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The Truth About Power and Capitalism.; Has the Economy Hit a New Crisis Milestone ?
Topic Started: Dec 31 2017, 10:58 AM (523 Views)
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In response to the passage of the GOP tax bill, many voices are now offering variations on the theme of "speak truth to power." It's true enough that tax overhaul, coming after 30 years of widening inequality, widens it further. It is likewise yet another exercise in trickle-down economics, the policy promise that direct economic help to corporations and the rich will eventually lift up the rest of us. The GOP and Trump conveniently disregard the countless economists who have shown that trickle-down is a false promise.

However, the limitation of "speaking truth to power" is and always was that it risks leaving us with the truth and them with the power. In today's world, the GOP, Trump and the corporate leaders who sustain them have the power to treat truths as so much "fake news" or simply to ignore them as they push their agendas. For the truth to become socially effective, it needs an alliance with an oppositional power able and willing to contest the ruling power.

In the US, until the 1970s, when truth meant advocating for a form of capitalism with a human face -- regulated markets, safety nets, progressive taxation, generous public services -- it could be allied chiefly to the Democratic Party and contest against the GOP. Likewise, for those who defined truth as advocating for a laissez-faire form of capitalism -- deregulation, privatization, a reduced public sector -- they could and did ally chiefly with the GOP and contest against the Democrats. But those connections between truth and power have changed since the 1970s, when moderate laissez-faire economics (neoliberalism) captured the Democratic Party and an extreme laissez-faire ideology captured the Republican Party.

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Edited by _g R_, Dec 31 2017, 11:02 AM.
The real leftists are the silenced majority, the sleeping giant.
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Edited by _g R_, Dec 31 2017, 11:23 AM.
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The truth about socialism, Venezuela, it is the future of every socialist economy.

The Trump economy has added 6 trillion in stock market value. Successful hard working people LOVE capitalism, socialism and Marxism is for losers.
Edited by PATruth, Dec 31 2017, 11:29 AM.
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Dec 31 2017, 11:24 AM
The truth about socialism, Venezuela, it is the future of every socialist economy.

The Trump economy has added 6 trillion in stock market value. Successful hard working people LOVE capitalism, socialism and Marxism is for losers.
CIA chief hints agency is working to change Venezuelan government.
The US has a long and bloody history of meddling in Latin America's affairs.


The head of the CIA has suggested the agency is working to change the elected government of Venezuela and is collaborating with two countries in the region to do so.

In one of the clearest clues yet about Washington’s latest meddling in the politics of Latin America, CIA director Mike Pompeo said he was “hopeful that there can be a transition in Venezuela and we the CIA is doing its best to understand the dynamic there”.

He added: “I was just down in Mexico City and in Bogota a week before last talking about this very issue, trying to help them understand the things they might do so that they can get a better outcome for their part of the world and our part of the world.”


Edited by _g R_, Dec 31 2017, 11:37 AM.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/19/cia-admits-role-1953-iranian-coup

The CIA has publicly admitted for the first time that it was behind the notorious 1953 coup against Iran's democratically elected prime minister Mohammad Mosaddeq, in documents that also show how the British government tried to block the release of information about its own involvement in his overthrow.

On the 60th anniversary of an event often invoked by Iranians as evidence of western meddling, the US national security archive at George Washington University published a series of declassified CIA documents.
Edited by _g R_, Jan 1 2018, 01:20 PM.
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The truth about capitalism is that it is far superior to centralization/socialism - in every metric.
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_g R_
Jan 1 2018, 01:20 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/19/cia-admits-role-1953-iranian-coup

The CIA has publicly admitted for the first time that it was behind the notorious 1953 coup against Iran's democratically elected prime minister Mohammad Mosaddeq, in documents that also show how the British government tried to block the release of information about its own involvement in his overthrow.

On the 60th anniversary of an event often invoked by Iranians as evidence of western meddling, the US national security archive at George Washington University published a series of declassified CIA documents.
According to liberals, Russia meddling in elections is so subtle, it takes years of investigation to uncover....As for Iran, the British made us do it............ :lol:
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PATruth
Dec 31 2017, 11:24 AM
The truth about socialism, Venezuela, it is the future of every socialist economy.

The Trump economy has added 6 trillion in stock market value. Successful hard working people LOVE capitalism, socialism and Marxism is for losers.
Someone prefering a different s**tty economic system over the s**tty ecnomic system you prefer makes them a loser?

Grow up, your stupidity and bigotry are unneeded.
Ever notice the only 2 people Trump refuses to speak ill of are Stormy Daniels and Vladimir Putin?
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Jan 2 2018, 01:07 AM
PATruth
Dec 31 2017, 11:24 AM
The truth about socialism, Venezuela, it is the future of every socialist economy.

The Trump economy has added 6 trillion in stock market value. Successful hard working people LOVE capitalism, socialism and Marxism is for losers.
Someone prefering a different s**tty economic system over the s**tty ecnomic system you prefer makes them a loser?

Grow up, your stupidity and bigotry are unneeded.
If you prefer Venezuelan economics then you prefer democide.

Gladly bigoted towards that position. :)
Edited by estonianman, Jan 2 2018, 01:13 AM.
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Dec 31 2017, 11:24 AM
The truth about socialism, Venezuela, it is the future of every socialist economy.

