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Dear Obama: We just repealed your Obama Care Mandate; You lying, rip off- shister
Topic Started: Dec 20 2017, 06:49 PM (777 Views)
Robertr2000
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Tsalagi
Dec 21 2017, 10:20 PM
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Dec 21 2017, 09:59 PM
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Dec 21 2017, 09:51 PM
nNeo
Dec 21 2017, 01:10 PM

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Your insurance rates are still going to increase.
What do you call every year under ObamaCare? Dramatic Increase?

"What insurance do you suggest for the millions of people now covered by the ACA if it ends?"
Don't care. What did they do before ObamaCare? They'll be fine.
<----- don't care...how we view the lesser of our society is telling of our national character, they also weren't fine....my hospital was filled constantly with those using my ER for their healthcare, in one site, they ran thru their charity care in one month for the whole year funding.
I'm not a socialist.
The ACA wasn't a socialist program...and our country has socialist healthcare programs already in place...the US military and their dependents being a huge beneficiary.
Right. It was fascist program.
"if that **** wins we'll all hang from nooses"
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Dec 21 2017, 10:26 PM
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Dec 21 2017, 09:59 PM
Robertr2000
Dec 21 2017, 09:51 PM

Quoting limited to 5 levels deepYour insurance rates are still going to increase.
What do you call every year under ObamaCare? Dramatic Increase?

"What insurance do you suggest for the millions of people now covered by the ACA if it ends?"
Don't care. What did they do before ObamaCare? They'll be fine.
<----- don't care...how we view the lesser of our society is telling of our national character, they also weren't fine....my hospital was filled constantly with those using my ER for their healthcare, in one site, they ran thru their charity care in one month for the whole year funding.
I'm not a socialist.
The ACA wasn't a socialist program...and our country has socialist healthcare programs already in place...the US military and their dependents being a huge beneficiary.
Right. It was fascist program.
Right....you got your ass spanked just now so you double down and continue to act childish.
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nNeo
Dec 21 2017, 10:19 PM
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Dec 21 2017, 10:16 PM
Like every Government run welfare system....It's the freeloaders that get on board that rob the real 100% deserving people of benefits....
A problem best addressed through better screening and enforcement, not by giving up. That's a bit like saying "we shouldn't have banks, because someone might rob them".

Most independent estimates put waste and fraud in the 2-3% range. Not good, but far from crippling to the programs.
"Most independent estimates put waste and fraud in the 2-3% range" I wouldn't bet parts of my anatomy on that....

Most independent studies are far from independent....time for a bipartisan Government study....
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Robertr2000
Dec 21 2017, 10:24 PM
Who do you think wrote ObamaCare?
You do know that the ACA isn't the bulk of the US healthcare system, right?
“Strong people don’t need strong leaders.”
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Dec 21 2017, 10:31 PM
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Tsalagi
Dec 21 2017, 10:20 PM
Robertr2000
Dec 21 2017, 10:19 PM
Tsalagi
Dec 21 2017, 09:59 PM

Quoting limited to 5 levels deepYour insurance rates are still going to increase.
What do you call every year under ObamaCare? Dramatic Increase?

"What insurance do you suggest for the millions of people now covered by the ACA if it ends?"
Don't care. What did they do before ObamaCare? They'll be fine.
I'm not a socialist.
The ACA wasn't a socialist program...and our country has socialist healthcare programs already in place...the US military and their dependents being a huge beneficiary.
Right. It was fascist program.
Right....you got your ass spanked just now so you double down and continue to act childish.
You forgot to add.... :spank:
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nNeo
Dec 21 2017, 10:21 PM
Robertr2000
Dec 21 2017, 10:18 PM
News flash for ya. The Government does run this system.
You're confused, as usual. We have some government regulation, but insurance companies, doctors, hospitals, drug manufacturers, nurses, etc are private, for-profit for the most part.

What would "free market" mean in this context?
I go back to C2C posting claiming 13 million will lose care and yet during this enrollment period that just ended 8.8 million enrolled. Prior to that 9 million enrolled. If the 13 million is even correct there seems to be a net gain regardless of this, supposed, repeal.
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Seize the day, crush these cokroaches

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Robertr2000
Dec 20 2017, 07:45 PM
100's of Millions of people are now more responsible than ever for their own health. And their own healthcare.


People with IQ's over 101 Celebrate.
It's ok, you can celebrate next time.
Ever notice the only 2 people Trump refuses to speak ill of are Stormy Daniels and Vladimir Putin?
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Robert Stout
Dec 20 2017, 11:19 PM
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Dec 20 2017, 07:10 PM
Thirteen Million people will lose their access to healthcare and conservatives celebrate.

