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Defending a predator; Justifying the unjustifiable - A New Low
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To be fair here, MSNBC is roughly the DNC's version of Sputnik news these days. So, anything from that source will probably not connect with your average citizen of Alabama.
The source does not matter.
Did you listen to those people in Mr. Luntz's focus group? It was disgusting watching them justify Judge Moore's behavior.




Certainly the source matters. There is a reason why the video was parsed together without showing the entire statements of the people. People like Michael Moore and James O'Keefe use that so that they can create the narrative that they want you to see.

Beyond the patched together nature of the video segment they showed some valid points were brought up. He had the permission of the parents of all of the young women in question. As the one fellow pointed out, in Alabama people got married younger than 14. So, while we consider it wrong today, his seeking to date 16-22 year old women was perfectly normal and accepted. The one who was supposedly 14 at the time is the only one that is even remotely questionable and even that one might have been OK by the community standards given that he had permission of the mother.

Would I let a 30 year old guy date my 16 year old daughter? No. Would I consider it something worth crucifying a guy for 40 years later? Certainly not.

Think about what you are asking people to do here. Even if the relationship with the 14 year old girl happened exactly as she claims it did. You are suggesting that these people crucify a man that they respect. A man who has been a servant to the people for 50 years. You are asking them to totally ignore the fact that he has been faithfully married to his wife (who he married when she was in her early 20s) for 30 years while also being a tireless champion for the things that these people consider right and correct. All because of a relationship that would have been considered "OK" at the time that it happened.

C2C, there is zero proof that Moore did anything illegal. There is zero proof that he forced anyone to do anything. All of this happened over 40 years ago. Folks in the entertainment industry (Katie Couric) can't even accept that Matt Lauer did anything wrong and the person who accused him initially evidently had unequivocal proof and it was just a couple years ago.

What Moore did is nowhere near as bad as what Lauer did and Lauer's accuser had proof. People in the entertainment industry are still defending Lauer. People were defending Weinstein for weeks before they they finally gave up on it.

As I have previously said, I can't vote on this election so it is not my choice. The people of Alabama are much closer to this and much more familiar with all of the players in this game. I think the election today will tell you who they believe.
It is your assertion that the video is edited to change the perception of comments to a narrative that does not reflect the reality of what took place?

I disagree on several points you raise. For instance the 'permision of the parents'. Does that make Mr. Moore's actions any more acceptable because a parent is okay with a man in his thirties hitting on their daughter still in High School? I would argue that one.

And as to what I expect. I expect at the least the same standards to be set for Roy Moore as the Right set for Al Franken. It should not matter that this is a man the respect. Many people that are in hot water today are respected to the point of these accusations.

There is not zero proof. There is a good deal of corroberating evidence. These are not out of the blue accusations with no basis to hold them. And no one does not accept that he was a predator of teenage girls. And yes, predator is the right word. This is not sixth century Persia, this is the United States in the modern era. The 1970's may be forty years ago, its not ancient times. I graduated High School in 1977 and I don't recall a world where children dated adults was ever acceptable.

Matt Lauer is gone and he's not coming back and apparently rightfully so. Judge Moore is a predator and is accused of molestation of a minor and this focus group does not deny it, they justify it. It's repulsive.

This election is not a case of who they believe. Its a matter of what the people of Alabama will ignore and / or justify. A stand they would not extend to Doug Jones if that was the case.






Jones opposes the wall. Everything else is irrelevent.
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I challenge that
- there is zero evidence that Moore did anything wrong and furthermore, this has all the markings of a political hack.

I will condemn and disavow anyone that is convicted of sexuals assault, rape pedophilia - without hesitation. But I will never condemn someone based on mere allegations. Go to the court of the law and prove your case - or shut the feck about it.
So you except the "Jesus Forgives" defense and the "Times were different" defense and the "Any parent would be proud" defense?

All justifications of Judge Moore's inappropriate actions. Not a claim that he did not do it but a justification.


Are you illiterate? I thought you wrote blogs online for a living? Read the bold .... feck
You are incapable of replying to what is on that video and what took place in that focus group and your defense is to call me "illiterate"? :oyvey


He did not call you illiterate. He questioned your reading comprehension skills.
Seriously?

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I don’t care if John Wayne Gacy is the candidate; the democrat opposes the wall and the Muslim ban. He’s unacceptable
You're a bellwether for the morals in absentia of modern day American conservatism.


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I don’t care if John Wayne Gacy is the candidate; the democrat opposes the wall and the Muslim ban. He’s unacceptable
You're a bellwether for the morals in absentia of modern day American conservatism.


Dracula wasn’t a nice guy either. But he kept the invaders out. Everything else is irrelevent.
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I challenge that
justification.


Are you illiterate? I thought you wrote blogs online for a living? Read the bold .... feck
You are incapable of replying to what is on that video and what took place in that focus group and your defense is to call me "illiterate"? :oyvey


He did not call you illiterate. He questioned your reading comprehension skills.
Seriously?

Yes. He literally was asking you if you understood what he wrote. That is reading comprehension not literacy.
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I challenge that
justification
You are incapable of replying to what is on that video and what took place in that focus group and your defense is to call me "illiterate"? :oyvey


He did not call you illiterate. He questioned your reading comprehension skills.
Seriously?

Yes. He literally was asking you if you understood what he wrote. That is reading comprehension not literacy.
"D", seriously?

"Are you illiterate" is a shot. Not a question.


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To be fair here, MSNBC is roughly the DNC's version of Sputnik news these days. So, anything from that source will probably not connect with your average citizen of Alabama.
The source does not matter.
Did you listen to those people in Mr. Luntz's focus group? It was disgusting watching them justify Judge Moore's behavior.




Certainly the source matters. There is a reason why the video was parsed together without showing the entire statements of the people. People like Michael Moore and James O'Keefe use that so that they can create the narrative that they want you to see.

