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Trump signs bill allowing the murder of hibernating animals.
Topic Started: Dec 25 2017, 10:14 AM (694 Views)
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Dec 26 2017, 02:30 PM
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Dec 26 2017, 02:20 PM
"In reality, however, most of those practices were already prohibited to sport hunters under Alaska law, and some of them, including hunting coyotes in their dens and killing hibernating bears and cubs, were permitted to subsistence hunters even under the federal regulations."

Murder of hibernating animals?? Snopes is fake news...
Native Americans are not subject to game laws on their reservations.....They have been known to hunt bald eagles................. :oyvey
Yes, sacrificing bald eagles has been a Native American practice for decades. It is done to appease the Casino Gods and increase cigarette sales.
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Dec 26 2017, 02:20 PM
"In reality, however, most of those practices were already prohibited to sport hunters under Alaska law, and some of them, including hunting coyotes in their dens and killing hibernating bears and cubs, were permitted to subsistence hunters even under the federal regulations."

Murder of hibernating animals?? Snopes is fake news...
Native Americans are not subject to game laws on their reservations.....They have been known to hunt bald eagles................. :oyvey
which reservation is this, and you're incorrect on the status of the Bald Eagle, it is illegal to kill one, it is not however illegal to take feathers which have moulted off.

So just where did you pull that tidbit from?
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Dec 26 2017, 07:24 AM
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Dec 25 2017, 09:32 PM
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Dec 25 2017, 05:39 PM
Ringo hunting quail? Apparently it's ok to use a bow but arrows are not required :biggrin:

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Well first off City Boy :biggrin: ....that's not a quail. But when we were kids down on the border near Esperanza we used to stalk quail coveys into sand thickets, surround them then rush in and grab them before they could take flight. Lots of fun for kids runnin wild like heathens down on the ranch.
Wilmy the great knower of all....fails again.... :lol:
Hey I see clone's back. Why don't you go warm your nose. :biggrin:

Was it a quail or a pheasant ???....The whole world wants to know ........... :lol:
Pheasant...of the Ringed Neck variety....
Edited by clone, Dec 26 2017, 03:21 PM.
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Dec 26 2017, 02:20 PM
"In reality, however, most of those practices were already prohibited to sport hunters under Alaska law, and some of them, including hunting coyotes in their dens and killing hibernating bears and cubs, were permitted to subsistence hunters even under the federal regulations."

Murder of hibernating animals?? Snopes is fake news...
Native Americans are not subject to game laws on their reservations.....They have been known to hunt bald eagles................. :oyvey
Yes, sacrificing bald eagles has been a Native American practice for decades. It is done to appease the Casino Gods and increase cigarette sales.
ironic that we lost several wars to the white man, when all we had to do is to appease his insatiable greed at the casino..wish we'd have thought of it decades ago.
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Dec 26 2017, 02:20 PM
"In reality, however, most of those practices were already prohibited to sport hunters under Alaska law, and some of them, including hunting coyotes in their dens and killing hibernating bears and cubs, were permitted to subsistence hunters even under the federal regulations."

Murder of hibernating animals?? Snopes is fake news...
Native Americans are not subject to game laws on their reservations.....They have been known to hunt bald eagles................. :oyvey
Yes, sacrificing bald eagles has been a Native American practice for decades. It is done to appease the Casino Gods and increase cigarette sales.
ironic that we lost several wars to the white man, when all we had to do is to appease his insatiable greed at the casino..wish we'd have thought of it decades ago.
Nonsense...you guys thought you got the better of deal when you traded some beads for Manhattan....

and there is a reason there is the term "Indian Giver"

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Ringo hunting quail? Apparently it's ok to use a bow but arrows are not required :biggrin:

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quail.... LOL! :tongue:
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Dec 26 2017, 02:20 PM
"In reality, however, most of those practices were already prohibited to sport hunters under Alaska law, and some of them, including hunting coyotes in their dens and killing hibernating bears and cubs, were permitted to subsistence hunters even under the federal regulations."

Murder of hibernating animals?? Snopes is fake news...
Native Americans are not subject to game laws on their reservations.....They have been known to hunt bald eagles................. :oyvey
which reservation is this, and you're incorrect on the status of the Bald Eagle, it is illegal to kill one, it is not however illegal to take feathers which have moulted off.

So just where did you pull that tidbit from?
Navajo poachers who sell the feathers to Hollywood celebrities.......... :)
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"In reality, however, most of those practices were already prohibited to sport hunters under Alaska law, and some of them, including hunting coyotes in their dens and killing hibernating bears and cubs, were permitted to subsistence hunters even under the federal regulations."