You will be held to run on that. See you all in the voting booth. :rotflmao:











No one is losing access to health insurance....They are losing access to my money to pay for their health insurance....I will save more money by not having to subsidize pet hamsters, than my increased health insurance premiums will cost me....America is stronger when people pay their own bills....Thirteen million pet hamsters would probably vote to also get a free brand new car in their driveway........... :booboo:
I suppose it is better to stop paying for some peoples insurance (through subsidizing) so that we can give the super rich, and corporations a permanent tax cut. / s


Is it hard being such a selfish, uninformed, and angry person?
Edited by StillCrazy1, Dec 21 2017, 11:47 PM.
Ever notice the only 2 people Trump refuses to speak ill of are Stormy Daniels and Vladimir Putin?
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Dec 21 2017, 11:46 PM
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Dec 20 2017, 11:19 PM
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Dec 20 2017, 07:10 PM
Thirteen Million people will lose their access to healthcare and conservatives celebrate.

You will be held to run on that. See you all in the voting booth. :rotflmao:











No one is losing access to health insurance....They are losing access to my money to pay for their health insurance....I will save more money by not having to subsidize pet hamsters, than my increased health insurance premiums will cost me....America is stronger when people pay their own bills....Thirteen million pet hamsters would probably vote to also get a free brand new car in their driveway........... :booboo:
I suppose it is better to stop paying for some peoples insurance (through subsidizing) so that we can give the super rich, and corporations a permanent tax cut. / s


Is it hard being such a selfish, uninformed, and angry person?
Mr Stout’s anger is very well-informed.
Edited by Harambe4Trump, Dec 21 2017, 11:51 PM.
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Dec 21 2017, 11:46 PM
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Dec 20 2017, 11:19 PM
Coast2coast
Dec 20 2017, 07:10 PM
Thirteen Million people will lose their access to healthcare and conservatives celebrate.

You will be held to run on that. See you all in the voting booth. :rotflmao:











No one is losing access to health insurance....They are losing access to my money to pay for their health insurance....I will save more money by not having to subsidize pet hamsters, than my increased health insurance premiums will cost me....America is stronger when people pay their own bills....Thirteen million pet hamsters would probably vote to also get a free brand new car in their driveway........... :booboo:
I suppose it is better to stop paying for some peoples insurance (through subsidizing) so that we can give the super rich, and corporations a permanent tax cut. / s


Is it hard being such a selfish, uninformed, and angry person?
It is extremely easy...You should try it and stop being doorstop for every pet hamster in America....Survival of your family may depend on it...Pet hamsters are not trying to save your azz...They would be happy to bleed you dry.............. :booboo:
Edited by Robert Stout, Dec 22 2017, 01:22 AM.
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Robert Stout
Dec 22 2017, 01:19 AM
StillCrazy1
Dec 21 2017, 11:46 PM
Robert Stout
Dec 20 2017, 11:19 PM
Coast2coast
Dec 20 2017, 07:10 PM
Thirteen Million people will lose their access to healthcare and conservatives celebrate.

You will be held to run on that. See you all in the voting booth. :rotflmao:











No one is losing access to health insurance....They are losing access to my money to pay for their health insurance....I will save more money by not having to subsidize pet hamsters, than my increased health insurance premiums will cost me....America is stronger when people pay their own bills....Thirteen million pet hamsters would probably vote to also get a free brand new car in their driveway........... :booboo:
I suppose it is better to stop paying for some peoples insurance (through subsidizing) so that we can give the super rich, and corporations a permanent tax cut. / s


Is it hard being such a selfish, uninformed, and angry person?
It is extremely easy...You should try it and stop being doorstop for every pet hamster in America....Survival of your family may depend on it...Pet hamsters are not trying to save your azz...They would be happy to bleed you dry.............. :booboo:
Bobby....It's not so easy....your talking about the Democrat's voter base.... :oyvey
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Dec 21 2017, 10:34 PM
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Dec 21 2017, 10:24 PM
Who do you think wrote ObamaCare?
You do know that the ACA isn't the bulk of the US healthcare system, right?
You didn't answer the question.
"if that **** wins we'll all hang from nooses"
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nNeo
Dec 21 2017, 10:34 PM
Robertr2000
Dec 21 2017, 10:24 PM
Who do you think wrote ObamaCare?
You do know that the ACA isn't the bulk of the US healthcare system, right?
nNeo, are you confusing the ACA with the Exchanges?

I assure you that the ACA does indeed apply to every single aspect of all medical care and medical insurance in the USA.
Edited by Demagogue, Dec 22 2017, 11:22 AM.
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As to the OP claim that "We just repealed your Obama Care Mandate":

All that has happened is that the individual mandate penalties have been eliminated. ALL of the rules and regulations in the ACA still apply.

So, I would not be expecting insurance premiums to go down anytime soon. There is still quite a bit of work that needs to be done. Personally I think they should go for something similar to what Australia has if they are going to change anything. The ACA was supposed to put the brakes on the ever increasing cost of health care in the USA. It failed to do that. The system that Australia implemented has managed to do that.

