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Congrats to my friends on the left for winning their 1st special election - re: AL
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Topic Started: Dec 12 2017, 11:18 PM (434 Views)
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Dec 13 2017, 11:34 AM
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There was talk about not seating Moore due to the allegations levied against him. I wonder if they could choose to not seat Jones based on the fact that his victory was due to manipulation by the Washington Post...
Probably not but it would be fun to see them try.
Perhaps you can elaborate on how the Constitutionally protected free press printing news stories that have been fact checked constitutes manipulation and how this so called manipulation by the Washington Post differs from any other news media?
We the people aren't smart enough to think for ourselves and be trusted to make our own judgements when it comes to voting in elections, I guess. Democracy can't go far with that thought, eh?
There is a reason why I said it would be fun to see them try. Now, if I were the folks running things, I might not seat him until Al actually resigns... Well you’ll have ample chances to test your theory - every election from here on out will be riddled with sexual assault allegations.
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Dec 13 2017, 11:36 AM
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There was talk about not seating Moore due to the allegations levied against him. I wonder if they could choose to not seat Jones based on the fact that his victory was due to manipulation by the Washington Post...
Probably not but it would be fun to see them try.
Perhaps you can elaborate on how the Constitutionally protected free press printing news stories that have been fact checked constitutes manipulation and how this so called manipulation by the Washington Post differs from any other news media?
Hey, you guys were all for them not seating Moore despite the fact that the man has never been convicted of anything and there is zero physical evidence to prove that he did any of this. Also, there is zero question that this story was available during the primaries but WaPo waited to publish (oh I'm sure they will claim that they were verifying it or some such nonsense) until after the primary. Possibly though, what does really need to happen is that there needs to be some provision put in there so that the party (RNC or DNC) can choose to replace a candidate who was elected in a primary if something comes out after the primary that wrecks the chances of a victory in the way that this WaPo manipulation did. Had the the RNC been able to replace More with Strange shortly after the WaPo article hit then there is little chance that Jones would have won. This would also maybe limit future attempts to manipulate the voting public by media that have a vested interest in seeing certain candidates win.
It was never about convicting Moore, this is about the open election process system in the US, two completely different things. If that kind of provision was put in place, primary elections would be pointless, no? The party can replace anyone it wants to when it comes to general election regardless who won the primary, and would diss a LOT of voters off. Obviously though something like this is needed. Otherwise we are setting ourselves up for round after round of Gotcha attempts by the media. This one just happened to be more flagrant than most.
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Dec 13 2017, 11:38 AM
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There was talk about not seating Moore due to the allegations levied against him. I wonder if they could choose to not seat Jones based on the fact that his victory was due to manipulation by the Washington Post...
Probably not but it would be fun to see them try.
Perhaps you can elaborate on how the Constitutionally protected free press printing news stories that have been fact checked constitutes manipulation and how this so called manipulation by the Washington Post differs from any other news media?
Hey, you guys were all for them not seating Moore despite the fact that the man has never been convicted of anything and there is zero physical evidence to prove that he did any of this. Also, there is zero question that this story was available during the primaries but WaPo waited to publish (oh I'm sure they will claim that they were verifying it or some such nonsense) until after the primary. Possibly though, what does really need to happen is that there needs to be some provision put in there so that the party (RNC or DNC) can choose to replace a candidate who was elected in a primary if something comes out after the primary that wrecks the chances of a victory in the way that this WaPo manipulation did. Had the the RNC been able to replace More with Strange shortly after the WaPo article hit then there is little chance that Jones would have won. This would also maybe limit future attempts to manipulate the voting public by media that have a vested interest in seeing certain candidates win.
It was never about convicting Moore, this is about the open election process system in the US, two completely different things. If that kind of provision was put in place, primary elections would be pointless, no? The party can replace anyone it wants to when it comes to general election regardless who won the primary, and would diss a LOT of voters off.
Obviously though something like this is needed. Otherwise we are setting ourselves up for round after round of Gotcha attempts by the media. This one just happened to be more flagrant than most. Every single vote by an individual is decided due to influence by one form or another though out what we experienced in life. What makes one specific influence wrong when the other influence factors are legit?
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Dec 13 2017, 11:43 AM
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Hey, you guys were all for them not seating Moore despite the fact that the man has never been convicted of anything and there is zero physical evidence to prove that he did any of this. Also, there is zero question that this story was available during the primaries but WaPo waited to publish (oh I'm sure they will claim that they were verifying it or some such nonsense) until after the primary. Possibly though, what does really need to happen is that there needs to be some provision put in there so that the party (RNC or DNC) can choose to replace a candidate who was elected in a primary if something comes out after the primary that wrecks the chances of a victory in the way that this WaPo manipulation did. Had the the RNC been able to replace More with Strange shortly after the WaPo article hit then there is little chance that Jones would have won. This would also maybe limit future attempts to manipulate the voting public by media that have a vested interest in seeing certain candidates win.
