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| What do whites think we minorities mean as regards "white priviledge"; Are we talking about the same concept | |
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| Tsalagi | Dec 28 2017, 09:58 AM Post #1 |
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Ever since Obama, our first non-white President was elected, I have heard these words uttered by whites on both the Left and the Right, and as one of the few minorities on this site, I wonder if there aren't two discussions going on about just what we minorities refer to when we talk about "white priviledge" and its implications. I'm not looking for angry rhetoric (that's you Atta), nor am I looking for cheese memes (that's you clone), or misplaced anger issues (that's you la passionaria), or endless tirades bout "lying liberals" (that's you kato). I'd like to hear what you guys thinks we minorities mean when we talk bout the subject, and just see if we are actually having the same discussion? Edited by Tsalagi, Dec 28 2017, 09:59 AM.
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| Demagogue | Dec 28 2017, 10:47 AM Post #2 |
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Tsal, I have attempted several times to sit though various videos where "white privilege" is explained from the point of view of a minority. Over the past couple years I have heard that term bandied about on a regular basis and it has now reached the point that it has almost no real meaning but of course it can mean anything to anyone who needs it as a crutch. Just another excuse about why its "harder" for a minority to succeed bla bla bla. Essentially, "white privilege" is the new catch all excuse for any failure a minority has in life. If you did not get an A on your exam in high school - white privilege. Did they never call you in for a second interview at a job where you applied? White Privilege. Did your company not get that job it was bidding on? White Privilege. Did they turn you down on your home loan application for a house that costs 12 times what you earn yearly? White Privilege. Did you get arrested for smoking weed while driving? White Privilege. I could go on, but I think you get the picture. Here is the bottom line. Race baiters like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have abused the term "racism" for so long now that it essentially has no meaning. At some point, most folks stopped caring when a minority screamed racism. Faced with the loss of this tool in their excuse arsenal the race baiters and people who give seminars or college courses on "race relations" and other such basket weaving nonsense had to come up with a new term. So, "White Privilege" was born to take the place of the weakened battle cry of "racism". Edited by Demagogue, Dec 28 2017, 11:31 AM.
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| PATruth | Dec 28 2017, 11:25 AM Post #3 |
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I have no idea what "white privilege" means, I've never experienced any preferential treatment. Would my "white privilege" got me into the same schools as Obama attended given his dismal high have school performance? I didn't know Ivy League schools wanted young men who spent their formative years in a drug induced haze, rarely attending classes? I've been pulled over and ticketed plenty of times, I just couldn't blame it on my race. When I was in banking we were "encouraged" to hire minorities, no one was encouraged to hire me. My roommate and friend, a black guy wanted to get fired from the company we both worked at. He had another job lined up and wanted the severance and a little time off before he started his new job. Despite his best efforts, coming in late, taking long lunches and doing as little as possible they didn't fire him. Maybe someone can explain the "white privilege" I've enjoy because I've never experienced it. Every company thinks long and hard before they fire a minority employee, white men have no protection.