Murder of hibernating animals?? Snopes is fake news...
Native Americans are not subject to game laws on their reservations.....They have been known to hunt bald eagles................. :oyvey
Yes, sacrificing bald eagles has been a Native American practice for decades. It is done to appease the Casino Gods and increase cigarette sales.
ironic that we lost several wars to the white man, when all we had to do is to appease his insatiable greed at the casino..wish we'd have thought of it decades ago.
Nothing ironic about losing a war to technologically advanced people. Tribal people were easy pickings for more advanced Europeans, just ask the Africans. If your people would have had the advantage I would expect they would have exploited it as well.
Edited by PATruth, Dec 27 2017, 10:21 AM.
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If anyone ever murders a den of hibernating animals, they better not ever tell me about it.
That's all I'm saying.
By definition only a human can murder another human. There is no such definition, or law, that allows for a human to murder an animal. Animal abuse can occur. A question arises here. Why would anyone kill or abuse a hibernating animal in the first place and how often would it occur on a daily basis? Do we have bigger problems than this? Why did you post this thread?
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Dec 27 2017, 10:42 AM
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If anyone ever murders a den of hibernating animals, they better not ever tell me about it.
That's all I'm saying.
By definition only a human can murder another human. There is no such definition, or law, that allows for a human to murder an animal. Animal abuse can occur. A question arises here. Why would anyone kill or abuse a hibernating animal in the first place and how often would it occur on a daily basis? Do we have bigger problems than this? Why did you post this thread?
It's murder.

And I posted it to reveal the truth about Trump and the GOP.

They are cruel, heartless bastards with no souls.

The real leftists are the silenced majority, the sleeping giant.
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peewee
Dec 27 2017, 10:42 AM
_g R_
Dec 25 2017, 10:18 AM
If anyone ever murders a den of hibernating animals, they better not ever tell me about it.
That's all I'm saying.
By definition only a human can murder another human. There is no such definition, or law, that allows for a human to murder an animal. Animal abuse can occur. A question arises here. Why would anyone kill or abuse a hibernating animal in the first place and how often would it occur on a daily basis? Do we have bigger problems than this? Why did you post this thread?
It's murder.

And I posted it to reveal the truth about Trump and the GOP.

They are cruel, heartless bastards with no souls.

Animal/pest control is now murder? I'm assuming you are a vegetarian?

Someone needs counseling and fast...
"No. No he won't. We'll stop it."
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Dec 27 2017, 12:26 PM
peewee
Dec 27 2017, 10:42 AM
_g R_
Dec 25 2017, 10:18 AM
If anyone ever murders a den of hibernating animals, they better not ever tell me about it.
That's all I'm saying.
By definition only a human can murder another human. There is no such definition, or law, that allows for a human to murder an animal. Animal abuse can occur. A question arises here. Why would anyone kill or abuse a hibernating animal in the first place and how often would it occur on a daily basis? Do we have bigger problems than this? Why did you post this thread?
It's murder.

And I posted it to reveal the truth about Trump and the GOP.

They are cruel, heartless bastards with no souls.

Animal/pest control is now murder? I'm assuming you are a vegetarian? Do you pay people to murder animals for your consumption? Does that make you a murderer as well?

Someone needs counseling and fast...
"No. No he won't. We'll stop it."
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Dec 27 2017, 12:32 PM
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Dec 27 2017, 12:26 PM
peewee
Dec 27 2017, 10:42 AM
_g R_
Dec 25 2017, 10:18 AM
If anyone ever murders a den of hibernating animals, they better not ever tell me about it.
That's all I'm saying.
By definition only a human can murder another human. There is no such definition, or law, that allows for a human to murder an animal. Animal abuse can occur. A question arises here. Why would anyone kill or abuse a hibernating animal in the first place and how often would it occur on a daily basis? Do we have bigger problems than this? Why did you post this thread?
It's murder.

And I posted it to reveal the truth about Trump and the GOP.

They are cruel, heartless bastards with no souls.

Animal/pest control is now murder? I'm assuming you are a vegetarian?

Someone needs counseling and fast...
Let's ask Alaskans what they think of it.

