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Dear Obama: We just repealed your Obama Care Mandate; You lying, rip off- shister
Topic Started: Dec 20 2017, 06:49 PM (780 Views)
BuckFan

Robertr2000
Dec 20 2017, 07:45 PM
100's of Millions of people are now more responsible than ever for their own health. And their own healthcare.


People with IQ's over 101 Celebrate.
There are almost 400 million people in the US. Most are covered by their employer insurance. So how are "100's of Millions of people now more responsible"?

But 100's of millions will be paying more for their insurance as markets become more unstable, more people lose their insurance and the rest of us end up paying. Oh, and that money those corporations just got in tax cuts? They can put some of that to use paying for the higher insurance premiums that will result from the moves of the Republicans.
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nNeo

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Dec 20 2017, 11:09 PM
The Welfare State.
"Welfare" -- low income entitlement spending -- as a percentage of GDP (or relative to population) has been falling since 2011. It's now below the 40 year average. Obama took office at the peak of a recession.

Social spending as a whole has been going up because baby boomers are retiring en masse, and because health care costs and insurance rates have been rising faster than other expenses, also faster than GDP growth and wages. That's been a trend for at least two decades. Insurance company profits are record high. Coincidence?
Edited by nNeo, Dec 20 2017, 11:41 PM.
“Strong people don’t need strong leaders.”
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More winning.
Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary.
#MAGA
#wallsnotwars
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Obama bankrupted the middle class. Trump is giving the middle class something to celebrate.
Kate Steinle was separated from her family permanently but leftists didn't seem to mind.
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nNeo

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Dec 21 2017, 01:51 AM
Obama bankrupted the middle class.
Citation needed. How did he do this?
(hint: he didn't)
“Strong people don’t need strong leaders.”
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peewee

Tsalagi
Dec 20 2017, 09:06 PM
Alt Right PEPE
Dec 20 2017, 09:02 PM
Coast2coast
Dec 20 2017, 07:10 PM
Thirteen Million people will lose their access to healthcare and conservatives celebrate.

You will be held to run on that. See you all in the voting booth. :rotflmao:











Your numbers don't add up. Obama sacrificed the middle class for the very poor.

(see how Trump got ELECTED!)
I'm middle class, nothing happened to me after the ACA was passed?
I'm not concerned about 13 million people that I do no know, no do they care about me except for that I am paying for their give a way checks each month. They survived somehow before the ACA they can figure it out again.
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nNeo

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Dec 21 2017, 01:51 AM
Trump is giving the middle class something to celebrate.
Only the ones gullible enough to believe him. What's Kato's term? "Grubers"? Yeah, that's it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/12/20/trump-just-admitted-the-gops-tax-cuts-were-deceptively-sold/
“Strong people don’t need strong leaders.”
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nNeo

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Dec 21 2017, 02:30 AM
I'm not concerned about 13 million people that I do no know
It's great to hear you don't give a damn about other people. I wish more folks would come right out and admit it. It appears to be the essence of the new right -- "sod everyone who isn't me". Refreshing honesty there. But the bit you are overlooking is that with the mandate gone, the pools skew to sicker people, which drives prices up for everyone, even you.

Edited by nNeo, Dec 21 2017, 02:52 AM.
“Strong people don’t need strong leaders.”
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Robert Stout
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nNeo
Dec 21 2017, 02:35 AM
peewee
Dec 21 2017, 02:30 AM
I'm not concerned about 13 million people that I do no know
It's great to hear you don't give a damn about other people. I wish more folks would come right out and admit it. It appears to be the essence of the new right -- "sod everyone who isn't me". Refreshing honesty there. But the bit you are overlooking is that with the mandate gone, the pools skew to sicker people, which drives prices up for everyone, even you.

Liberals bend over for pet hamsters if they really care............ :biggrin:
Jesus can raise the dead, but he can't fix stupid
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nNeo
Dec 21 2017, 02:31 AM
Drudge X
Dec 21 2017, 01:51 AM
Trump is giving the middle class something to celebrate.
Only the ones gullible enough to believe him. What's Kato's term? "Grubers"? Yeah, that's it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/12/20/trump-just-admitted-the-gops-tax-cuts-were-deceptively-sold/
Is this the same WaPo doing what they can to skew the election for Jones?
Kate Steinle was separated from her family permanently but leftists didn't seem to mind.
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Obamacare was a tax.