It was never about convicting Moore, this is about the open election process system in the US, two completely different things. If that kind of provision was put in place, primary elections would be pointless, no? The party can replace anyone it wants to when it comes to general election regardless who won the primary, and would diss a LOT of voters off.
Obviously though something like this is needed. Otherwise we are setting ourselves up for round after round of Gotcha attempts by the media. This one just happened to be more flagrant than most.
Every single vote by an individual is decided due to influence by one form or another though out what we experienced in life. What makes one specific influence wrong when the other influence factors are legit? Look, I am not even saying that the stories about Moore are incorrect. They may be 100% valid. What I am saying is that the timing of the release of the story turned Moore from they guy who won the Republican primary and was going to win in a landslide in the regular election to a guy who would not have won the primary.
That much is very clear. WaPo manipulated the timing of the release to fit their liberal agenda. They were seeking to change the balance in the Senate and they achieved their goal. I commend Jeff on the use of his investment to achieve his political goals. I don't think it is good for our republic but I do have to commend the man for figuring out a way to buy a senate seat.
Now the mold has been set for both sides. You find dirt on a leading candidate but you hold it until after they have won the Primary. Then, once the party is in a position that they can't do anything to change candidates you drop the bomb. I fully expect all of the conservative media outlets to jump right on this methodology as we go into the 2018 senate races.
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Dec 13 2017, 12:04 PM
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It was never about convicting Moore, this is about the open election process system in the US, two completely different things. If that kind of provision was put in place, primary elections would be pointless, no? The party can replace anyone it wants to when it comes to general election regardless who won the primary, and would diss a LOT of voters off.
Obviously though something like this is needed. Otherwise we are setting ourselves up for round after round of Gotcha attempts by the media. This one just happened to be more flagrant than most.
Every single vote by an individual is decided due to influence by one form or another though out what we experienced in life. What makes one specific influence wrong when the other influence factors are legit?
Look, I am not even saying that the stories about Moore are incorrect. They may be 100% valid. What I am saying is that the timing of the release of the story turned Moore from they guy who won the Republican primary and was going to win in a landslide in the regular election to a guy who would not have won the primary. That much is very clear. WaPo manipulated the timing of the release to fit their liberal agenda. They were seeking to change the balance in the Senate and they achieved their goal. I commend Jeff on the use of his investment to achieve his political goals. I don't think it is good for our republic but I do have to commend the man for figuring out a way to buy a senate seat. Now the mold has been set for both sides. You find dirt on a leading candidate but you hold it until after they have won the Primary. Then, once the party is in a position that they can't do anything to change candidates you drop the bomb. I fully expect all of the conservative media outlets to jump right on this methodology as we go into the 2018 senate races. And you think Fox News hasn't been doing that already for a long long while???
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Dec 13 2017, 12:12 PM
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Obviously though something like this is needed. Otherwise we are setting ourselves up for round after round of Gotcha attempts by the media. This one just happened to be more flagrant than most.
Every single vote by an individual is decided due to influence by one form or another though out what we experienced in life. What makes one specific influence wrong when the other influence factors are legit?
Look, I am not even saying that the stories about Moore are incorrect. They may be 100% valid. What I am saying is that the timing of the release of the story turned Moore from they guy who won the Republican primary and was going to win in a landslide in the regular election to a guy who would not have won the primary. That much is very clear. WaPo manipulated the timing of the release to fit their liberal agenda. They were seeking to change the balance in the Senate and they achieved their goal. I commend Jeff on the use of his investment to achieve his political goals. I don't think it is good for our republic but I do have to commend the man for figuring out a way to buy a senate seat. Now the mold has been set for both sides. You find dirt on a leading candidate but you hold it until after they have won the Primary. Then, once the party is in a position that they can't do anything to change candidates you drop the bomb. I fully expect all of the conservative media outlets to jump right on this methodology as we go into the 2018 senate races.
And you think Fox News hasn't been doing that already for a long long while??? Of course not, they are after all "Fair and Balanced".
I am certain though that they will look into using the tactic in the future...
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Dec 13 2017, 12:32 PM
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There was talk about not seating Moore due to the allegations levied against him. I wonder if they could choose to not seat Jones based on the fact that his victory was due to manipulation by the Washington Post...
Probably not but it would be fun to see them try.
Perhaps you can elaborate on how the Constitutionally protected free press printing news stories that have been fact checked constitutes manipulation and how this so called manipulation by the Washington Post differs from any other news media?