I would predict at least 90% of them would oppose allowing the feds to hire professional killers to fly in and slaughter families of hibernating wolves and bears

( pests as you call them )
The real leftists are the silenced majority, the sleeping giant.
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Dec 27 2017, 12:32 PM
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Dec 27 2017, 10:42 AM
_g R_
Dec 25 2017, 10:18 AM
If anyone ever murders a den of hibernating animals, they better not ever tell me about it.
That's all I'm saying.
By definition only a human can murder another human. There is no such definition, or law, that allows for a human to murder an animal. Animal abuse can occur. A question arises here. Why would anyone kill or abuse a hibernating animal in the first place and how often would it occur on a daily basis? Do we have bigger problems than this? Why did you post this thread?
It's murder.

And I posted it to reveal the truth about Trump and the GOP.

They are cruel, heartless bastards with no souls.

Animal/pest control is now murder? I'm assuming you are a vegetarian?

Someone needs counseling and fast...
Let's ask Alaskans what they think of it.

I would predict at least 90% of them would oppose allowing the feds to hire professional killers to fly in and slaughter families of hibernating wolves and bears

( pests as you call them )
I'm all for allowing Alaskans to make the decision, in fact that's exactly what this law does. Try reading the article.

"The repealed restrictions were enacted in 2016 by the Fish and Wildlife Service after years of disputes between the U.S. government and the state of Alaska over the legality of such practices as bear baiting, hunting via aircraft, killing hibernating bears, and “denning” (killing wolves, coyotes, and offspring in their dens) on or near federally protected lands."
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Dec 27 2017, 10:42 AM

Quoting limited to 5 levels deepIf anyone ever murders a den of hibernating animals, they better not ever tell me about it.
That's all I'm saying.
It's murder.

And I posted it to reveal the truth about Trump and the GOP.

They are cruel, heartless bastards with no souls.

Animal/pest control is now murder? I'm assuming you are a vegetarian?

Someone needs counseling and fast...
Let's ask Alaskans what they think of it.

I would predict at least 90% of them would oppose allowing the feds to hire professional killers to fly in and slaughter families of hibernating wolves and bears

( pests as you call them )
I'm all for allowing Alaskans to make the decision, in fact that's exactly what this law does. Try reading the article.

"The repealed restrictions were enacted in 2016 by the Fish and Wildlife Service after years of disputes between the U.S. government and the state of Alaska over the legality of such practices as bear baiting, hunting via aircraft, killing hibernating bears, and “denning” (killing wolves, coyotes, and offspring in their dens) on or near federally protected lands."
Well here's my take on it.This whole thing stinks of big oil being involved, as I said before --to hire hunters to 'trailblaze' ahead of the road- builders and drilling crews--cost-effective
for safety and insurance purposes if nothing else.

And I do often consider being a vegetarian after seeing and knowing the horrifying ways that farm animals are mistreated and abused.
And as for so-called 'hunters' who would shoot hibernating bear or wolf cubs - even for money or under orders, I would ask them how they would feel seeing someone come into their homes and murder their wives and children .


Edited by _g R_, Dec 27 2017, 01:21 PM.
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Dec 27 2017, 12:26 PM

Quoting limited to 5 levels deepIf anyone ever murders a den of hibernating animals, they better not ever tell me about it.
That's all I'm saying.
It's murder.

And I posted it to reveal the truth about Trump and the GOP.

They are cruel, heartless bastards with no souls.

Animal/pest control is now murder? I'm assuming you are a vegetarian?

Someone needs counseling and fast...
Let's ask Alaskans what they think of it.

I would predict at least 90% of them would oppose allowing the feds to hire professional killers to fly in and slaughter families of hibernating wolves and bears

( pests as you call them )
I'm all for allowing Alaskans to make the decision, in fact that's exactly what this law does. Try reading the article.

"The repealed restrictions were enacted in 2016 by the Fish and Wildlife Service after years of disputes between the U.S. government and the state of Alaska over the legality of such practices as bear baiting, hunting via aircraft, killing hibernating bears, and “denning” (killing wolves, coyotes, and offspring in their dens) on or near federally protected lands."
Well here's my take on it.This whole thing stinks of big oil being involved, as I said before --to hire hunters to 'trailblaze' ahead of the road- builders and drilling crews--cost-effective
for safety and insurance purposes if nothing else.

And I do often consider being a vegetarian after seeing and knowing the horrifying ways that farm animals are mistreated and abused.
And as for so-called 'hunters' who would shoot hibernating bear or wolf cubs - even for money or under orders, I would ask him how he would feel seeing someone came into his house and murdered his wife and children .