Beyond the patched together nature of the video segment they showed some valid points were brought up. He had the permission of the parents of all of the young women in question. As the one fellow pointed out, in Alabama people got married younger than 14. So, while we consider it wrong today, his seeking to date 16-22 year old women was perfectly normal and accepted. The one who was supposedly 14 at the time is the only one that is even remotely questionable and even that one might have been OK by the community standards given that he had permission of the mother.

Would I let a 30 year old guy date my 16 year old daughter? No. Would I consider it something worth crucifying a guy for 40 years later? Certainly not.

Think about what you are asking people to do here. Even if the relationship with the 14 year old girl happened exactly as she claims it did. You are suggesting that these people crucify a man that they respect. A man who has been a servant to the people for 50 years. You are asking them to totally ignore the fact that he has been faithfully married to his wife (who he married when she was in her early 20s) for 30 years while also being a tireless champion for the things that these people consider right and correct. All because of a relationship that would have been considered "OK" at the time that it happened.

C2C, there is zero proof that Moore did anything illegal. There is zero proof that he forced anyone to do anything. All of this happened over 40 years ago. Folks in the entertainment industry (Katie Couric) can't even accept that Matt Lauer did anything wrong and the person who accused him initially evidently had unequivocal proof and it was just a couple years ago.

What Moore did is nowhere near as bad as what Lauer did and Lauer's accuser had proof. People in the entertainment industry are still defending Lauer. People were defending Weinstein for weeks before they they finally gave up on it.

As I have previously said, I can't vote on this election so it is not my choice. The people of Alabama are much closer to this and much more familiar with all of the players in this game. I think the election today will tell you who they believe.
It is your assertion that the video is edited to change the perception of comments to a narrative that does not reflect the reality of what took place?

I disagree on several points you raise. For instance the 'permision of the parents'. Does that make Mr. Moore's actions any more acceptable because a parent is okay with a man in his thirties hitting on their daughter still in High School? I would argue that one.

And as to what I expect. I expect at the least the same standards to be set for Roy Moore as the Right set for Al Franken. It should not matter that this is a man they respect. Many people that are in hot water today are respected to the point of these accusations.

There is not zero proof. There is a good deal of corroberating evidence. These are not out of the blue accusations with no basis to hold them. And no one does not accept that he was a predator of teenage girls. And yes, predator is the right word. This is not sixth century Persia, this is the United States in the modern era. The 1970's may be forty years ago, its not ancient times. I graduated High School in 1977 and I don't recall a world where children dating adults was ever acceptable.

Matt Lauer is gone and he's not coming back and apparently rightfully so. Judge Moore is a predator and is accused of molestation of a minor and this focus group does not deny it, they justify it. It's repulsive.

This election is not a case of who they believe. Its a matter of what the people of Alabama will ignore and / or justify. A stand they would not extend to Doug Jones if that was the case.






Personally I think it is an election where the people of Alabama are trying to decide if they are going to let the Wapo and DNC railroad them into electing someone they do not want to represent them over a man that a vast majority of them would have voted for prior to the politically timed release of these accusations.

I think the majority of the voting folks in Alabama might have chosen Strange over Moore had these accusations been brought forth prior to the Republican primary. They might have picked Strange over moore even without compelling proof for any of the accusations.

The Post of course chose to hold onto this story until after the Primary so that they could force the people of Alabama to pick between Moore and a democrat rather than between Moore and another person who more closely represents their values. It was a brilliant plan by the Post to influence an election and try to change the balance in the Senate. They get full credit for that. The only problem with the plan is that many of the people of Alabama are not as stupid as the Post thinks they are and many of them refuse to be manipulated in this manner.

When you add to the obvious attempt at election manipulation by the Post to the fact that there is zero evidence of Moore in any way doing anything even remotely similar to what he is accused of over his last 40 years of public service, you have to understand where the people of Alabama might choose to just stick with Roy instead of vote for a guy that the vast majority of them never wanted.
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To be fair here, MSNBC is roughly the DNC's version of Sputnik news these days. So, anything from that source will probably not connect with your average citizen of Alabama.
The source does not matter.
Did you listen to those people in Mr. Luntz's focus group? It was disgusting watching them justify Judge Moore's behavior.




Certainly the source matters. There is a reason why the video was parsed together without showing the entire statements of the people. People like Michael Moore and James O'Keefe use that so that they can create the narrative that they want you to see.

Beyond the patched together nature of the video segment they showed some valid points were brought up. He had the permission of the parents of all of the young women in question. As the one fellow pointed out, in Alabama people got married younger than 14. So, while we consider it wrong today, his seeking to date 16-22 year old women was perfectly normal and accepted. The one who was supposedly 14 at the time is the only one that is even remotely questionable and even that one might have been OK by the community standards given that he had permission of the mother.

Would I let a 30 year old guy date my 16 year old daughter? No. Would I consider it something worth crucifying a guy for 40 years later? Certainly not.

Think about what you are asking people to do here. Even if the relationship with the 14 year old girl happened exactly as she claims it did. You are suggesting that these people crucify a man that they respect. A man who has been a servant to the people for 50 years. You are asking them to totally ignore the fact that he has been faithfully married to his wife (who he married when she was in her early 20s) for 30 years while also being a tireless champion for the things that these people consider right and correct. All because of a relationship that would have been considered "OK" at the time that it happened.

C2C, there is zero proof that Moore did anything illegal. There is zero proof that he forced anyone to do anything. All of this happened over 40 years ago. Folks in the entertainment industry (Katie Couric) can't even accept that Matt Lauer did anything wrong and the person who accused him initially evidently had unequivocal proof and it was just a couple years ago.

What Moore did is nowhere near as bad as what Lauer did and Lauer's accuser had proof. People in the entertainment industry are still defending Lauer. People were defending Weinstein for weeks before they they finally gave up on it.

As I have previously said, I can't vote on this election so it is not my choice. The people of Alabama are much closer to this and much more familiar with all of the players in this game. I think the election today will tell you who they believe.
It is your assertion that the video is edited to change the perception of comments to a narrative that does not reflect the reality of what took place?

I disagree on several points you raise. For instance the 'permision of the parents'. Does that make Mr. Moore's actions any more acceptable because a parent is okay with a man in his thirties hitting on their daughter still in High School? I would argue that one.