He taxed the middle class to pay for the very poor, simple
"Be polite, be friendly. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet." Gen Mattis
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nNeo
Dec 21 2017, 02:29 AM
Drudge X
Dec 21 2017, 01:51 AM
Obama bankrupted the middle class.
Citation needed. How did he do this?
(hint: he didn't)
He didn't do a damn thing to lift Blacks out of poverty in fact putting more in the unemployment line and food stamp. What makes you think he can stabilize the middle class? Obama is right now thinking if he could only do what Trump has been doing in less than a year by restoring confidence to the American economy. Obama can only dream. Trump is doing one heck of a job at turning Obama into an irrelevant figure to the American people.

http://www.aei.org/spotlight/the-obama-economy-perry/
Kate Steinle was separated from her family permanently but leftists didn't seem to mind.
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Tsalagi
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Dec 21 2017, 10:11 AM
nNeo
Dec 21 2017, 02:29 AM
Drudge X
Dec 21 2017, 01:51 AM
Obama bankrupted the middle class.
Citation needed. How did he do this?
(hint: he didn't)
He didn't do a damn thing to lift Blacks out of poverty in fact putting more in the unemployment line and food stamp. What makes you think he can stabilize the middle class? Obama is right now thinking if he could only do what Trump has been doing in less than a year by restoring confidence to the American economy. Obama can only dream. Trump is doing one heck of a job at turning Obama into an irrelevant figure to the American people.

http://www.aei.org/spotlight/the-obama-economy-perry/
Is that so...because the majority of the American people didn't vote for him? As for food stamps more whites use them then blacks.
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Good guys wear white hats
Coast2coast
Dec 20 2017, 07:10 PM
Thirteen Million people will lose their access to healthcare and conservatives celebrate.

You will be held to run on that. See you all in the voting booth. :rotflmao:











economy is about to rev into high gear

more people with jobs

more people with raises

odds are, this just sealed Trump's re-election in 2020
Republicans sign checks on the front, democrats sign them on the back…True story!
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Robertr2000
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nNeo
Dec 20 2017, 09:44 PM
Alt Right PEPE
Dec 20 2017, 09:02 PM
Obama sacrificed the middle class for the very poor.
No, he didn't. That's certainly the perception that got Trump elected, but it has no basis in reality. The elite benefit by driving a wedge between upper and lower middle class, insulating themselves from what would inevitably happen if working people voted as a block. If you listen to corporate driven media, you'll hear over and over that the problem with the economy is that "those people" are getting too many handouts. If you're bigoted, &/or uneducated, you're especially likely to swallow it. It's a lie. The very rich have been getting richer for the past 35 years. Everyone else has been flat or worse.
It's time to deal baby. Are you going to get with it?
"if that **** wins we'll all hang from nooses"
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BuckFan
Dec 20 2017, 11:25 PM
Robertr2000
Dec 20 2017, 07:45 PM
100's of Millions of people are now more responsible than ever for their own health. And their own healthcare.


People with IQ's over 101 Celebrate.
There are almost 400 million people in the US. Most are covered by their employer insurance. So how are "100's of Millions of people now more responsible"?

But 100's of millions will be paying more for their insurance as markets become more unstable, more people lose their insurance and the rest of us end up paying. Oh, and that money those corporations just got in tax cuts? They can put some of that to use paying for the higher insurance premiums that will result from the moves of the Republicans.
Less Government equals more personal responsibility. Maybe you should try it.











Edited by Robertr2000, Dec 21 2017, 11:22 AM.
"if that **** wins we'll all hang from nooses"
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nNeo

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Dec 21 2017, 10:11 AM
He didn't do a damn thing to lift Blacks out of poverty in fact putting more in the unemployment line and food stamp.
Food stamp spending more than doubled under Bush 43 budgets. It continued to rise during the first few years of Obama's administration because he took office at the peak of a recession. It fell during his second term. Employment has been improving for 7 years running. Trump has made little difference.
“Strong people don’t need strong leaders.”
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nNeo
Dec 20 2017, 06:52 PM
Enjoy paying more for your insurance.
This was a mercy killing, watching ObamaCare die a slow miserable death was too painful. Don't feel bad, ObamaCare was really nothing more than a huge Medicaid expansion and hundreds of billions of dollars of corporate welfare earmarked to the big evil insurance companies. Health insurance you can't afford to use really isn't insurance now is it?

All you have left is Obama tried, he failed miserably but he did try..
"No. No he won't. We'll stop it."
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nNeo

Alt Right PEPE
Dec 21 2017, 10:04 AM
He taxed the middle class to pay for the very poor, simple
False. A typical working class (lower middle income) family paid $90 less net annual federal tax under post-ACA Obama policy. A typical upper middle class family paid about $140 more. De minimis. That certainly didn't bankrupt anyone. See CBO & Tax Policy Center publications, and “Implications of Partial Repeal of the ACA through Reconciliation" Blumberg, Buettgens, Holahan, 2016 for more details on that if you want it.


"The Poor" got very little different than they had under previous administrations, with the exception of health care. Their health care over time would cost less under a functioning ACA than it would via the previous mess of emergency rooms and state aid agencies. A national system would be more efficient of course. If you need a citation, look at cost/benefits for pretty much any other first world country.
“Strong people don’t need strong leaders.”
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nNeo

PATruth
Dec 21 2017, 01:03 PM
ObamaCare was really nothing more than a huge Medicaid expansion and hundreds of billions of dollars of corporate welfare earmarked to the big evil insurance companies.
Your insurance rates are still going to increase.

What insurance do you suggest for the millions of people now covered by the ACA if it ends?
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