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Topic Started: Jan 6 2018, 01:49 AM (429 Views)
Harambe4Trump
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nNeo
Jan 8 2018, 11:47 AM
ringotuna
Jan 8 2018, 02:35 AM
Think of it as reaching near critical mass, where the numbers are inching toward what they call 'full employment'.
I don't think you are disproving 'Tik's central point, though I appreciate and generally agree with your assessment. What is most significant is that employment crashed after the recession, but had largely recovered before Trump took office. I don't expect miracles from Trump, but some of his supporters do, or are crediting him unduly for "turning around" an economy that's actually been on an upward trend for some years.
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RaiderNation
Jan 8 2018, 01:07 PM
So, in other words, as usual, the truth is somewhere between the two extreme views.

No, neither of us expressed an "extreme" view, or significantly spun an interpretation. The numbers are what they are. Job figures improved during Obama's tenure, as the economy recovered from recession. There isn't a lot of room left for more improvement. Trump deserves neither credit nor blame for most of the "big picture" around employment currently. We'll see what happens from here.
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nNeo
Jan 8 2018, 01:29 PM
RaiderNation
Jan 8 2018, 01:07 PM
So, in other words, as usual, the truth is somewhere between the two extreme views.

No, neither of us expressed an "extreme" view, or significantly spun an interpretation. The numbers are what they are. Job figures improved during Obama's tenure, as the economy recovered from recession. There isn't a lot of room left for more improvement. Trump deserves neither credit nor blame for most of the "big picture" around employment currently. We'll see what happens from here.
My point was that neither you nor ringo nor Tik expressed an extreme view. My bad for the confusion.

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Jan 8 2018, 01:44 PM
My point was that neither you nor ringo nor Tik expressed an extreme view.
Ah, i see. Right, i agree.

Also worth repeating that presidents generally have a lot less to do with the economy than most people realize. A huge mistake will eff things up, but most of the policies that matter are set by other parts of government, and market forces usually have more influence. Presidents have very little ability to "create jobs", and while regulation, or lack thereof, can affect speculation in certain industries, it doesn't grow or shrink the economy as a whole.

Wars, on the other hand, are expensive as heck. Every time we start one, there's a short-mid term mild stimulus, followed by a massive increase in debt. That needs to stop.
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nNeo
Jan 8 2018, 11:47 AM
ringotuna
Jan 8 2018, 02:35 AM
Think of it as reaching near critical mass, where the numbers are inching toward what they call 'full employment'.
I don't think you are disproving 'Tik's central point, though I appreciate and generally agree with your assessment. What is most significant is that employment crashed after the recession, but had largely recovered before Trump took office. I don't expect miracles from Trump, but some of his supporters do, or are crediting him unduly for "turning around" an economy that's actually been on an upward trend for some years.
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nNeo
Jan 8 2018, 11:47 AM
ringotuna
Jan 8 2018, 02:35 AM
Think of it as reaching near critical mass, where the numbers are inching toward what they call 'full employment'.
I don't think you are disproving 'Tik's central point, though I appreciate and generally agree with your assessment. What is most significant is that employment crashed after the recession, but had largely recovered before Trump took office. I don't expect miracles from Trump, but some of his supporters do, or are crediting him unduly for "turning around" an economy that's actually been on an upward trend for some years.
Well. for the record, no where in my analysis did I credit Trump for "turning around" the economy. It was well on the way to recovery at the end of Obama's administration, and reaching that "critical mass". I made several salient points regarding the transition period between administrations. Credit and blame is difficult to asses during those periods. What I gave Tik was a more objective unbiased, thoughtful and intelligent assessment of the data. One that goes beyond the marginally intellectual bilateral arguments we see here on a daily basis. I showed him how the downward trend was significantly ebbed between 2016 & 17. In a transition year it is foolish to assign credit or blame, which is what tik appears to be doing. I think that was quite sufficient to counter his unstated point which was "nanny nanny boo boo...look how much better Obama did."

Whether he is bright enough to understand it or not?...who knows? :dunno: Given his latest post on this thread and his apparent fear of engaging in an adult conversation here...I seriously doubt it.
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nNeo
Jan 8 2018, 02:02 PM
RaiderNation
Jan 8 2018, 01:44 PM
My point was that neither you nor ringo nor Tik expressed an extreme view.
Ah, i see. Right, i agree.

Also worth repeating that presidents generally have a lot less to do with the economy than most people realize. A huge mistake will eff things up, but most of the policies that matter are set by other parts of government, and market forces usually have more influence. Presidents have very little ability to "create jobs", and while regulation, or lack thereof, can affect speculation in certain industries, it doesn't grow or shrink the economy as a whole.

