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| jake58 | Feb 8 2018, 05:34 PM Post #21 |
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I don't think he reads what anyone else writes or doesn't understand it if he does read it. His responses are usually a series of non sequiturs with little sourcing... fancybear.net??? Really dude? |
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| Siberian | Feb 8 2018, 10:56 PM Post #22 |
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Lol, Jake, do we read the same article (you gave)? - Kamaev planned a book but abandoned it because an "American publisher" had demanded too much influence over its contents - i.e. like in Rodchenkov's case he was demanded to just undersign what the West wants. - Kamaev was exploited by unnamed Americans keen to tarnish Russia's reputation - 15 days before his death he said that he didn't want to write it any more, said that the main theme was being imposed on him. In the end, he sent them away - Kamaev had been sharply critical of the WADA report, saying it was too heavily based on information from athletes who had themselves been found guilty of doping and was biased against Russia. "Some of the issues have a particular acuteness and are, if you like, politicized," he said at the time. Accusations that agents from Russia's FSB security service infiltrated the doping lab for the 2014 Winter Olympics in Sochi were the product of an "inflamed imagination" and better suited to a spy movie, he added. ****** So, I see rather a attempt of Kanaev to be an advocate in his alleged book, to oppose Western campaign, while the Western journalist was demanding him to invent something the West wants, Kanaev refused and abandoned his idea. What makes you think the opposite? The list of "killed Russian journalusts"? - which you convince yourself with? ![]() People tend not to base their opinion in facts, they tend to search for facts to support their already existing beliefs. Jake, find me a single Sunday times article which was not biased on Rissia ![]() You are not adequate, neither in your Russophobia nor in general discussion, you can't even understand your sourse properly. and all people die sooner or later, Putin is responsuble for most of these deaths, of course, but not always.... like - not every US president is imposed by Putin. Not in this century maybe, but - still not every... ![]() Edited by Siberian, Feb 8 2018, 11:03 PM.
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| Siberian | Feb 9 2018, 12:14 AM Post #23 |
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even the most adequate of all opponents of Russia here - Demagogue - also preferred to leave discussion after asked to give a single example of non-biased article on Russia at all. If the whole this forum searches for such articles - you will not find any, at least in mainstream media. Not even unbiased, neutral, you can hardly find a single article being not severely distorting reality and heavilly lying. Give me any - I will explain in details what and how is distorted or lies. Generally - you Americans are living in some virtual reality, heavilly zombied. And you, Jake, tell me how I live here in Russia and what life looks like...? ![]() Recent Russiagate comedy can only happen in your Zombieland... Edited by Siberian, Feb 9 2018, 12:18 AM.
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| Siberian | Feb 9 2018, 12:55 AM Post #24 |
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"On 1 November 2015, Diack and several other top IAAF officials were arrested in France and are being investigated over allegations he took payments for deferring sanctions against Russian drugs cheats.The IOC prov" - Trump is also under investigation for collusion with Russians , I presume political witch hunts are easilly started in the West and another your example does not, or at least may not differ. I can't exclude what is referred to is a real case of doping, but so far chances are bigger it's just French contribution to witch hunt.I will come to your point 2 later, maybe I'll first read McLaren's report to laugh harder. The simple fact is - most Western athletes are doping addicts. IOC does not pay the smallest attention to it, so whatever it wants in its actions is not clean and honest sports. THE END. Any its actions against Russia are not motivated by care to keep the sports clean. And present repressions against clean Russian athletes in Olympic games (and it's proved in the court they are clean) clearly indicates there's a political witch hunt, an equivalent of Russiagate but in sports, another dimension of Western agression against Russia. http://perspectives.com/topic/10418790/1/ Edited by Siberian, Feb 9 2018, 01:01 AM.
