesus Forgives" defense and the "Times were different" defense and the "Any parent would be proud" defense? All justifications of Judge Moore's inappropriate actions. Not a claim that he did not do it but a justification.
Are you illiterate? I thought you wrote blogs online for a living? Read the bold .... feck
You are incapable of replying to what is on that video and what took place in that focus group and your defense is to call me "illiterate"? :oyvey He did not call you illiterate. He questioned your reading comprehension skills.
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To be fair here, MSNBC is roughly the DNC's version of Sputnik news these days. So, anything from that source will probably not connect with your average citizen of Alabama.
The source does not matter. Did you listen to those people in Mr. Luntz's focus group? It was disgusting watching them justify Judge Moore's behavior.
Certainly the source matters. There is a reason why the video was parsed together without showing the entire statements of the people. People like Michael Moore and James O'Keefe use that so that they can create the narrative that they want you to see. Beyond the patched together nature of the video segment they showed some valid points were brought up. He had the permission of the parents of all of the young women in question. As the one fellow pointed out, in Alabama people got married younger than 14. So, while we consider it wrong today, his seeking to date 16-22 year old women was perfectly normal and accepted. The one who was supposedly 14 at the time is the only one that is even remotely questionable and even that one might have been OK by the community standards given that he had permission of the mother. Would I let a 30 year old guy date my 16 year old daughter? No. Would I consider it something worth crucifying a guy for 40 years later? Certainly not. Think about what you are asking people to do here. Even if the relationship with the 14 year old girl happened exactly as she claims it did. You are suggesting that these people crucify a man that they respect. A man who has been a servant to the people for 50 years. You are asking them to totally ignore the fact that he has been faithfully married to his wife (who he married when she was in her early 20s) for 30 years while also being a tireless champion for the things that these people consider right and correct. All because of a relationship that would have been considered "OK" at the time that it happened. C2C, there is zero proof that Moore did anything illegal. There is zero proof that he forced anyone to do anything. All of this happened over 40 years ago. Folks in the entertainment industry (Katie Couric) can't even accept that Matt Lauer did anything wrong and the person who accused him initially evidently had unequivocal proof and it was just a couple years ago. What Moore did is nowhere near as bad as what Lauer did and Lauer's accuser had proof. People in the entertainment industry are still defending Lauer. People were defending Weinstein for weeks before they they finally gave up on it. As I have previously said, I can't vote on this election so it is not my choice. The people of Alabama are much closer to this and much more familiar with all of the players in this game. I think the election today will tell you who they believe. It is your assertion that the video is edited to change the perception of comments to a narrative that does not reflect the reality of what took place?
I disagree on several points you raise. For instance the 'permision of the parents'. Does that make Mr. Moore's actions any more acceptable because a parent is okay with a man in his thirties hitting on their daughter still in High School? I would argue that one.
And as to what I expect. I expect at the least the same standards to be set for Roy Moore as the Right set for Al Franken. It should not matter that this is a man they respect. Many people that are in hot water today are respected to the point of these accusations.
There is not zero proof. There is a good deal of corroberating evidence. These are not out of the blue accusations with no basis to hold them. And no one does not accept that he was a predator of teenage girls. And yes, predator is the right word. This is not sixth century Persia, this is the United States in the modern era. The 1970's may be forty years ago, its not ancient times. I graduated High School in 1977 and I don't recall a world where children dating adults was ever acceptable.
Matt Lauer is gone and he's not coming back and apparently rightfully so. Judge Moore is a predator and is accused of molestation of a minor and this focus group does not deny it, they justify it. It's repulsive.
This election is not a case of who they believe. Its a matter of what the people of Alabama will ignore and / or justify. A stand they would not extend to Doug Jones if that was the case.
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