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| Tsalagi | Dec 28 2017, 11:42 AM Post #4 |
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It seems both of you stick to the "individual actions" perspective...myself...I've always thought to go for the bigger picture..the ebb and flow of a society and it's view...it's an intangible and thus difficult to argue for or against. I look at how every field of endeavor is overwhelmingly still dominated by whites, and why is it that we minorities either don't embrace these fields, military,financial, scientific, political, medical, etc..or feel that they won't get their foot in the door...what on a society-level sits in the back of a minority's head with such a belief. When I walk into a jewelry store, why am I followed and not the white man, why is he served before me...is there a subconscious action by the clerk..or a subconscious anger on my part that is completely unwarranted, and if it is warranted...how should it be addressed. Not saying you D or Pa haven't earned each of your accolades and personal successes, but up until 1964 when the Civil Rights Act was passed...to many minorities, certainly my own kind, white priviledge was a very real thing. It's harder to continue that philosophy certainly in an age when we have programs out the wazoo to assist minorities gain a level field in life as how it could be compared to their grandfather's time. As D has said, race pimps (and I concede there are) have thrown out that word so often to the point that any real perception of racism is dismissed out of hand.. |
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| PATruth | Dec 28 2017, 12:01 PM Post #5 |
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From 1973 until 2012, a total of 66 black American women earned physics doctorates—mostly PhD’s—in US colleges. During that same amount of time, 22,172 white men earned their doctorates. These totals only include US citizens or permanent residents who earned their doctorates in the US, not Americans who received a PhD from another country or international students in the US. The vast majority—97.9%—earned PhD’s, though a small number earned other kinds of doctorates, like education. https://qz.com/432756/in-39-years-us-physics-doctorates-went-to-66-black-women-and-22000-white-men/ If you aren't willing to do the work, don't expect the rewards. |
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| Tsalagi | Dec 28 2017, 12:07 PM Post #6 |
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Yes...but what is behind their subconscious rationale that if they do the work...they won't get the rewards.. |
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| PATruth | Dec 28 2017, 12:21 PM Post #7 |
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Maybe excuses are what is behind their subconscious rationale ..... The answer is simple, do what it takes. No one handed those 22,172 white men their their doctorates. When you look in the mirror and see a victim you are bound to fail. |
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| Demagogue | Dec 28 2017, 12:39 PM Post #8 |
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Certain people are genetically predisposed to certain things. Generally speaking, men are better at certain types of math. This has nothing to do with "male privilege" and everything to do with genetics. Does that mean that women can not do this math? Certainly not. it just means that a higher percentage of men than women will lean towards this field due to the ease with which they have early success. You used a jewelry store as an example. Now I live in Florida so it may be different but down here, the clerks are looking for a sale because they get a piece of it. If I walk in there wearing a cammo carhartt t-shirt and jeans at the same time that a black man wearing a bespoke suit enters the store then I will 100% guarantee that the clerk will go to him first and wait on him hand and foot. Now, I could be worth 10 times what the guy in the custom suite is worth but due to my attire the clerk will assume that the larger sale will come from the man wearing the suit. You are attributing race to something that has nothing to do with race and everything to do with greed and the perception of who is the best customer. I remember years ago I had a buddy that worked industrial sales for car dealer chain that had pretty much every US make spread out among several dealerships. Anyway, one day he was at the Caddy dealer dropping of a vehicle they had ordered for their service department. I was with him because it was a saturday and we were heading to a ball game after he did this drop off. So while he was in back I was hanging in the show room. The sales guys knew I was with him so they ignored me. Anyway, it was an ok day for business and while I was waiting a guy walks in wearing overalls that were a little dirty and starts looking at the Deville. No sales people approach him. after a few minutes a lady comes in and they pounce on her like vultures, nobody helps the guy as he is looking at the other big Caddy's on the floor. This routine repeats itself a couple times and the guy gets near where I was looking at one of the two door models they had back then. I start talking to the guy. Turns out he owns the largest waste disposal company in the area and is there to buy his wife a car and at this point he has been there a good 15 minutes and nobody has offered to help him while others have been offered help some of them more than once. He and I are talking about the merits of the various cars (me just being a fan of automobiles) and my buddy gets done and asks if I am ready to go. I of course tell my buddy we can go whenever but first he needs to talk to the gentleman standing beside me. We missed the start of the game we were going to but my friend sold two Cadillacs that day to a man who did not need financing. The other sales people (the ones actually working for the Caddy dealer) were livid but they had ignored the guy because of how he looked. Over the next decade my friend sold that guy over 50 vehicles because he refused to deal with anyone else. The point being, people make assumptions on appearance all the time and no racism or white privilege has to be involved for them to treat one person differently than they treat others. Edited by Demagogue, Dec 28 2017, 12:41 PM.