And as to what I expect. I expect at the least the same standards to be set for Roy Moore as the Right set for Al Franken. It should not matter that this is a man they respect. Many people that are in hot water today are respected to the point of these accusations.

There is not zero proof. There is a good deal of corroberating evidence. These are not out of the blue accusations with no basis to hold them. And no one does not accept that he was a predator of teenage girls. And yes, predator is the right word. This is not sixth century Persia, this is the United States in the modern era. The 1970's may be forty years ago, its not ancient times. I graduated High School in 1977 and I don't recall a world where children dating adults was ever acceptable.

Matt Lauer is gone and he's not coming back and apparently rightfully so. Judge Moore is a predator and is accused of molestation of a minor and this focus group does not deny it, they justify it. It's repulsive.

This election is not a case of who they believe. Its a matter of what the people of Alabama will ignore and / or justify. A stand they would not extend to Doug Jones if that was the case.






Personally I think it is an election where the people of Alabama are trying to decide if they are going to let the Wapo and DNC railroad them into electing someone they do not want to represent them over a man that a vast majority of them would have voted for prior to the politically timed release of these accusations.

I think the majority of the voting folks in Alabama might have chosen Strange over Moore had these accusations been brought forth prior to the Republican primary. They might have picked Strange over moore even without compelling proof for any of the accusations.

The Post of course chose to hold onto this story until after the Primary so that they could force the people of Alabama to pick between Moore and a democrat rather than between Moore and another person who more closely represents their values. It was a brilliant plan by the Post to influence an election and try to change the balance in the Senate. They get full credit for that. The only problem with the plan is that many of the people of Alabama are not as stupid as the Post thinks they are and many of them refuse to be manipulated in this manner.

When you add to the obvious attempt at election manipulation by the Post to the fact that there is zero evidence of Moore in any way doing anything even remotely similar to what he is accused of over his last 40 years of public service, you have to understand where the people of Alabama might choose to just stick with Roy instead of vote for a guy that the vast majority of them never wanted.
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To be fair here, MSNBC is roughly the DNC's version of Sputnik news these days. So, anything from that source will probably not connect with your average citizen of Alabama.
The source does not matter.
Did you listen to those people in Mr. Luntz's focus group? It was disgusting watching them justify Judge Moore's behavior.




Certainly the source matters. There is a reason why the video was parsed together without showing the entire statements of the people. People like Michael Moore and James O'Keefe use that so that they can create the narrative that they want you to see.

Beyond the patched together nature of the video segment they showed some valid points were brought up. He had the permission of the parents of all of the young women in question. As the one fellow pointed out, in Alabama people got married younger than 14. So, while we consider it wrong today, his seeking to date 16-22 year old women was perfectly normal and accepted. The one who was supposedly 14 at the time is the only one that is even remotely questionable and even that one might have been OK by the community standards given that he had permission of the mother.

Would I let a 30 year old guy date my 16 year old daughter? No. Would I consider it something worth crucifying a guy for 40 years later? Certainly not.

Think about what you are asking people to do here. Even if the relationship with the 14 year old girl happened exactly as she claims it did. You are suggesting that these people crucify a man that they respect. A man who has been a servant to the people for 50 years. You are asking them to totally ignore the fact that he has been faithfully married to his wife (who he married when she was in her early 20s) for 30 years while also being a tireless champion for the things that these people consider right and correct. All because of a relationship that would have been considered "OK" at the time that it happened.

C2C, there is zero proof that Moore did anything illegal. There is zero proof that he forced anyone to do anything. All of this happened over 40 years ago. Folks in the entertainment industry (Katie Couric) can't even accept that Matt Lauer did anything wrong and the person who accused him initially evidently had unequivocal proof and it was just a couple years ago.

What Moore did is nowhere near as bad as what Lauer did and Lauer's accuser had proof. People in the entertainment industry are still defending Lauer. People were defending Weinstein for weeks before they they finally gave up on it.

As I have previously said, I can't vote on this election so it is not my choice. The people of Alabama are much closer to this and much more familiar with all of the players in this game. I think the election today will tell you who they believe.
It is your assertion that the video is edited to change the perception of comments to a narrative that does not reflect the reality of what took place?

I disagree on several points you raise. For instance the 'permision of the parents'. Does that make Mr. Moore's actions any more acceptable because a parent is okay with a man in his thirties hitting on their daughter still in High School? I would argue that one.

And as to what I expect. I expect at the least the same standards to be set for Roy Moore as the Right set for Al Franken. It should not matter that this is a man they respect. Many people that are in hot water today are respected to the point of these accusations.

There is not zero proof. There is a good deal of corroberating evidence. These are not out of the blue accusations with no basis to hold them. And no one does not accept that he was a predator of teenage girls. And yes, predator is the right word. This is not sixth century Persia, this is the United States in the modern era. The 1970's may be forty years ago, its not ancient times. I graduated High School in 1977 and I don't recall a world where children dating adults was ever acceptable.

Matt Lauer is gone and he's not coming back and apparently rightfully so. Judge Moore is a predator and is accused of molestation of a minor and this focus group does not deny it, they justify it. It's repulsive.

This election is not a case of who they believe. Its a matter of what the people of Alabama will ignore and / or justify. A stand they would not extend to Doug Jones if that was the case.






Personally I think it is an election where the people of Alabama are trying to decide if they are going to let the Wapo and DNC railroad them into electing someone they do not want to represent them over a man that a vast majority of them would have voted for prior to the politically timed release of these accusations.

I think the majority of the voting folks in Alabama might have chosen Strange over Moore had these accusations been brought forth prior to the Republican primary. They might have picked Strange over moore even without compelling proof for any of the accusations.

The Post of course chose to hold onto this story until after the Primary so that they could force the people of Alabama to pick between Moore and a democrat rather than between Moore and another person who more closely represents their values. It was a brilliant plan by the Post to influence an election and try to change the balance in the Senate. They get full credit for that. The only problem with the plan is that many of the people of Alabama are not as stupid as the Post thinks they are and many of them refuse to be manipulated in this manner.