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| jake58 | Feb 9 2018, 01:48 AM Post #25 |
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I posted the article, Mr Hawking, you can bet I read it... Who said Kamaev abandoned the book? Who said Kamaev was exploited by Americans? Who said 15 days before his death that Kamaev didn't want to write the book any more? Who said Kamaev was critical of the WADA report? The fact that the Oswald and Schmid Commissions detail FSB participation in the doping would no doubt come as a surprise to the conveniently now dead Kamaev. It's funny that you want to talk about facts and sources when you can actually supply no facts, just conversations with people who claim to know what Kamaev was thinking. Isn't it somewhat unfortunate that because he's dead he can't tell us what he really thinks. Rodchenko can because he got out of Russia before Putin could give him a heart attack. As their deaths were rather sudden, could you direct us to Kamaev's or Sinyev's autopsy? You'd think it would be a little suspicious that 2 RUSADA directors would die so suddenly weeks apart. Sudden death is such an epidemic in the Motherland. It's almost safer knowing the Clintons. I'm not planning on wasting much more time with you. You're a colossal idiot with no idea of what a fact or an actual source is, preferring conversations with people who probably don't want to die the same way Nemtsov, Politkovskaya or Kamaeyev did, and who know what to say when they're asked questions like the ones above. That you swallow the answers whole with absolutely no skepticism just makes you a typical Russian. |
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| jake58 | Feb 9 2018, 01:49 AM Post #26 |
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fancybear.net? Really, dude? |
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| jake58 | Feb 9 2018, 01:54 AM Post #27 |
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Diack was caught taking bribes to look the other way while the Russians cheated. It's not really a complicated case but I'm guessing it didn't make the Russian papers. The wiki article will have sourcing at the bottom so you can look at the original sources for all your 'facts'. I'm guessing you won't be following up on any of that. You'll be posting a lot of emoticons and declaring victory without providing fact 1. |
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| Siberian | Feb 9 2018, 02:19 PM Post #28 |
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Jake, the question if you read the artical was rethoric, it was an irony. I will mark irony next time for your convenuence... ![]() Well, the man you have no reason to mistrust said that Kamaev was exploited and abandoned his idea. While Sunday times (or what is it?) reported that Kamaev was highly critical to WADA and defamation campaign against Russia. I dhare your doubt about the sourse since I have not seen unbiased Western media yet, but it is a quote! So I presume it is correct this time..
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| voted4reagan | Feb 9 2018, 03:18 PM Post #29 |
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In the end... It was proven that the Russians Cheated and cant be trusted not to in the future.. Missing a Winter Games is just what they need... And you can bet your last Ruble that they will be heavily scrutinized for the Summer Games in 2 years.. especially the strength events they seem to always excel in... |
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| jake58 | Feb 9 2018, 03:36 PM Post #30 |
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autopsy report? compliance by Russian athletes to doping control officers and not hiding out in closed cities? some evidence that Kamaeyev was no longer interested in detailing his experiences with Russian doping? No, not a conversation with someone who doesn't want to die. I'm sure everyone finds it interesting that you believe nothing of what Rodichenko says or the paper trail he brought with him which detailed the protocols for doping the thousands of examples he provided but want to rely on some anonymous nobody who can't back up a word he's saying. We're laughing at you, Ivan... well, I am. |
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| Siberian | Feb 9 2018, 04:56 PM Post #31 |
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I was in metro writing the previous post so I continue. Jake, don't pretend to "waste time" , you understand of course that I make you a favour letting you speak on your favourite topic - Russia sucks and Putun kills everybody , take a notice - even letting you not to reply on American legal doping (for a while). And I tolerate your nonsense for a very smal reward of laughing at you.Your Western journalist (having obvious political goal and order) complains on poor English of Kamaev, but you forget about him and more than possible distorton by him of Kamaev's wishes, and question words of his Russian colleague whom he knew for 20 years... Yes, 2 consequitive deaths of these officials are strange, but witch hunt they were a subject of is quite a big reason by itself. Family says producer who killed herself was "collateral damage" in Weinstein scandal https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jill-messick-hollywood-producer-suicide-harvey-weinstein-rose-mcgowan/ is this also Putin? or maybe Clinton? whose buddy Weinstain was?generally, until proven - not guilty. proven - it's like official correspondence of WADA on concealing US athletes' legalized positive doping tests... ![]() Jake, if you are not so funny I might have not engage in educating you.. |
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| Siberian | Feb 12 2018, 01:22 AM Post #32 |
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You can be sure Russia will be scrutinized and boycotted by the West whatever true or false the foping story is - like the West boycotted Olympic games in Miscow in 1980... The doping story is just another tool of pressure, it has nothing to do with sports. A couple of seconds ago I saw Rodchenkov on some American TV channel confessing he not a single time saw the samples of tests being opened. While he claimed it before and it is one of WADA accusations towards Russia. This chizofrenic made a surgery operation to change his appearance - to hide from Putin's assassins - and immediately gives a public interview to an American TV where he can be seen.... ![]() It is going to end with a complete disaster for the West, this mad man Rodchenkov will make something to discredit himself and the whole Western anti-Russia campaign so much, that CIA will either have to kill him or shut him up, or the truth will be restored
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| Drudge X | Feb 12 2018, 02:27 AM Post #33 |
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Siberian is funny. The leak came within Russia but he blames the West for planting the evidence and colluding with the IOC.