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| Robertr2000 | Dec 28 2017, 01:08 PM Post #9 |
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"White Privilege" Conspiracy theory
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| Robertr2000 | Dec 28 2017, 01:20 PM Post #10 |
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T- Whites and Asians (in general) simply have higher IQ's than Non-Whites and Non-Asians. This is fact. M.I.T. (Massachusetts Institute of Technology Degree Program) ![]() https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_Europe_EAsia_averageIQ_scattergraph.png ![]() ![]() I'm sorry, but there it is. Edited by Robertr2000, Dec 28 2017, 01:20 PM.
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| Tsalagi | Dec 28 2017, 01:24 PM Post #11 |
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It's simple to say it's just excuses...easier I suppose then to look at your entire society and attempt to judge group-think mentality. |
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| Tsalagi | Dec 28 2017, 01:26 PM Post #12 |
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Bull...some of history's greatest minds were not white....the Incans and Mayans were highly rated civilizations and there are still monuments done by Ancient Egypt that Western Europe hasn't been able to reproduce. |
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| Harambe4Trump | Dec 28 2017, 01:28 PM Post #13 |
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White privilege is a concept created by an illegitimate globalist elite to justify the dispossession of Euro—Americans and to rob the people of a means by which to resist their lowering wages, declining social capital, and rotting culture. If you dissent, you are a racist. |
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Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary. #MAGA #wallsnotwars | |
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| Tsalagi | Dec 28 2017, 01:29 PM Post #14 |
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D and PA have given thoughtful answers to my question, you are just trolling it...please refrain from posting until you can actually join the conversation. |
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| Harambe4Trump | Dec 28 2017, 01:30 PM Post #15 |
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If white privilege were real, whites would not be declining from 90% of the population to minority status, nor would they be a minority in nearly every major city which their ancestors built, nor would their sons be discriminated against in employment and education. Nor would the white population be witnessing a decline in their life expectancy. Edited by Harambe4Trump, Dec 28 2017, 01:32 PM.
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Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary. #MAGA #wallsnotwars | |
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| Harambe4Trump | Dec 28 2017, 01:31 PM Post #16 |
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I’m not giving you the answer you are comfortable with. You can’t refute any of what I just wrote. |
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Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary. #MAGA #wallsnotwars | |
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| Harambe4Trump | Dec 28 2017, 01:34 PM Post #17 |
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Modern Egyptians have different genetics than the Ancients. DNA discovery reveals genetic history of ancient Egyptians https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/06/22/health/ancient-egypt-mummy-dna-genome-heritage/index.html |
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Skipping leg day is the equivalent of a woman having an abortion. You're ashamed of it, and it was probably unnecessary. #MAGA #wallsnotwars | |
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| Robertr2000 | Dec 28 2017, 01:39 PM Post #18 |
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Oh I agree T. but, look at the statistics (facts) You T might be the smartest person here on Pcom. But you would part of the exception to your race. You succeeded because you're smarter (and worked harder). Yes or no? Just like Whites and Asians are smarter and work harder. That's why people succeed. Not because the color of their skin. It's in the DNA. There is no conspiracy to keep you (your race/s) down. |
| "if that **** wins we'll all hang from nooses" | |
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| Robertr2000 | Dec 28 2017, 01:40 PM Post #19 |
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Indeed. |
| "if that **** wins we'll all hang from nooses" | |
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| Tsalagi | Dec 28 2017, 02:00 PM Post #20 |
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Your junk science shouldn't even have the word "science" attached to it...it's the same methodology that Mengele used against Jews. Never said there was a conspiracy...I tend to argue the position most of the mentality is subconscious, not even aware of how it influences their opinions. The Cheyenne, Sioux, and Arapaho were some of the finest lite cavalrymen in the world...does that mean they are genetically disposed to working with horses more? The Salish and Kulak of the Northwest were fishermen..are they disposed to working on the water better? Genetics was also used as excuse as to why blacks were kept out of professional sports that they were genetically more animal, thus more agile and stronger then white players, thus they had an advantage and shouldn't be allowed to play against whites. Edited by Tsalagi, Dec 28 2017, 02:01 PM.
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