No system is perfect but what they are doing there seems like the closest thing to a compromise.
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Dec 22 2017, 11:22 AM
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Dec 21 2017, 10:34 PM
Robertr2000
Dec 21 2017, 10:24 PM
Who do you think wrote ObamaCare?
You do know that the ACA isn't the bulk of the US healthcare system, right?
nNeo, are you confusing the ACA with the Exchanges?

I assure you that the ACA does indeed apply to every single aspect of all medical care and medical insurance in the USA.
You're conflating regulation with ownership. That's like saying "my house had to comply with building codes, so the county is solely responsible for it". The ACA is the law of the land, but the bulk of the healthcare system is not owned or managed by the government. Doctors, insurance companies, nurses, drug companies, and many other related service providers are private, for profit entities. The claim that government is largely responsible for rising costs isn't supportable. Absent of regulation, there would be more price gouging, fraud, and less access. In certain regards a more "free" market might foster competition and lower specific prices, but overall you can't do better than the largest pool possible -- everyone -- and will be more efficient by eliminating rent-taking middlemen, which of course is why the private insurance industry spends so much on campaigns.
Edited by nNeo, Dec 22 2017, 11:34 AM.
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Dec 22 2017, 11:33 AM
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Dec 22 2017, 11:22 AM
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Dec 21 2017, 10:34 PM
Robertr2000
Dec 21 2017, 10:24 PM
Who do you think wrote ObamaCare?
You do know that the ACA isn't the bulk of the US healthcare system, right?
nNeo, are you confusing the ACA with the Exchanges?

I assure you that the ACA does indeed apply to every single aspect of all medical care and medical insurance in the USA.
You're conflating regulation with ownership. That's like saying "my house had to comply with building codes, so the county is solely responsible for it". The ACA is the law of the land, but the bulk of the healthcare system is not owned or managed by the government. Doctors, insurance companies, nurses, drug companies, and many other related service providers are private, for profit entities. The claim that government is largely responsible for rising costs isn't supportable. Absent of regulation, there would be more price gouging, fraud, and less access. In certain regards a more "free" market might foster competition and lower specific prices, but overall you can't do better than the largest pool possible -- everyone -- and will be more efficient by eliminating rent-taking middlemen, which of course is why the private insurance industry spends so much on campaigns.
Who do you think wrote Obamacare (Bill)?
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nNeo
Dec 22 2017, 11:33 AM
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Dec 22 2017, 11:22 AM
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Dec 21 2017, 10:34 PM
Robertr2000
Dec 21 2017, 10:24 PM
Who do you think wrote ObamaCare?
You do know that the ACA isn't the bulk of the US healthcare system, right?
nNeo, are you confusing the ACA with the Exchanges?

I assure you that the ACA does indeed apply to every single aspect of all medical care and medical insurance in the USA.
You're conflating regulation with ownership. That's like saying "my house had to comply with building codes, so the county is solely responsible for it". The ACA is the law of the land, but the bulk of the healthcare system is not owned or managed by the government. Doctors, insurance companies, nurses, drug companies, and many other related service providers are private, for profit entities. The claim that government is largely responsible for rising costs isn't supportable. Absent of regulation, there would be more price gouging, fraud, and less access. In certain regards a more "free" market might foster competition and lower specific prices, but overall you can't do better than the largest pool possible -- everyone -- and will be more efficient by eliminating rent-taking middlemen, which of course is why the private insurance industry spends so much on campaigns.
The ACA is an incredibly complex law that tried to do far too much. It certainly has created some increases in costs but it is not necessarily responsible for all increased insurance costs. The problem is that the ACA was supposed to reduce costs or at least reduce the rate of increase and it has failed at that. Of course nobody should be surprised by this, the ACA was based on Romney care and the costs of Romney care spun out of control too.

Our system before the ACA had issues. The truly socialized systems in various places around the world also have issues. Certainly our system under the ACA has issues. From what I have seen thus far the best compromise is what Australia did. At the very least it has been successful in limiting the increases in health care costs.
Edited by Demagogue, Dec 22 2017, 11:40 AM.
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Personally I think they should go for something similar to what Australia has if they are going to change anything. The ACA was supposed to put the brakes on the ever increasing cost of health care in the USA. It failed to do that. The system that Australia implemented has managed to do that.
Agree, that seems like a good transition model.
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Dec 22 2017, 11:39 AM
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Dec 22 2017, 11:30 AM
Personally I think they should go for something similar to what Australia has if they are going to change anything. The ACA was supposed to put the brakes on the ever increasing cost of health care in the USA. It failed to do that. The system that Australia implemented has managed to do that.
Agree, that seems like a good transition model.
Disagree. Socialist Healthcare is always the wrong way to go.
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