When you add to the obvious attempt at election manipulation by the Post to the fact that there is zero evidence of Moore in any way doing anything even remotely similar to what he is accused of over his last 40 years of public service, you have to understand where the people of Alabama might choose to just stick with Roy instead of vote for a guy that the vast majority of them never wanted.
There is not zero evidence of Roy Moore's actions.

And I disagree. This is not an election that is measuring any alleged railroading that you say is taking place. This is about the people of Alabama choosing between a moral stand and a politically advantageous stand regarding a man that hit on teenage girls in High School for a vote. It's an exchange, not a stand.

And of course all the other garbage that taints this man.
That focus group was clear. Not denial, but plenty of justification.


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Certainly the source matters. There is a reason why the video was parsed together without showing the entire statements of the people. People like Michael Moore and James O'Keefe use that so that they can create the narrative that they want you to see.

Beyond the patched together nature of the video segment they showed some valid points were brought up. He had the permission of the parents of all of the young women in question. As the one fellow pointed out, in Alabama people got married younger than 14. So, while we consider it wrong today, his seeking to date 16-22 year old women was perfectly normal and accepted. The one who was supposedly 14 at the time is the only one that is even remotely questionable and even that one might have been OK by the community standards given that he had permission of the mother.

Would I let a 30 year old guy date my 16 year old daughter? No. Would I consider it something worth crucifying a guy for 40 years later? Certainly not.

Think about what you are asking people to do here. Even if the relationship with the 14 year old girl happened exactly as she claims it did. You are suggesting that these people crucify a man that they respect. A man who has been a servant to the people for 50 years. You are asking them to totally ignore the fact that he has been faithfully married to his wife (who he married when she was in her early 20s) for 30 years while also being a tireless champion for the things that these people consider right and correct. All because of a relationship that would have been considered "OK" at the time that it happened.

C2C, there is zero proof that Moore did anything illegal. There is zero proof that he forced anyone to do anything. All of this happened over 40 years ago. Folks in the entertainment industry (Katie Couric) can't even accept that Matt Lauer did anything wrong and the person who accused him initially evidently had unequivocal proof and it was just a couple years ago.

What Moore did is nowhere near as bad as what Lauer did and Lauer's accuser had proof. People in the entertainment industry are still defending Lauer. People were defending Weinstein for weeks before they they finally gave up on it.

As I have previously said, I can't vote on this election so it is not my choice. The people of Alabama are much closer to this and much more familiar with all of the players in this game. I think the election today will tell you who they believe.
It is your assertion that the video is edited to change the perception of comments to a narrative that does not reflect the reality of what took place?

I disagree on several points you raise. For instance the 'permision of the parents'. Does that make Mr. Moore's actions any more acceptable because a parent is okay with a man in his thirties hitting on their daughter still in High School? I would argue that one.

And as to what I expect. I expect at the least the same standards to be set for Roy Moore as the Right set for Al Franken. It should not matter that this is a man they respect. Many people that are in hot water today are respected to the point of these accusations.

There is not zero proof. There is a good deal of corroberating evidence. These are not out of the blue accusations with no basis to hold them. And no one does not accept that he was a predator of teenage girls. And yes, predator is the right word. This is not sixth century Persia, this is the United States in the modern era. The 1970's may be forty years ago, its not ancient times. I graduated High School in 1977 and I don't recall a world where children dating adults was ever acceptable.

Matt Lauer is gone and he's not coming back and apparently rightfully so. Judge Moore is a predator and is accused of molestation of a minor and this focus group does not deny it, they justify it. It's repulsive.

This election is not a case of who they believe. Its a matter of what the people of Alabama will ignore and / or justify. A stand they would not extend to Doug Jones if that was the case.






Personally I think it is an election where the people of Alabama are trying to decide if they are going to let the Wapo and DNC railroad them into electing someone they do not want to represent them over a man that a vast majority of them would have voted for prior to the politically timed release of these accusations.

I think the majority of the voting folks in Alabama might have chosen Strange over Moore had these accusations been brought forth prior to the Republican primary. They might have picked Strange over moore even without compelling proof for any of the accusations.

The Post of course chose to hold onto this story until after the Primary so that they could force the people of Alabama to pick between Moore and a democrat rather than between Moore and another person who more closely represents their values. It was a brilliant plan by the Post to influence an election and try to change the balance in the Senate. They get full credit for that. The only problem with the plan is that many of the people of Alabama are not as stupid as the Post thinks they are and many of them refuse to be manipulated in this manner.

When you add to the obvious attempt at election manipulation by the Post to the fact that there is zero evidence of Moore in any way doing anything even remotely similar to what he is accused of over his last 40 years of public service, you have to understand where the people of Alabama might choose to just stick with Roy instead of vote for a guy that the vast majority of them never wanted.
There is not zero evidence of Roy Moore's actions.

And I disagree. This is not an election that is measuring any alleged railroading that you say is taking place. This is about the people of Alabama choosing between a moral stand and a politically advantageous stand regarding a man that hit on teenage girls in High School for a vote. It's an exchange, not a stand.

And of course all the other garbage that taints this man.
That focus group was clear. Not denial, but plenty of justification.


As I said, your source is bad when it comes to the video of the "focus group" so I am pretty much ignoring that the same way I would something from Michael Moore or James O'Keefe.

I was addressing the actual issues here. Once again, the only one of the accusers that might have been illegal was the 14 year old. If there was a relationship there it was consensual with the permission of the mother. There is no clinical proof of this relationship. So it is a he said she said type situation. He denies that the relationship existed.

You sir have called the man a child predator. Here is the thing about child predators. They always commit more crimes. For 40 years Moore has a spotless record with zero events of him doing anything like this. If he were a child predator as you suggest he would have relapsed in that time. They always do. There would be other accusers and there would be physical evidence of crimes.

The evidence does not exist to support your accusation.

