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Why must states required to follow federal law on marriage but not immigration?
Topic Started: Jan 3 2018, 09:13 PM (646 Views)
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Jan 3 2018, 09:13 PM
Can an honest leftist answer this?

If say, Mississippi refused to honor gay marriage license, leftists demand to lock up that person and withhold federal aid.
But if states refused to comply with immigration law, leftists claim states' right.
Do you understand the concepts of civil rights, equal treatment under the law, reciprocity, and the 14 amendment? If you did, you would understand why marriage licenses are required to be honored across state lines.

But very little of that applies to immigration law. Immigration is, as per the U.S. Constitution, a federal matter. The feds determine how many immigrants will be let into the country. The feds determine what the requirements are for immigrants to enter the country, within Constitutional boundaries, of course. The feds can even forbid the states from determining how many immigrants any particular state is willing to accept.

And yet, when the feds get to call all the shots and make all the determinations, you expect the individual states to fully cooperate, when such cooperation isn't required under the Constitution, nor is it even implied, with all federal requests regarding immigration?

Why would they?
Got it. So you and Tsal claimed elected officials placed in office by citizens have no moral obligations to keep the citizens safe.
^^ likes to make crap up and then state we have said this very thing.
That's a standard procedure for Drudge.



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Jan 3 2018, 09:13 PM
Can an honest leftist answer this?

If say, Mississippi refused to honor gay marriage license, leftists demand to lock up that person and withhold federal aid.
But if states refused to comply with immigration law, leftists claim states' right.
Do you understand the concepts of civil rights, equal treatment under the law, reciprocity, and the 14 amendment? If you did, you would understand why marriage licenses are required to be honored across state lines.

But very little of that applies to immigration law. Immigration is, as per the U.S. Constitution, a federal matter. The feds determine how many immigrants will be let into the country. The feds determine what the requirements are for immigrants to enter the country, within Constitutional boundaries, of course. The feds can even forbid the states from determining how many immigrants any particular state is willing to accept.

And yet, when the feds get to call all the shots and make all the determinations, you expect the individual states to fully cooperate, when such cooperation isn't required under the Constitution, nor is it even implied, with all federal requests regarding immigration?

Why would they?
Got it. So you and Tsal claimed elected officials placed in office by citizens have no moral obligations to keep the citizens safe.
^^ likes to make crap up and then state we have said this very thing.
That's a standard procedure for Drudge.



Nonfeasance of office is popular in California............ :rollseyes:
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Jan 3 2018, 09:13 PM
Can an honest leftist answer this?

If say, Mississippi refused to honor gay marriage license, leftists demand to lock up that person and withhold federal aid.
But if states refused to comply with immigration law, leftists claim states' right.
Do you understand the concepts of civil rights, equal treatment under the law, reciprocity, and the 14 amendment? If you did, you would understand why marriage licenses are required to be honored across state lines.

But very little of that applies to immigration law. Immigration is, as per the U.S. Constitution, a federal matter. The feds determine how many immigrants will be let into the country. The feds determine what the requirements are for immigrants to enter the country, within Constitutional boundaries, of course. The feds can even forbid the states from determining how many immigrants any particular state is willing to accept.

And yet, when the feds get to call all the shots and make all the determinations, you expect the individual states to fully cooperate, when such cooperation isn't required under the Constitution, nor is it even implied, with all federal requests regarding immigration?

Why would they?
Got it. So you and Tsal claimed elected officials placed in office by citizens have no moral obligations to keep the citizens safe.
So if a person on parole commits a crime you also charge his parole officer along with the parole board?

Tsalgi is correct. The door you wish to open is impractable and has no boundaries.



The wall can reduce the number of criminal activities and importation of criminals. Works great for Israel and Hungary.
Edited by Drudge X, Jan 4 2018, 09:26 PM.
Kate Steinle was separated from her family permanently but leftists didn't seem to mind.
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Coast2coast
Jan 4 2018, 06:24 PM
Drudge X
Jan 4 2018, 05:26 PM
Opinionated
Jan 4 2018, 03:09 PM
Drudge X
Jan 3 2018, 09:13 PM
Can an honest leftist answer this?

If say, Mississippi refused to honor gay marriage license, leftists demand to lock up that person and withhold federal aid.
But if states refused to comply with immigration law, leftists claim states' right.
Do you understand the concepts of civil rights, equal treatment under the law, reciprocity, and the 14 amendment? If you did, you would understand why marriage licenses are required to be honored across state lines.