Hey, you guys were all for them not seating Moore despite the fact that the man has never been convicted of anything and there is zero physical evidence to prove that he did any of this. Also, there is zero question that this story was available during the primaries but WaPo waited to publish (oh I'm sure they will claim that they were verifying it or some such nonsense) until after the primary. Possibly though, what does really need to happen is that there needs to be some provision put in there so that the party (RNC or DNC) can choose to replace a candidate who was elected in a primary if something comes out after the primary that wrecks the chances of a victory in the way that this WaPo manipulation did. Had the the RNC been able to replace More with Strange shortly after the WaPo article hit then there is little chance that Jones would have won. This would also maybe limit future attempts to manipulate the voting public by media that have a vested interest in seeing certain candidates win.
It was never about convicting Moore, this is about the open election process system in the US, two completely different things. If that kind of provision was put in place, primary elections would be pointless, no? The party can replace anyone it wants to when it comes to general election regardless who won the primary, and would diss a LOT of voters off.
Obviously though something like this is needed. Otherwise we are setting ourselves up for round after round of Gotcha attempts by the media. This one just happened to be more flagrant than most. So, what I hear you saying is that no one has ever before had news articles published that reveal negative information about them after a primary when the information could have been published before the primary?
Because if you are, I cal BS.
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I hope Roy Moore sues for recounts and obstructs as much as he can. Dig up dirt on Jones and try to get him impeached. For all the Leftists in office. Restart the House Unamerican Activities Committee. According to Alabama election law, Moore has no legal standing to request a recount which is automatically triggered if the margin of victory is 0.5 percent or less. Moore lost by a margin of 1.5 percent, according to numerous media outlets, which is well above the threshold.
But you do have two legal options - you can blame the Washington post and the victim's, then hold your breath until you turn blue
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Dec 13 2017, 01:31 PM
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The election was laced with fraud. Yup, allegations of massive voter fraud are rising.
http://m.beforeitsnews.com/politics/2017/12/alabama-election-stolen-massive-vote-fraud-deep-state-uses-corrupt-judges-to-seal-democrat-win-2965839.html
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Apparently conservatives now believe that any election that they don't win by double digits must be because of "massive" voter fraud.
Even though they have never once been able to provide credible evidence of said "massive" fraud.
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Every single vote by an individual is decided due to influence by one form or another though out what we experienced in life. What makes one specific influence wrong when the other influence factors are legit?
Look, I am not even saying that the stories about Moore are incorrect. They may be 100% valid. What I am saying is that the timing of the release of the story turned Moore from they guy who won the Republican primary and was going to win in a landslide in the regular election to a guy who would not have won the primary. That much is very clear. WaPo manipulated the timing of the release to fit their liberal agenda. They were seeking to change the balance in the Senate and they achieved their goal. I commend Jeff on the use of his investment to achieve his political goals. I don't think it is good for our republic but I do have to commend the man for figuring out a way to buy a senate seat. Now the mold has been set for both sides. You find dirt on a leading candidate but you hold it until after they have won the Primary. Then, once the party is in a position that they can't do anything to change candidates you drop the bomb. I fully expect all of the conservative media outlets to jump right on this methodology as we go into the 2018 senate races.
And you think Fox News hasn't been doing that already for a long long while???
Of course not, they are after all "Fair and Balanced". I am certain though that they will look into using the tactic in the future... Actually they dropped that slogan already. In any case they have a conservative viewpoint so obviously they are not fair and balanced as anyone can claim. All the negative articles they made about Obama and Hillary in comparison to Repubs is evidence of that, though it seems to only get some people's attention when it happens to them instead.
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There was talk about not seating Moore due to the allegations levied against him. I wonder if they could choose to not seat Jones based on the fact that his victory was due to manipulation by the Washington Post...
Probably not but it would be fun to see them try.
Perhaps you can elaborate on how the Constitutionally protected free press printing news stories that have been fact checked constitutes manipulation and how this so called manipulation by the Washington Post differs from any other news media?
Defamation and libel laws specifically. Checkmate and egg on your face, sore loser
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Dec 13 2017, 04:11 PM
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There was talk about not seating Moore due to the allegations levied against him. I wonder if they could choose to not seat Jones based on the fact that his victory was due to manipulation by the Washington Post...
Probably not but it would be fun to see them try.
Perhaps you can elaborate on how the Constitutionally protected free press printing news stories that have been fact checked constitutes manipulation and how this so called manipulation by the Washington Post differs from any other news media?
Defamation and libel laws specifically.
Checkmate and egg on your face, sore loser I didnt lose anything comrade - I never supported Moore.
And trump is still your potus for at least 3-7 years
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What a load of crap THAT is ...
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There was talk about not seating Moore due to the allegations levied against him. I wonder if they could choose to not seat Jones based on the fact that his victory was due to manipulation by the Washington Post...
Probably not but it would be fun to see them try. Nah....Too Democrat....Way too Hillary....
WAPO/Moore Special Council?....Mmmm?....Just doesn't have the same Trump/Russia....Conspiracy sound to it...
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