When this story first broke I was inclined to believe it because I simply don't like Moore. Unfortunately though, the longer that the case ran and as additional information came out about the timing of this story and how it all came together; it has all the markings of an attempted "October Surprise" created by a large media outlet in order to influence an election.

If the people of Alabama choose to believe in the real world actions of Moore over the past 40 years rather than a report by a suspect media outlet on actions that can not be confirmed, well then I can't blame them.

It could go either way though. Also, I am on the record saying that I thought seeking to oust Franken for stuff that was not criminal and that did not happen while he was a Senator is wrong.
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It is your assertion that the video is edited to change the perception of comments to a narrative that does not reflect the reality of what took place?

I disagree on several points you raise. For instance the 'permision of the parents'. Does that make Mr. Moore's actions any more acceptable because a parent is okay with a man in his thirties hitting on their daughter still in High School? I would argue that one.

And as to what I expect. I expect at the least the same standards to be set for Roy Moore as the Right set for Al Franken. It should not matter that this is a man they respect. Many people that are in hot water today are respected to the point of these accusations.

There is not zero proof. There is a good deal of corroberating evidence. These are not out of the blue accusations with no basis to hold them. And no one does not accept that he was a predator of teenage girls. And yes, predator is the right word. This is not sixth century Persia, this is the United States in the modern era. The 1970's may be forty years ago, its not ancient times. I graduated High School in 1977 and I don't recall a world where children dating adults was ever acceptable.

Matt Lauer is gone and he's not coming back and apparently rightfully so. Judge Moore is a predator and is accused of molestation of a minor and this focus group does not deny it, they justify it. It's repulsive.

This election is not a case of who they believe. Its a matter of what the people of Alabama will ignore and / or justify. A stand they would not extend to Doug Jones if that was the case.






Personally I think it is an election where the people of Alabama are trying to decide if they are going to let the Wapo and DNC railroad them into electing someone they do not want to represent them over a man that a vast majority of them would have voted for prior to the politically timed release of these accusations.

I think the majority of the voting folks in Alabama might have chosen Strange over Moore had these accusations been brought forth prior to the Republican primary. They might have picked Strange over moore even without compelling proof for any of the accusations.

The Post of course chose to hold onto this story until after the Primary so that they could force the people of Alabama to pick between Moore and a democrat rather than between Moore and another person who more closely represents their values. It was a brilliant plan by the Post to influence an election and try to change the balance in the Senate. They get full credit for that. The only problem with the plan is that many of the people of Alabama are not as stupid as the Post thinks they are and many of them refuse to be manipulated in this manner.

When you add to the obvious attempt at election manipulation by the Post to the fact that there is zero evidence of Moore in any way doing anything even remotely similar to what he is accused of over his last 40 years of public service, you have to understand where the people of Alabama might choose to just stick with Roy instead of vote for a guy that the vast majority of them never wanted.
There is not zero evidence of Roy Moore's actions.

And I disagree. This is not an election that is measuring any alleged railroading that you say is taking place. This is about the people of Alabama choosing between a moral stand and a politically advantageous stand regarding a man that hit on teenage girls in High School for a vote. It's an exchange, not a stand.

And of course all the other garbage that taints this man.
That focus group was clear. Not denial, but plenty of justification.


As I said, your source is bad when it comes to the video of the "focus group" so I am pretty much ignoring that the same way I would something from Michael Moore or James O'Keefe.

I was addressing the actual issues here. Once again, the only one of the accusers that might have been illegal was the 14 year old. If there was a relationship there it was consensual with the permission of the mother. There is no clinical proof of this relationship. So it is a he said she said type situation. He denies that the relationship existed.

You sir have called the man a child predator. Here is the thing about child predators. They always commit more crimes. For 40 years Moore has a spotless record with zero events of him doing anything like this. If he were a child predator as you suggest he would have relapsed in that time. They always do. There would be other accusers and there would be physical evidence of crimes.

The evidence does not exist to support your accusation.

When this story first broke I was inclined to believe it because I simply don't like Moore. Unfortunately though, the longer that the case ran and as additional information came out about the timing of this story and how it all came together; it has all the markings of an attempted "October Surprise" created by a large media outlet in order to influence an election.

If the people of Alabama choose to believe in the real world actions of Moore over the past 40 years rather than a report by a suspect media outlet on actions that can not be confirmed, well then I can't blame them.

It could go either way though. Also, I am on the record saying that I thought seeking to oust Franken for stuff that was not criminal and that did not happen while he was a Senator is wrong.
It always cracks me up when c2c gets on his high horse when he has worked in a known to all cesspool for decades....only now does he start pearl clutching

I don't think you could articulate things any better than you have Demo....

What will go on now if we let it is the c2c hamster wheel of posting....

He lectures, we call out his nonsense, he says we are uninformed, we call out his nonsense, he says see what I mean, we call out his nonsense, he says I knew you couldn't, we call out his nonsense, he declares victory and we privately chuckle....

A story as old as time....

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Personally I think it is an election where the people of Alabama are trying to decide if they are going to let the Wapo and DNC railroad them into electing someone they do not want to represent them over a man that a vast majority of them would have voted for prior to the politically timed release of these accusations.

I think the majority of the voting folks in Alabama might have chosen Strange over Moore had these accusations been brought forth prior to the Republican primary. They might have picked Strange over moore even without compelling proof for any of the accusations.

The Post of course chose to hold onto this story until after the Primary so that they could force the people of Alabama to pick between Moore and a democrat rather than between Moore and another person who more closely represents their values. It was a brilliant plan by the Post to influence an election and try to change the balance in the Senate. They get full credit for that. The only problem with the plan is that many of the people of Alabama are not as stupid as the Post thinks they are and many of them refuse to be manipulated in this manner.

When you add to the obvious attempt at election manipulation by the Post to the fact that there is zero evidence of Moore in any way doing anything even remotely similar to what he is accused of over his last 40 years of public service, you have to understand where the people of Alabama might choose to just stick with Roy instead of vote for a guy that the vast majority of them never wanted.
There is not zero evidence of Roy Moore's actions.