Wars, on the other hand, are expensive as heck. Every time we start one, there's a short-mid term mild stimulus, followed by a massive increase in debt. That needs to stop.
Good point. I was hoping to make that point later in the discussion. But I'm afraid explaining it to tik earlier would cause him a sensory overload...and besides he's too cowardly to engage beyond ankle biting cartoons. So sad. :biggrin:
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ringotuna
Jan 8 2018, 04:38 PM
nNeo
Jan 8 2018, 11:47 AM
ringotuna
Jan 8 2018, 02:35 AM
Think of it as reaching near critical mass, where the numbers are inching toward what they call 'full employment'.
I don't think you are disproving 'Tik's central point, though I appreciate and generally agree with your assessment. What is most significant is that employment crashed after the recession, but had largely recovered before Trump took office. I don't expect miracles from Trump, but some of his supporters do, or are crediting him unduly for "turning around" an economy that's actually been on an upward trend for some years.
Well. for the record, no where in my analysis did I credit Trump for "turning around" the economy. It was well on the way to recovery at the end of Obama's administration, and reaching that "critical mass". I made several salient points regarding the transition period between administrations. Credit and blame is difficult to asses during those periods. What I gave Tik was a more objective unbiased, thoughtful and intelligent assessment of the data. One that goes beyond the marginally intellectual bilateral arguments we see here on a daily basis. I showed him how the downward trend was significantly ebbed between 2016 & 17. In a transition year it is foolish to assign credit or blame, which is what tik appears to be doing. I think that was quite sufficient to counter his unstated point which was "nanny nanny boo boo...look how much better Obama did."

Whether he is bright enough to understand it or not?...who knows? :dunno: Given his latest post on this thread and his apparent fear of engaging in an adult conversation here...I seriously doubt it.
Actually, my intent was to show that the economy had been improving during obama's time
You made an ASSumption regarding my intent and rather sneakily tried to draw me into a gotcha trap
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Jan 8 2018, 07:32 PM
ringotuna
Jan 8 2018, 04:38 PM
nNeo
Jan 8 2018, 11:47 AM
ringotuna
Jan 8 2018, 02:35 AM
Think of it as reaching near critical mass, where the numbers are inching toward what they call 'full employment'.
I don't think you are disproving 'Tik's central point, though I appreciate and generally agree with your assessment. What is most significant is that employment crashed after the recession, but had largely recovered before Trump took office. I don't expect miracles from Trump, but some of his supporters do, or are crediting him unduly for "turning around" an economy that's actually been on an upward trend for some years.
Well. for the record, no where in my analysis did I credit Trump for "turning around" the economy. It was well on the way to recovery at the end of Obama's administration, and reaching that "critical mass". I made several salient points regarding the transition period between administrations. Credit and blame is difficult to asses during those periods. What I gave Tik was a more objective unbiased, thoughtful and intelligent assessment of the data. One that goes beyond the marginally intellectual bilateral arguments we see here on a daily basis. I showed him how the downward trend was significantly ebbed between 2016 & 17. In a transition year it is foolish to assign credit or blame, which is what tik appears to be doing. I think that was quite sufficient to counter his unstated point which was "nanny nanny boo boo...look how much better Obama did."

Whether he is bright enough to understand it or not?...who knows? :dunno: Given his latest post on this thread and his apparent fear of engaging in an adult conversation here...I seriously doubt it.
Actually, my intent was to show that the economy had been improving during obama's time
You made an ASSumption regarding my intent and rather sneakily tried to draw me into a gotcha trap
LOL ^^^ So predictable.
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I understand your trepidation. You'll probably need that wiggle room later in the discussion when you try to yabbutt your way out of this lesson.
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ringotuna
Jan 9 2018, 02:53 AM
Adolph Hipster
Jan 8 2018, 07:32 PM
ringotuna
Jan 8 2018, 04:38 PM
nNeo
Jan 8 2018, 11:47 AM
ringotuna
Jan 8 2018, 02:35 AM
Think of it as reaching near critical mass, where the numbers are inching toward what they call 'full employment'.
I don't think you are disproving 'Tik's central point, though I appreciate and generally agree with your assessment. What is most significant is that employment crashed after the recession, but had largely recovered before Trump took office. I don't expect miracles from Trump, but some of his supporters do, or are crediting him unduly for "turning around" an economy that's actually been on an upward trend for some years.
Well. for the record, no where in my analysis did I credit Trump for "turning around" the economy. It was well on the way to recovery at the end of Obama's administration, and reaching that "critical mass". I made several salient points regarding the transition period between administrations. Credit and blame is difficult to asses during those periods. What I gave Tik was a more objective unbiased, thoughtful and intelligent assessment of the data. One that goes beyond the marginally intellectual bilateral arguments we see here on a daily basis. I showed him how the downward trend was significantly ebbed between 2016 & 17. In a transition year it is foolish to assign credit or blame, which is what tik appears to be doing. I think that was quite sufficient to counter his unstated point which was "nanny nanny boo boo...look how much better Obama did."