But very little of that applies to immigration law. Immigration is, as per the U.S. Constitution, a federal matter. The feds determine how many immigrants will be let into the country. The feds determine what the requirements are for immigrants to enter the country, within Constitutional boundaries, of course. The feds can even forbid the states from determining how many immigrants any particular state is willing to accept.

And yet, when the feds get to call all the shots and make all the determinations, you expect the individual states to fully cooperate, when such cooperation isn't required under the Constitution, nor is it even implied, with all federal requests regarding immigration?

Why would they?
Got it. So you and Tsal claimed elected officials placed in office by citizens have no moral obligations to keep the citizens safe.
So if a person on parole commits a crime you also charge his parole officer along with the parole board?

Tsalgi is correct. The door you wish to open is impractable and has no boundaries.



The wall can reduce the number of criminal activities and importation of criminals. Works great for Israel and Hungary.
"The Wall" :blackheli:

You best grab some bricks and get down there. :rotflmao:

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Got it. So you and Tsal claimed elected officials placed in office by citizens have no moral obligations to keep the citizens safe.
So if a person on parole commits a crime you also charge his parole officer along with the parole board?

Tsalgi is correct. The door you wish to open is impractable and has no boundaries.



The wall can reduce the number of criminal activities and importation of criminals. Works great for Israel and Hungary.
"The Wall" :blackheli:

You best grab some bricks and get down there. :rotflmao:

Can't dispute that since Israel built the wall, suicide bombings subsided from daily occurrence to near zero.
Edited by Drudge X, Jan 4 2018, 10:19 PM.
Kate Steinle was separated from her family permanently but leftists didn't seem to mind.
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Jan 4 2018, 03:09 PM
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Jan 3 2018, 09:13 PM
Can an honest leftist answer this?

If say, Mississippi refused to honor gay marriage license, leftists demand to lock up that person and withhold federal aid.
But if states refused to comply with immigration law, leftists claim states' right.
Do you understand the concepts of civil rights, equal treatment under the law, reciprocity, and the 14 amendment? If you did, you would understand why marriage licenses are required to be honored across state lines.

But very little of that applies to immigration law. Immigration is, as per the U.S. Constitution, a federal matter. The feds determine how many immigrants will be let into the country. The feds determine what the requirements are for immigrants to enter the country, within Constitutional boundaries, of course. The feds can even forbid the states from determining how many immigrants any particular state is willing to accept.

And yet, when the feds get to call all the shots and make all the determinations, you expect the individual states to fully cooperate, when such cooperation isn't required under the Constitution, nor is it even implied, with all federal requests regarding immigration?

Why would they?
Got it. So you and Tsal claimed elected officials placed in office by citizens have no moral obligations to keep the citizens safe.
Fully cooperating with the federal government and assisting them in deporting illegals whose only crimes are being illegal and a misdemeanor criminal violation isn't really about keeping people "safe".

You seem to lump all illegals into the same category, hardened criminals and/or members of MS13. Most of them are in fact just fairly ordinary people trying to improve their lot in life by working hard and making a buck.
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So if a person on parole commits a crime you also charge his parole officer along with the parole board?

Tsalgi is correct. The door you wish to open is impractable and has no boundaries.



The wall can reduce the number of criminal activities and importation of criminals. Works great for Israel and Hungary.
"The Wall" :blackheli:

You best grab some bricks and get down there. :rotflmao:

Can't dispute that since Israel built the wall, suicide bombings subsided from daily occurrence to near zero.
Suicide bomber attacks by Mexican illegal immigrants is a big problem here in the States? Can you link up the stats on that? I was unaware...
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Last I heard, the governor takes an oath to defend this country against domestic and foreign enemies before taking office.
Who do they take the oath to? Nobody.
Ever notice the only 2 people Trump refuses to speak ill of are Stormy Daniels and Vladimir Putin?
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Quoting limited to 5 levels deep
The wall can reduce the number of criminal activities and importation of criminals. Works great for Israel and Hungary.
"The Wall" :blackheli:

You best grab some bricks and get down there. :rotflmao:

Can't dispute that since Israel built the wall, suicide bombings subsided from daily occurrence to near zero.
Suicide bomber attacks by Mexican illegal immigrants is a big problem here in the States? Can you link up the stats on that? I was unaware...
That's cheap even for you.

Meanwhile in Hungary..

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/09/16/hungary-builds-a-wall-cuts-illegal-immigration-by-over-99-per-cent/
Kate Steinle was separated from her family permanently but leftists didn't seem to mind.
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Drudge X
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Quoting limited to 5 levels deep
So if a person on parole commits a crime you also charge his parole officer along with the parole board?

Tsalgi is correct. The door you wish to open is impractable and has no boundaries.