And I disagree. This is not an election that is measuring any alleged railroading that you say is taking place. This is about the people of Alabama choosing between a moral stand and a politically advantageous stand regarding a man that hit on teenage girls in High School for a vote. It's an exchange, not a stand.

And of course all the other garbage that taints this man.
That focus group was clear. Not denial, but plenty of justification.


As I said, your source is bad when it comes to the video of the "focus group" so I am pretty much ignoring that the same way I would something from Michael Moore or James O'Keefe.

I was addressing the actual issues here. Once again, the only one of the accusers that might have been illegal was the 14 year old. If there was a relationship there it was consensual with the permission of the mother. There is no clinical proof of this relationship. So it is a he said she said type situation. He denies that the relationship existed.

You sir have called the man a child predator. Here is the thing about child predators. They always commit more crimes. For 40 years Moore has a spotless record with zero events of him doing anything like this. If he were a child predator as you suggest he would have relapsed in that time. They always do. There would be other accusers and there would be physical evidence of crimes.

The evidence does not exist to support your accusation.

When this story first broke I was inclined to believe it because I simply don't like Moore. Unfortunately though, the longer that the case ran and as additional information came out about the timing of this story and how it all came together; it has all the markings of an attempted "October Surprise" created by a large media outlet in order to influence an election.

If the people of Alabama choose to believe in the real world actions of Moore over the past 40 years rather than a report by a suspect media outlet on actions that can not be confirmed, well then I can't blame them.

It could go either way though. Also, I am on the record saying that I thought seeking to oust Franken for stuff that was not criminal and that did not happen while he was a Senator is wrong.
It always cracks me up when c2c gets on his high horse when he has worked in a known to all cesspool for decades....only now does he start pearl clutching

I don't think you could articulate things any better than you have Demo....

What will go on now if we let it is the c2c hamster wheel of posting....

He lectures, we call out his nonsense, he says we are uninformed, we call out his nonsense, he says see what I mean, we call out his nonsense, he says I knew you couldn't, we call out his nonsense, he declares victory and we privately chuckle....

A story as old as time....

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I though Demo got off light....He didn't get a Spam warning or one of them C2c Morality lectures.... :rotflmao:



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I though Demo got off light....He didn't get a Spam warning or one of them C2c Morality lectures....


Still early in the day by California standards...give it another hour or two and ....

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Still early in the day by California standards...give it another hour or two and ....

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:rotflmao: well done :rotflmao: :cheers:

Probably will get a post reply from the Deleted User.... :popcorn:
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It is your assertion that the video is edited to change the perception of comments to a narrative that does not reflect the reality of what took place?

I disagree on several points you raise. For instance the 'permision of the parents'. Does that make Mr. Moore's actions any more acceptable because a parent is okay with a man in his thirties hitting on their daughter still in High School? I would argue that one.

And as to what I expect. I expect at the least the same standards to be set for Roy Moore as the Right set for Al Franken. It should not matter that this is a man they respect. Many people that are in hot water today are respected to the point of these accusations.

There is not zero proof. There is a good deal of corroberating evidence. These are not out of the blue accusations with no basis to hold them. And no one does not accept that he was a predator of teenage girls. And yes, predator is the right word. This is not sixth century Persia, this is the United States in the modern era. The 1970's may be forty years ago, its not ancient times. I graduated High School in 1977 and I don't recall a world where children dating adults was ever acceptable.

Matt Lauer is gone and he's not coming back and apparently rightfully so. Judge Moore is a predator and is accused of molestation of a minor and this focus group does not deny it, they justify it. It's repulsive.

This election is not a case of who they believe. Its a matter of what the people of Alabama will ignore and / or justify. A stand they would not extend to Doug Jones if that was the case.






Personally I think it is an election where the people of Alabama are trying to decide if they are going to let the Wapo and DNC railroad them into electing someone they do not want to represent them over a man that a vast majority of them would have voted for prior to the politically timed release of these accusations.

I think the majority of the voting folks in Alabama might have chosen Strange over Moore had these accusations been brought forth prior to the Republican primary. They might have picked Strange over moore even without compelling proof for any of the accusations.

The Post of course chose to hold onto this story until after the Primary so that they could force the people of Alabama to pick between Moore and a democrat rather than between Moore and another person who more closely represents their values. It was a brilliant plan by the Post to influence an election and try to change the balance in the Senate. They get full credit for that. The only problem with the plan is that many of the people of Alabama are not as stupid as the Post thinks they are and many of them refuse to be manipulated in this manner.

When you add to the obvious attempt at election manipulation by the Post to the fact that there is zero evidence of Moore in any way doing anything even remotely similar to what he is accused of over his last 40 years of public service, you have to understand where the people of Alabama might choose to just stick with Roy instead of vote for a guy that the vast majority of them never wanted.
There is not zero evidence of Roy Moore's actions.

And I disagree. This is not an election that is measuring any alleged railroading that you say is taking place. This is about the people of Alabama choosing between a moral stand and a politically advantageous stand regarding a man that hit on teenage girls in High School for a vote. It's an exchange, not a stand.

And of course all the other garbage that taints this man.
That focus group was clear. Not denial, but plenty of justification.


As I said, your source is bad when it comes to the video of the "focus group" so I am pretty much ignoring that the same way I would something from Michael Moore or James O'Keefe.

I was addressing the actual issues here. Once again, the only one of the accusers that might have been illegal was the 14 year old. If there was a relationship there it was consensual with the permission of the mother. There is no clinical proof of this relationship. So it is a he said she said type situation. He denies that the relationship existed.

You sir have called the man a child predator. Here is the thing about child predators. They always commit more crimes. For 40 years Moore has a spotless record with zero events of him doing anything like this. If he were a child predator as you suggest he would have relapsed in that time. They always do. There would be other accusers and there would be physical evidence of crimes.

The evidence does not exist to support your accusation.

When this story first broke I was inclined to believe it because I simply don't like Moore. Unfortunately though, the longer that the case ran and as additional information came out about the timing of this story and how it all came together; it has all the markings of an attempted "October Surprise" created by a large media outlet in order to influence an election.