The Trump economy has added 6 trillion in stock market value. Successful hard working people LOVE capitalism, socialism and Marxism is for losers.
Someone prefering a different s**tty economic system over the s**tty ecnomic system you prefer makes them a loser?

Grow up, your stupidity and bigotry are unneeded.
I have grown up. I love capitalism, it allows me to sell my skills to the highest bidder. It provides unprecedented freedom and convenience. I have so many wonderful products available to me 24/7 with so many companies competing for my dollars. I have a beautiful house, a garage full of toys, three cars, a motorcycle, I travel the world, I have excellent healthcare and plenty of money in the bank. Capitalism is the best of all possible worlds! If it wasn't for liberals creating poverty and stealing my money the US would be like heaven on earth.

Like I said, socialism is for losers, if the shoe fits, wear it...
Edited by PATruth, Jan 2 2018, 10:45 AM.
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_g R_
Dec 31 2017, 10:58 AM
The Big Picture

In response to the passage of the GOP tax bill, many voices are now offering variations on the theme of "speak truth to power." It's true enough that tax overhaul, coming after 30 years of widening inequality, widens it further. It is likewise yet another exercise in trickle-down economics, the policy promise that direct economic help to corporations and the rich will eventually lift up the rest of us. The GOP and Trump conveniently disregard the countless economists who have shown that trickle-down is a false promise.

However, the limitation of "speaking truth to power" is and always was that it risks leaving us with the truth and them with the power. In today's world, the GOP, Trump and the corporate leaders who sustain them have the power to treat truths as so much "fake news" or simply to ignore them as they push their agendas. For the truth to become socially effective, it needs an alliance with an oppositional power able and willing to contest the ruling power.

In the US, until the 1970s, when truth meant advocating for a form of capitalism with a human face -- regulated markets, safety nets, progressive taxation, generous public services -- it could be allied chiefly to the Democratic Party and contest against the GOP. Likewise, for those who defined truth as advocating for a laissez-faire form of capitalism -- deregulation, privatization, a reduced public sector -- they could and did ally chiefly with the GOP and contest against the Democrats. But those connections between truth and power have changed since the 1970s, when moderate laissez-faire economics (neoliberalism) captured the Democratic Party and an extreme laissez-faire ideology captured the Republican Party.

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Most people are completely ignorant as to the reality of what "Money" is.








(Hey Opinionated, care to chime in here?)
Edited by Robertr2000, Jan 2 2018, 11:39 AM.
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Jan 2 2018, 11:37 AM

Continued here
TruthOut
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Most people are completely ignorant as to the reality of what "Money" is.

(Hey Opinionated, care to chime in here?)



Still, the National Debt was under a trillion dollars before Reaganomics began.

There was plenty of time to reverse what Nixon did .
Edited by _g R_, Jan 2 2018, 11:54 AM.
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Jan 2 2018, 10:45 AM
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Jan 2 2018, 01:07 AM
PATruth
Dec 31 2017, 11:24 AM
The truth about socialism, Venezuela, it is the future of every socialist economy.

The Trump economy has added 6 trillion in stock market value. Successful hard working people LOVE capitalism, socialism and Marxism is for losers.
Someone prefering a different s**tty economic system over the s**tty ecnomic system you prefer makes them a loser?

Grow up, your stupidity and bigotry are unneeded.
I have grown up. I love capitalism, it allows me to sell my skills to the highest bidder. It provides unprecedented freedom and convenience. I have so many wonderful products available to me 24/7 with so many companies competing for my dollars. I have a beautiful house, a garage full of toys, three cars, a motorcycle, I travel the world, I have excellent healthcare and plenty of money in the bank. Capitalism is the best of all possible worlds! If it wasn't for liberals creating poverty and stealing my money the US would be like heaven on earth.

Like I said, socialism is for losers, if the shoe fits, wear it...
I concur with PAtruth - I have travelled the world, i've experienced socialism first hand - the quality of life in the United States far surpasses that of centrally planned economies.
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In less than 40 years America has witnessed a $20 Trillion shift in wealth from the middle class and poor to the top, while at the same time running up another $20 Trillion in national debt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tym9AhMNcP0

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Jan 2 2018, 11:56 AM
In socialist Venezuela you can fit a trillion dollars in your back pocket :)
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Jan 2 2018, 11:51 AM
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Jan 2 2018, 11:37 AM

Continued here
TruthOut
(Nixon video)
Most people are completely ignorant as to the reality of what "Money" is.

(Hey Opinionated, care to chime in here?)



Still, the National Debt was under a trillion dollars before Reaganomics began.

There was plenty of time to reverse what Nixon did .
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Jan 2 2018, 11:58 AM
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Jan 2 2018, 11:56 AM
In socialist Venezuela you can fit a trillion dollars in your back pocket :)
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Jan 2 2018, 11:58 AM
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Jan 2 2018, 11:56 AM
In socialist Venezuela you can fit a trillion dollars in your back pocket :)
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While true - it has nothing to do with capitalism
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Jan 2 2018, 11:56 AM
In less than 40 years America has witnessed a $20 Trillion shift in wealth from the middle class and poor to the top, while at the same time running up another $20 Trillion in national debt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tym9AhMNcP0

Edited by Robertr2000, Jan 2 2018, 12:13 PM.
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