Whether he is bright enough to understand it or not?...who knows? :dunno: Given his latest post on this thread and his apparent fear of engaging in an adult conversation here...I seriously doubt it.
Actually, my intent was to show that the economy had been improving during obama's time
You made an ASSumption regarding my intent and rather sneakily tried to draw me into a gotcha trap
LOL ^^^ So predictable.
ringotuna
 
I understand your trepidation. You'll probably need that wiggle room later in the discussion when you try to yabbutt your way out of this lesson.
I bet that you had your little shpiel all written up and polished on Word..just waiting for the Tik to take the bait

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Jan 9 2018, 11:04 PM
ringotuna
Jan 9 2018, 02:53 AM
Adolph Hipster
Jan 8 2018, 07:32 PM
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Jan 8 2018, 04:38 PM
nNeo
Jan 8 2018, 11:47 AM

Quoting limited to 5 levels deepbefore Trump took office. I don't expect miracles from Trump, but some of his supporters do, or are crediting him unduly for "turning around" an economy that's actually been on an upward trend for some years.
Well. for the record, no where in my analysis did I credit Trump for "turning around" the economy. It was well on the way to recovery at the end of Obama's administration, and reaching that "critical mass". I made several salient points regarding the transition period between administrations. Credit and blame is difficult to asses during those periods. What I gave Tik was a more objective unbiased, thoughtful and intelligent assessment of the data. One that goes beyond the marginally intellectual bilateral arguments we see here on a daily basis. I showed him how the downward trend was significantly ebbed between 2016 & 17. In a transition year it is foolish to assign credit or blame, which is what tik appears to be doing. I think that was quite sufficient to counter his unstated point which was "nanny nanny boo boo...look how much better Obama did."

Whether he is bright enough to understand it or not?...who knows? :dunno: Given his latest post on this thread and his apparent fear of engaging in an adult conversation here...I seriously doubt it.
Actually, my intent was to show that the economy had been improving during obama's time
You made an ASSumption regarding my intent and rather sneakily tried to draw me into a gotcha trap
LOL ^^^ So predictable.
ringotuna
 
I understand your trepidation. You'll probably need that wiggle room later in the discussion when you try to yabbutt your way out of this lesson.
I bet that you had your little shpiel all written up and polished on Word..just waiting for the Tik to take the bait

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I'm glad you appreciate the time and effort I put in to your lesson enough to make that cute little picture. It shows us your best effort. I know learning can be painful and difficult for someone of your station but believe me. Some day you'll overcome this aversion to learning. You'll be a better person for it and you'll thank me in the long run.

Class dismissed. :biggrin:
Edited by ringotuna, Jan 10 2018, 03:29 AM.
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nNeo

It's cute watching you two argue, even after agreeing on principle. Kind of like an old married couple.
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ringotuna
Jan 8 2018, 04:38 PM
Well. for the record, no where in my analysis did I credit Trump for "turning around" the economy. It was well on the way to recovery at the end of Obama's administration, and reaching that "critical mass". I made several salient points regarding the transition period between administrations.
Right, we all got that. However many of your Republican brethren are less objective. Some are downright fact-challenged. I suspect 'Tik's post was more for them than you.
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Jan 11 2018, 03:02 PM
ringotuna
Jan 8 2018, 04:38 PM
Well. for the record, no where in my analysis did I credit Trump for "turning around" the economy. It was well on the way to recovery at the end of Obama's administration, and reaching that "critical mass". I made several salient points regarding the transition period between administrations.
Right, we all got that. However many of your Republican brethren are less objective. Some are downright fact-challenged. I suspect 'Tik's post was more for them than you.
Tik put his post on a public board. Anyone is free to reply...right? I didn't see a "not for you ringo" notice. :biggrin:
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And we are all richer for your contribution, thanks :)
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Jan 11 2018, 07:11 PM
And we are all richer for your contribution, thanks :)


I know......right? :biggrin:
Edited by ringotuna, Jan 12 2018, 05:36 AM.
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Jan 12 2018, 05:35 AM
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Jan 11 2018, 07:11 PM
And we are all richer for your contribution, thanks :)


I know......right? :biggrin:
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Tik's ego :mad:
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Not at all unlike our current President. :lol: :lol:

And what a sad state when one defines a learning opportunity as a trap.
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I bet that you had your little shpiel all written up and polished on Word..just waiting for the Tik to take the bait
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