If the people of Alabama choose to believe in the real world actions of Moore over the past 40 years rather than a report by a suspect media outlet on actions that can not be confirmed, well then I can't blame them.

It could go either way though. Also, I am on the record saying that I thought seeking to oust Franken for stuff that was not criminal and that did not happen while he was a Senator is wrong.
You are comparing Mr. Luntz and his focus groups to James O'Keefe? That's not even as close as apple and oranges, it's further apart than black and white in fact.

And yes, he is a predator. He was a man in his thirties preying on girls that were still in High School. There is no other word for this man.

Her accusations are highly corroborated. He has vacillated on who he knows and doesn't suddenly know. He had the reputation of a predator of teenage girls. He was on a Mall and YMCA "watch" list because of it.

If the people of Alabama choose to back Judge Moore clear to the Senate it will become apparent that the people of Alabama have lost their moral core.

Either way its a win for Democrats.
He loses we pick up a seat and that majority gets dramatically thinner.
He wins and the issues of sexual harrassment will be an issue that Republicans will be forced to face in a way that will force them to defend their own or stand by millions of women that have been harrassed and either not believed or were too afraid of exactly the responses we have seen happening this past month and for eons before that.




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Personally I think it is an election where the people of Alabama are trying to decide if they are going to let the Wapo and DNC railroad them into electing someone they do not want to represent them over a man that a vast majority of them would have voted for prior to the politically timed release of these accusations.

I think the majority of the voting folks in Alabama might have chosen Strange over Moore had these accusations been brought forth prior to the Republican primary. They might have picked Strange over moore even without compelling proof for any of the accusations.

The Post of course chose to hold onto this story until after the Primary so that they could force the people of Alabama to pick between Moore and a democrat rather than between Moore and another person who more closely represents their values. It was a brilliant plan by the Post to influence an election and try to change the balance in the Senate. They get full credit for that. The only problem with the plan is that many of the people of Alabama are not as stupid as the Post thinks they are and many of them refuse to be manipulated in this manner.

When you add to the obvious attempt at election manipulation by the Post to the fact that there is zero evidence of Moore in any way doing anything even remotely similar to what he is accused of over his last 40 years of public service, you have to understand where the people of Alabama might choose to just stick with Roy instead of vote for a guy that the vast majority of them never wanted.
There is not zero evidence of Roy Moore's actions.

And I disagree. This is not an election that is measuring any alleged railroading that you say is taking place. This is about the people of Alabama choosing between a moral stand and a politically advantageous stand regarding a man that hit on teenage girls in High School for a vote. It's an exchange, not a stand.

And of course all the other garbage that taints this man.
That focus group was clear. Not denial, but plenty of justification.


As I said, your source is bad when it comes to the video of the "focus group" so I am pretty much ignoring that the same way I would something from Michael Moore or James O'Keefe.

I was addressing the actual issues here. Once again, the only one of the accusers that might have been illegal was the 14 year old. If there was a relationship there it was consensual with the permission of the mother. There is no clinical proof of this relationship. So it is a he said she said type situation. He denies that the relationship existed.

You sir have called the man a child predator. Here is the thing about child predators. They always commit more crimes. For 40 years Moore has a spotless record with zero events of him doing anything like this. If he were a child predator as you suggest he would have relapsed in that time. They always do. There would be other accusers and there would be physical evidence of crimes.

The evidence does not exist to support your accusation.

When this story first broke I was inclined to believe it because I simply don't like Moore. Unfortunately though, the longer that the case ran and as additional information came out about the timing of this story and how it all came together; it has all the markings of an attempted "October Surprise" created by a large media outlet in order to influence an election.

If the people of Alabama choose to believe in the real world actions of Moore over the past 40 years rather than a report by a suspect media outlet on actions that can not be confirmed, well then I can't blame them.

It could go either way though. Also, I am on the record saying that I thought seeking to oust Franken for stuff that was not criminal and that did not happen while he was a Senator is wrong.
You are comparing Mr. Luntz and his focus groups to James O'Keefe? That's not even as close as apple and oranges, it's further apart than black and white in fact.

And yes, he is a predator. He was a man in his thirties preying on girls that were still in High School. There is no other word for this man.

Her accusations are highly corroborated. He has vacillated on who he knows and doesn't suddenly know. He had the reputation of a predator of teenage girls. He was on a Mall and YMCA "watch" list because of it.

If the people of Alabama choose to back Judge Moore clear to the Senate it will become apparent that the people of Alabama have lost their moral core.

Either way its a win for Democrats.
He loses we pick up a seat and that majority gets dramatically thinner.
He wins and the issues of sexual harrassment will be an issue that Republicans will be forced to face in a way that will force them to defend their own or stand by millions of women that have been harrassed and either not believed or were too afraid of exactly the responses we have seen happening this past month and for eons before that.




And you lecture on morals....I thought the object of an election was to elect a representative that represents the people....regardless of party?.... :oyvey

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There is not zero evidence of Roy Moore's actions.

And I disagree. This is not an election that is measuring any alleged railroading that you say is taking place. This is about the people of Alabama choosing between a moral stand and a politically advantageous stand regarding a man that hit on teenage girls in High School for a vote. It's an exchange, not a stand.

And of course all the other garbage that taints this man.
That focus group was clear. Not denial, but plenty of justification.


As I said, your source is bad when it comes to the video of the "focus group" so I am pretty much ignoring that the same way I would something from Michael Moore or James O'Keefe.

I was addressing the actual issues here. Once again, the only one of the accusers that might have been illegal was the 14 year old. If there was a relationship there it was consensual with the permission of the mother. There is no clinical proof of this relationship. So it is a he said she said type situation. He denies that the relationship existed.

You sir have called the man a child predator. Here is the thing about child predators. They always commit more crimes. For 40 years Moore has a spotless record with zero events of him doing anything like this. If he were a child predator as you suggest he would have relapsed in that time. They always do. There would be other accusers and there would be physical evidence of crimes.

The evidence does not exist to support your accusation.