These are professionals trusted with the long term viability of native species. As previously stated these rule do not apply to individuals or hunters. Thinning herds or even relocating them is sometimes necessary. Their actions often appear inhumane but are decisions intended for long term benefit. No normal person wants to see animal cruelty, especially hunters. This isn't about animal cruelty, it's more about state control over state resources. I understand your concern for animals, I share your concern but please stop using the term murder, it is inappropriate.
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PATruth
Dec 27 2017, 12:32 PM

Quoting limited to 5 levels deepIf anyone ever murders a den of hibernating animals, they better not ever tell me about it.
That's all I'm saying.
It's murder.

And I posted it to reveal the truth about Trump and the GOP.

They are cruel, heartless bastards with no souls.
Let's ask Alaskans what they think of it.

I would predict at least 90% of them would oppose allowing the feds to hire professional killers to fly in and slaughter families of hibernating wolves and bears

( pests as you call them )
I'm all for allowing Alaskans to make the decision, in fact that's exactly what this law does. Try reading the article.

"The repealed restrictions were enacted in 2016 by the Fish and Wildlife Service after years of disputes between the U.S. government and the state of Alaska over the legality of such practices as bear baiting, hunting via aircraft, killing hibernating bears, and “denning” (killing wolves, coyotes, and offspring in their dens) on or near federally protected lands."
Well here's my take on it.This whole thing stinks of big oil being involved, as I said before --to hire hunters to 'trailblaze' ahead of the road- builders and drilling crews--cost-effective
for safety and insurance purposes if nothing else.

And I do often consider being a vegetarian after seeing and knowing the horrifying ways that farm animals are mistreated and abused.
And as for so-called 'hunters' who would shoot hibernating bear or wolf cubs - even for money or under orders, I would ask him how he would feel seeing someone came into his house and murdered his wife and children .


These are professionals trusted with the long term viability of native species. As previously stated these rule do not apply to individuals or hunters. Thinning herds or even relocating them is sometimes necessary. Their actions often appear inhumane but are decisions intended for long term benefit. No normal person wants to see animal cruelty, especially hunters. This isn't about animal cruelty, it's more about state control over state resources. I understand your concern for animals, I share your concern but please stop using the term murder, it is inappropriate.
Of course, compared to for example hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians disappearing as a result of relentless collateral damage
from US bombs and bullets, this doesn't seem quite as bad.

How's that for 'friendly language'. Can't call soldiers "murderers " can we ? That's unpatriotic. They just follow orders-the real murderers wear ties and tell lies.
Not trying to sound like Cornel West .


Edited by _g R_, Dec 27 2017, 01:44 PM.
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Quoting limited to 5 levels deepIf anyone ever murders a den of hibernating animals, they better not ever tell me about it.
That's all I'm saying.
It's murder.

And I posted it to reveal the truth about Trump and the GOP.

They are cruel, heartless bastards with no souls.
Let's ask Alaskans what they think of it.

I would predict at least 90% of them would oppose allowing the feds to hire professional killers to fly in and slaughter families of hibernating wolves and bears

( pests as you call them )
I'm all for allowing Alaskans to make the decision, in fact that's exactly what this law does. Try reading the article.

"The repealed restrictions were enacted in 2016 by the Fish and Wildlife Service after years of disputes between the U.S. government and the state of Alaska over the legality of such practices as bear baiting, hunting via aircraft, killing hibernating bears, and “denning” (killing wolves, coyotes, and offspring in their dens) on or near federally protected lands."
Well here's my take on it.This whole thing stinks of big oil being involved, as I said before --to hire hunters to 'trailblaze' ahead of the road- builders and drilling crews--cost-effective
for safety and insurance purposes if nothing else.

And I do often consider being a vegetarian after seeing and knowing the horrifying ways that farm animals are mistreated and abused.
And as for so-called 'hunters' who would shoot hibernating bear or wolf cubs - even for money or under orders, I would ask him how he would feel seeing someone came into his house and murdered his wife and children .


These are professionals trusted with the long term viability of native species. As previously stated these rule do not apply to individuals or hunters. Thinning herds or even relocating them is sometimes necessary. Their actions often appear inhumane but are decisions intended for long term benefit. No normal person wants to see animal cruelty, especially hunters. This isn't about animal cruelty, it's more about state control over state resources. I understand your concern for animals, I share your concern but please stop using the term murder, it is inappropriate.
Of course, compared to for example hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians disappearing as a result of relentless collateral damage
from US bombs and bullets, this doesn't seem quite as bad.

How's that for 'friendly language'. Can't call soldiers "murderers " can we ? That's unpatriotic. They just follow orders-the real murderers wear ties and tell lies.
Not trying to sound like Cornel West .


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