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| jake58 | Feb 12 2018, 06:56 AM Post #34 |
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and... nothing... wow, I'm surprised... thousands of data points on Russian athletes doping supplied by Russians is a 'false doping story' Lol... idiot |
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| Siberian | Feb 12 2018, 08:16 AM Post #35 |
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Jake, add another crazy lier to your and Rodchenkov's insanity club ![]() DUTCH MINISTER ADMITS LYING ABOUT MEETING RUSSIAN PRESIDENT PUTIN https://nltimes.nl/2018/02/12/dutch-minister-admits-lying-meeting-russian-president-putin Edited by Siberian, Feb 12 2018, 08:16 AM.
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| jake58 | Feb 12 2018, 08:29 AM Post #36 |
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I'm sure in your mind this has something to do with the Russian doping scandal. Maybe you'll draw the connection for the rest of the class. Or explain how documents with doping details of thousands of Russian athletes over the last 10 years are now available for perusal. |
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| Siberian | Feb 12 2018, 09:22 AM Post #37 |
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Jake, then explain to the class how it happened that most of appeals of Russian athletes against Internatuonal olympic committee which banned them were suported by Court of arbitration for sports? Literally - majority. I.e. in majority if cases the IOC has made a lawless and baseless decision to ban Russian athletes. If majority of IOC claims are false, how can we trust the rest? Or, even more - the general approach and claims? ![]() I know in your paranoid world innocent must prove they are innocent, but keep it for Gulag you live in
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| Siberian | Feb 12 2018, 10:14 AM Post #38 |
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or, Jake, this question deprives me of my sleep... Why Rodchenkov changed his appearance (claiming Putin is going to kill him) and then showed it to the whole World? Since you are of the same mental state with him you may know the answer? ![]() Edited by Siberian, Feb 12 2018, 10:16 AM.
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| jake58 | Feb 12 2018, 12:13 PM Post #39 |
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You mean the CAS that just rejected a whole host of Russian appeals just before the Games? The Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) on Friday dismissed 47 appeals from Russian athletes and coaches to take part in the Pyeongchang Winter Olympics, putting an end to a months-long saga over their Olympic fate. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-olympics-2018-cas-russia/cas-dismisses-47-appeals-from-russian-athletes-coaches-idUSKBN1FT0BE As we saw in Rio there's a lot of politics in play and Russia unfortunately benefitted from that. It was one of the reasons that I posted the Diack article... Russia buys off corrupt members of the IOC, CAS, IAAF, FIFA, etc and cashes in when they really need it. Diack got himself into a position where he and a few carefully chosen cronies/family members were making the decisions on whether Russian athletes would get banned or not and it only cost the Russians a few million, he was the Sam's Club of corrupt officials, should have held out for a lot more. It's interesting that you never bother addressing the argument(doping samples of thousands of Russian athletes provided by multiple Russian whistleblowers) or provide any sourcing for your increasingly inane arguments... you're just off on the next goose chase, now it's why the CAS didn't ban all the Russians and whether Rodichenko actually changed his appearance or not. Go back to fancybear.net |
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| Siberian | Feb 12 2018, 12:52 PM Post #40 |
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Jake, you can never rely on Western press if you want truth. What this rejection refers to - if procedure of inviting Russian athletes was violated. And not if they are clean or not. IOC having used a fabricated McLaren's report based on a mercenary and psychopath Rodchencov words made a lawless decision to freeze Russian olympic committee participation, instead granting itself with the right to invite some Russian athletes, or not to invite, whatever it wishes. And while the court recognized that athletes were clean it also stated that procedure of invitation is not violated and IOC may not invite clean athletes. Of course it is not closing the issue while of course it demonstrates that the courtbis not independent, as IOC itself. Though I don't know if athletes appealed on IIC's decision to nan Russuan olympic committe.. What would you do if I did not participate in this forum to expose Western lie... You could get old and die still being an ignorant American zombie, but now you at least have a chance.. Edited by Siberian, Feb 12 2018, 12:58 PM.
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- which you convince yourself with? 

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