When this story first broke I was inclined to believe it because I simply don't like Moore. Unfortunately though, the longer that the case ran and as additional information came out about the timing of this story and how it all came together; it has all the markings of an attempted "October Surprise" created by a large media outlet in order to influence an election.

If the people of Alabama choose to believe in the real world actions of Moore over the past 40 years rather than a report by a suspect media outlet on actions that can not be confirmed, well then I can't blame them.

It could go either way though. Also, I am on the record saying that I thought seeking to oust Franken for stuff that was not criminal and that did not happen while he was a Senator is wrong.
You are comparing Mr. Luntz and his focus groups to James O'Keefe? That's not even as close as apple and oranges, it's further apart than black and white in fact.

And yes, he is a predator. He was a man in his thirties preying on girls that were still in High School. There is no other word for this man.

Her accusations are highly corroborated. He has vacillated on who he knows and doesn't suddenly know. He had the reputation of a predator of teenage girls. He was on a Mall and YMCA "watch" list because of it.

If the people of Alabama choose to back Judge Moore clear to the Senate it will become apparent that the people of Alabama have lost their moral core.

Either way its a win for Democrats.
He loses we pick up a seat and that majority gets dramatically thinner.
He wins and the issues of sexual harrassment will be an issue that Republicans will be forced to face in a way that will force them to defend their own or stand by millions of women that have been harrassed and either not believed or were too afraid of exactly the responses we have seen happening this past month and for eons before that.




And you lecture on morals....I thought the object of an election was to elect a representative that represents the people....regardless of party?.... :oyvey

Well if a man with the morals that supports, approves or excuses preying on teenage girls still in High School including one that is alleged to have been underage, along with all his other crazy represents the people of Alabama than all it does is confirm everything I and others have been saying.

Beautiful! :unitedstates:

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As I said, your source is bad when it comes to the video of the "focus group" so I am pretty much ignoring that the same way I would something from Michael Moore or James O'Keefe.

I was addressing the actual issues here. Once again, the only one of the accusers that might have been illegal was the 14 year old. If there was a relationship there it was consensual with the permission of the mother. There is no clinical proof of this relationship. So it is a he said she said type situation. He denies that the relationship existed.

You sir have called the man a child predator. Here is the thing about child predators. They always commit more crimes. For 40 years Moore has a spotless record with zero events of him doing anything like this. If he were a child predator as you suggest he would have relapsed in that time. They always do. There would be other accusers and there would be physical evidence of crimes.

The evidence does not exist to support your accusation.

When this story first broke I was inclined to believe it because I simply don't like Moore. Unfortunately though, the longer that the case ran and as additional information came out about the timing of this story and how it all came together; it has all the markings of an attempted "October Surprise" created by a large media outlet in order to influence an election.

If the people of Alabama choose to believe in the real world actions of Moore over the past 40 years rather than a report by a suspect media outlet on actions that can not be confirmed, well then I can't blame them.

It could go either way though. Also, I am on the record saying that I thought seeking to oust Franken for stuff that was not criminal and that did not happen while he was a Senator is wrong.
You are comparing Mr. Luntz and his focus groups to James O'Keefe? That's not even as close as apple and oranges, it's further apart than black and white in fact.

And yes, he is a predator. He was a man in his thirties preying on girls that were still in High School. There is no other word for this man.

Her accusations are highly corroborated. He has vacillated on who he knows and doesn't suddenly know. He had the reputation of a predator of teenage girls. He was on a Mall and YMCA "watch" list because of it.

If the people of Alabama choose to back Judge Moore clear to the Senate it will become apparent that the people of Alabama have lost their moral core.

Either way its a win for Democrats.
He loses we pick up a seat and that majority gets dramatically thinner.
He wins and the issues of sexual harrassment will be an issue that Republicans will be forced to face in a way that will force them to defend their own or stand by millions of women that have been harrassed and either not believed or were too afraid of exactly the responses we have seen happening this past month and for eons before that.




And you lecture on morals....I thought the object of an election was to elect a representative that represents the people....regardless of party?.... :oyvey

Well if a man with the morals that supports, approves or excuses preying on teenage girls still in High School including one that is alleged to have been underage, along with all his other crazy represents the people of Alabama than all it does is confirm everything I and others have been saying.

Beautiful! :unitedstates:

All unproven allegations....I have passed no judgement on Moore or Franken....it's called Due Process....

In fact I am on record for a post saying that I believe Franken should not have resigned....

Your the one pushing for a politically convenient Lynch mob....
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Dec 12 2017, 09:55 PM
Coast2coast
Dec 12 2017, 09:41 PM
Demagogue
Dec 12 2017, 06:54 PM

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You are comparing Mr. Luntz and his focus groups to James O'Keefe? That's not even as close as apple and oranges, it's further apart than black and white in fact.

And yes, he is a predator. He was a man in his thirties preying on girls that were still in High School. There is no other word for this man.

Her accusations are highly corroborated. He has vacillated on who he knows and doesn't suddenly know. He had the reputation of a predator of teenage girls. He was on a Mall and YMCA "watch" list because of it.

If the people of Alabama choose to back Judge Moore clear to the Senate it will become apparent that the people of Alabama have lost their moral core.

Either way its a win for Democrats.
He loses we pick up a seat and that majority gets dramatically thinner.
He wins and the issues of sexual harrassment will be an issue that Republicans will be forced to face in a way that will force them to defend their own or stand by millions of women that have been harrassed and either not believed or were too afraid of exactly the responses we have seen happening this past month and for eons before that.




And you lecture on morals....I thought the object of an election was to elect a representative that represents the people....regardless of party?.... :oyvey

Well if a man with the morals that supports, approves or excuses preying on teenage girls still in High School including one that is alleged to have been underage, along with all his other crazy represents the people of Alabama than all it does is confirm everything I and others have been saying.

Beautiful! :unitedstates:

All unproven allegations....I have passed no judgement on Moore or Franken....it's called Due Process....

In fact I am on record for a post saying that I believe Franken should not have resigned....

Your the one pushing for a politically convenient Lynch mob....
If you say so.

:zzz:

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