The wall can reduce the number of criminal activities and importation of criminals. Works great for Israel and Hungary.
"The Wall" :blackheli:

You best grab some bricks and get down there. :rotflmao:

Can't dispute that since Israel built the wall, suicide bombings subsided from daily occurrence to near zero.
Correlation is not causation.

Before the wall in 1999 israeli deaths =8

After the wall in 2005 israeli deaths = 53

Source

Ever notice the only 2 people Trump refuses to speak ill of are Stormy Daniels and Vladimir Putin?
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One (gay marriage) is a Constitutional issue, changeable only by amendment. The other (immigration) is merely a law, which is subject to change by act of Congress.

More fail from drudge. Nice phony comparison.
After careful reading of the US Constitution I am unable to find any mention of homosexuality or Gays............... :rotflmao:
It doesn't need to.

See the 9th amendment.

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Ever notice the only 2 people Trump refuses to speak ill of are Stormy Daniels and Vladimir Putin?
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Jan 4 2018, 09:46 PM
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Jan 4 2018, 09:25 PM
Coast2coast
Jan 4 2018, 06:24 PM

Quoting limited to 5 levels deep
The wall can reduce the number of criminal activities and importation of criminals. Works great for Israel and Hungary.
"The Wall" :blackheli:

You best grab some bricks and get down there. :rotflmao:

Can't dispute that since Israel built the wall, suicide bombings subsided from daily occurrence to near zero.
Correlation is not causation.

Before the wall in 1999 israeli deaths =8

After the wall in 2005 israeli deaths = 53

Source

But in this case, it is. This isn't academia. How many suicide bombings prior to the wall being built?

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2015/oct/02/scott-walker/scott-walker-israel-says-its-wall-led-90-percent-r/
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Quoting limited to 5 levels deep
"The Wall" :blackheli:

You best grab some bricks and get down there. :rotflmao:

Can't dispute that since Israel built the wall, suicide bombings subsided from daily occurrence to near zero.
Suicide bomber attacks by Mexican illegal immigrants is a big problem here in the States? Can you link up the stats on that? I was unaware...
That's cheap even for you.

Meanwhile in Hungary..

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/09/16/hungary-builds-a-wall-cuts-illegal-immigration-by-over-99-per-cent/
You're the one touting the reduced number of suicide bombers Israel has suffered since building their wall. Clearly you must think we're facing the same issue.

Here's a hint, we're not.

And it will be a cold day in hell before I agree to using Israel as a role model for the U.S.
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Can an honest leftist answer this?

If say, Mississippi refused to honor gay marriage license, leftists demand to lock up that person and withhold federal aid.
But if states refused to comply with immigration law, leftists claim states' right.
Do you understand the concepts of civil rights, equal treatment under the law, reciprocity, and the 14 amendment? If you did, you would understand why marriage licenses are required to be honored across state lines.

But very little of that applies to immigration law. Immigration is, as per the U.S. Constitution, a federal matter. The feds determine how many immigrants will be let into the country. The feds determine what the requirements are for immigrants to enter the country, within Constitutional boundaries, of course. The feds can even forbid the states from determining how many immigrants any particular state is willing to accept.

And yet, when the feds get to call all the shots and make all the determinations, you expect the individual states to fully cooperate, when such cooperation isn't required under the Constitution, nor is it even implied, with all federal requests regarding immigration?

Why would they?
Got it. So you and Tsal claimed elected officials placed in office by citizens have no moral obligations to keep the citizens safe.
Fully cooperating with the federal government and assisting them in deporting illegals whose only crimes are being illegal and a misdemeanor criminal violation isn't really about keeping people "safe".

You seem to lump all illegals into the same category, hardened criminals and/or members of MS13. Most of them are in fact just fairly ordinary people trying to improve their lot in life by working hard and making a buck.
Drunk driving illegals have killed hundreds of citizens............. :oyvey
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Coast2coast
Jan 4 2018, 09:46 PM

Quoting limited to 5 levels deep
Can't dispute that since Israel built the wall, suicide bombings subsided from daily occurrence to near zero.
Suicide bomber attacks by Mexican illegal immigrants is a big problem here in the States? Can you link up the stats on that? I was unaware...
That's cheap even for you.

Meanwhile in Hungary..

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/09/16/hungary-builds-a-wall-cuts-illegal-immigration-by-over-99-per-cent/
You're the one touting the reduced number of suicide bombers Israel has suffered since building their wall. Clearly you must think we're facing the same issue.

Here's a hint, we're not.

And it will be a cold day in hell before I agree to using Israel as a role model for the U.S.
Antisemite............... :mad:
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